The Futurist Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) It s kinda funny how ultra liberalism leads to the same end goal as communism. Giant entities led by very few people who control the destiny & lives of the majority. They even use the same tools : marketing = propaganda. Isn't it ironic ? I really do think. Edited April 14, 2018 by The Futurist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomCat Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Just now, The Futurist said: It s kinda funny how ultra liberalism leads to the same end goal as comunism. Giant entities lead by very few people who control the destiny of the majority. They even use the same tools : marketing = propaganda. Isn't it ironic ? I really do think. well that's the second in today's round up, and it's only 8am. Off to a great start. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmandeep Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 The issue is making movies people will see is costing a fortune so the market will naturally lead to larger studios. People are not watching mid size movies in theaters anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOGAN'sLuckyRun Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Lordmandeep said: People are not watching mid size movies in theaters anymore. Are you sure, plenty of sub50m films have been doing well Wonder grossed 300m on a 20m budget A Quiet Place is racking up cash Game Night made 100m (GOOD) comedies still do fairly well in the BO There are plenty more that I don't feel like looking up Edited April 14, 2018 by LOGAN'sLuckyRun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmandeep Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, LOGAN'sLuckyRun said: Are you sure, plenty of sub50m films have been doing well Wonder grossed 300m on a 20m budget A Quiet Place is racking up cash Game Night made 100m (GOOD) comedies still do fairly well in the BO There are plenty more that I don't feel like looking up And for every hit there a ton of flops. The issue is these films now cost a ton to make and there is no real aftermarket revenue any more. That is the problem... Edited April 14, 2018 by Lordmandeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOGAN'sLuckyRun Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Lordmandeep said: And for every hit there a ton of flops. The issue is these films now cost a ton to make. Films have been flopping (and have been costing a ton) forever though. That'll never stop. A ton of these flops even back in the day were crazy expensive. Edited April 14, 2018 by LOGAN'sLuckyRun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOGAN'sLuckyRun Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Lordmandeep said: there is no real aftermarket revenue any more. Don't studios still get money from VOD/cable/online services? Edited April 14, 2018 by LOGAN'sLuckyRun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aabattery Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Plus a ton of the things people call flops aren't even flops. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmandeep Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 minute ago, LOGAN'sLuckyRun said: Films have been flopping (and have been costing a ton) forever though. That'll never stop. A ton of these flops even back in the day were crazy expensive. However as I said the after market revenues are way down now. Like I remember a flop movie like the kingdom generated over 75 million in rental revenues back in the days? Now? That is why Disney is going for the big tentpole style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmandeep Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 minute ago, LOGAN'sLuckyRun said: Don't studios still get money from VOD/cable/online services? Not even close to DVD and rental and TV revenues of the past Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Panda Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 11 hours ago, TMP said: I really don't see any benefits in going from a 6-studio concentration to a 5-studio concentration. It's an even tighter Oligopoly structure now, and from a purely economic viewpoint that'll make the barriers to entry for any new studios even higher; and make the current batch of smaller studios like Lionsgate struggle even more. On top of that, this merger's gonna lead to a shit-ton of layoffs due to redundant job positions; and for people like us, a reduction in competition because we'll have less choice in what we can watch, as output of the two companies will be less than the sum of them before the acquisition. Also, the movies we'll get will probably be a lot more homogenous to fit in with Disney's MO of profits-first, so maybe Searchlight will get downsized or reduced; idk. but who gives a shit about that if we've got wolverine in the avengers lol I’m not really in a position to think this deal is great for consumers, but how does it increase barriers to entry for incoming studios? Especially since smaller indie studio flicks is almost an entirely different market than big studio flicks. If anything, this deal seems more of a result of a market that focuses more on fewer but more expensive investments, as streaming has pulled demand from mid budget faire. This would incentivize a market where you have a few big studios making blockbusters and room for smaller studios to produce small, inexpensive indie hits. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOGAN'sLuckyRun Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Lordmandeep said: Not even close to DVD and rental and TV revenues of the past Not gonna say you're wrong but do you have any data? If people aren't watching the films at home via VOD,streaming,cable where are they watching it? Edited April 14, 2018 by LOGAN'sLuckyRun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanic2187 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Critically Acclaimed Panda said: I’m not really in a position to think this deal is great for consumers, but how does it increase barriers to entry for incoming studios? Especially since smaller indie studio flicks is almost an entirely different market than big studio flicks. If anything, this deal seems more of a result of a market that focuses more on fewer but more expensive investments, as streaming has pulled demand from mid budget faire. This would incentivize a market where you have a few big studios making blockbusters and room for smaller studios to produce small, inexpensive indie hits. The success of mid-budget, not action/effect driven film like django unchained, lincoln, the great gatsby, night at the museum, hangover or blind side.....will now becoming less and less frequent... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmandeep Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, LOGAN'sLuckyRun said: Not gonna say you're wrong but do you have any data? I think this shows Disney focus on major blockbuster is the winning strategy. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lists/studio-by-studio-profitability-ranking-disney-surges-sony-sputters-977497/item/walt-disney-studio-profitability-977490 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOGAN'sLuckyRun Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, titanic2187 said: The success of mid-budget, not action/effect driven film like django unchained, lincoln, the great gatsby, night at the museum, hangover or blind side.....will now becoming less and less frequent... Django,Gatsby and NatM cost 100, 190 and 110m. I wouldn't call those "mid budgets" Edited April 14, 2018 by LOGAN'sLuckyRun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmandeep Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, LOGAN'sLuckyRun said: Not gonna say you're wrong but do you have any data? If people aren't watching the films at home via VOD,streaming,cable where are they watching it? Illegally? I think people on here think it's all cam prints but one can go on a android box and watch jumanji in hd quality so easily one can easily forget its illegal. Back in the days I have to rent ot or biy tha DVD. Edited April 14, 2018 by Lordmandeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOGAN'sLuckyRun Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Lordmandeep said: I think this shows Disney focus on major blockbuster is the winning strategy. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lists/studio-by-studio-profitability-ranking-disney-surges-sony-sputters-977497/item/walt-disney-studio-profitability-977490 I'm sorry but this article says nothing about Home Media sales. Which is what I was looking for. You're probably right about the sales not being as high as they used to, though Edited April 14, 2018 by LOGAN'sLuckyRun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmandeep Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, LOGAN'sLuckyRun said: I'm sorry but this article says nothing about Home Media sales. Which is what I was looking for. The article clearly says home video sales are going down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOGAN'sLuckyRun Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Lordmandeep said: The article clearly says home video sales are going down I was looking for actual numbers on VOD though. I'm not talking physical. But I'm searching the Google and they're pretty hard to find. My main argument is that I don't think mid budget films are as doomed as people say they are. Edited April 14, 2018 by LOGAN'sLuckyRun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmandeep Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 minute ago, LOGAN'sLuckyRun said: I was looking for actual numbers on VOD though. But I'm searching the Google and they're pretty hard to find. Use logic A film like TLJ and BP in the past would sell millions of DVDs or even more. Now it is being sold on streaming services that people pay less then 10 bucks a month to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
