Episode IV:A NEW MOUSE | DISNEY | IT IS DONE

[dudalb]

19 minutes ago, Litio said:

 

Did you know at least 5,000 people may be fired if this deal is approved?

 

Disney-Fox Deal: 5,000 To 10,000 Jobs Will Likely Be Shed: Analyst

 

That is sad, but employment in the entertainment industry has always been very unstable,more so then in most industries.

54 minutes ago, Barnack said:

It is a giant American industry and reducing the number of movie could have economic impact, they did it for TV that became massively regulated:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syndication_exclusivity

 

Vertical Integration and Program Access in the Cable Television Industry

https://www.repository.law.indiana.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1084&context=fclj

 

Your are right about the movie making part too, but there is a reason many of the piece that Fox didn't include in the deal was not included in the deal, too make it easier on the competition law front.

 

Justice Department Challenges AT&T/DirecTV’s Acquisition of Time Warner:

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-challenges-attdirectv-s-acquisition-time-warner

According to the complaint, which was filed in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia, the combined company would use its control over Time Warner’s valuable and highly popular networks to hinder its rivals by forcing them to pay hundreds of millions of dollars more per year for the right to distribute those networks.

 

Movies Studio became extremely regulated in 1948 ending the golden age and making possible independent movie (and weakened the government censorship of movies at the same time):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Paramount_Pictures,_Inc.

 

Making a lot of movies is one thing and it does not necessarily matter, but because they are also owning the mean of distributing such movie and having the gatekeeper power of privileging their own movies they make on those massive distribution channel they will own, they will gain the power to reduce the competition by making it harder for other movie producer to reach an audience.

It's  the issues of distribution and access to markets that arouse the interest of those who enforce the Anti Trust Laws.

The question is will the Disney Streaming Service be able to keep other Streaming services from being set up?

Apparently not;if the other Streaming services fail because they could not offer as popular a product as the Disney Service that is not a anti trust issue.

Edited April 13, 2018 by dudalb

[Walt Disney]

8 hours ago, TMP said:

@Walt Disney You endorse this sale??

Absolutely. From Disney's perspective, it will greatly help them next decade. From my personal perspective, it's going to make things a lot more exciting from a box office perspective.

[YM!]

5 minutes ago, Walt Disney said:

Absolutely. From Disney's perspective, it will greatly help them next decade. From my personal perspective, it's going to make things a lot more exciting from a box office perspective.

So in other you think a monopoly is good? Along with less diversity?

[IronJimbo]

Just now, YourMother the Edgelord said:

So in other you think a monopoly is good? Along with less diversity?

I monolopy is good if it's I who reaps the benefits!

[That One Girl]

7 minutes ago, Walt Disney said:

Absolutely. From Disney's perspective, it will greatly help them next decade. From my personal perspective, it's going to make things a lot more exciting from a box office perspective.

 

clicked show post for you because I was bored and nopeeee not doing that again

[manny1234]

After the Deal gets approved I think this is the last acquisition Disney will ever do, and they will def not buy another studio after that. 

[Walt Disney]

58 minutes ago, Barnack said:

 

 

Making a lot of movies is one thing and it does not necessarily matter, but because they are also owning the mean of distributing such movie and having the gatekeeper power of privileging their own movies they make on those massive distribution channel they will own, they will gain the power to reduce the competition by making it harder for other movie producer to reach an audience.

I have a problem with this whole line of thinking. There is no law that a movie studio has to distribute their movies to a streaming service rather than distributing their own movies themselves. There is no requirement that Disney must go through Netflix.

 

If the Disney-Fox merger goes through (which it will, for reasons that have already been explained in this thread previously), the number of major movie studios will go from 6 to 5. However, the number of successful streaming services will increase by 1. So instead of just Netflix dominating the market, there will be competition. This merger isn't about the movie studio as much as it is about the film library and the intellectual property.

[DMan7]

2 minutes ago, manny1234 said:

After the Deal gets approved I think this is the last acquisition Disney will ever do, and they will def not buy another studio after that. 

This is incredibly naive to think that. In the future Disney is going to own the world!

[Barnack]

5 minutes ago, Walt Disney said:

I have a problem with this whole line of thinking. There is no law that a movie studio has to distribute their movies to a streaming service rather than distributing their own movies themselves. There is no requirement that Disney must go through Netflix.

 

Obviously not, but there is often law that would say you cannot only show Disney stuff on your Disney channel that were made in the pass. From what I understand it is not being force to distribute what you do or something, it is closing bandwidth to other producer because of vertical integration that tend to be problematic.

 

There is a tendency to want to kept the broadcast (would be phone line, Internet line, railroad, water pipe) system independent of the content creator and remove the power of the bandwidth owner to choose winner&looser in exchange of money. 

 

Amazon owning kindle device or Apple making Ipod and being the only one selling music on them via Itunes were really close call for example and that why Microsoft that was owning the platform at the time had to separate is office product from that company or even is Internet browser.

 

If Netflix one day become an 80% market owner of what content enter in people home and only show Netflix made show, that the type of thing that could be made illegal by the state.

 

5 minutes ago, Walt Disney said:

This merger isn't about the movie studio as much as it is about the film library and the intellectual property.

A lot of that money paid is for Century Fox world distribution of content infrastructure power also.

Edited April 13, 2018 by Barnack

[Walt Disney]

7 minutes ago, YourMother the Edgelord said:

So in other you think a monopoly is good? Along with less diversity?

It isn't a monopoly, so we don't have to address your first question.

 

As to your second question, there isn't less diversity. You gain a huge competitor in the streaming market (the real reason for the deal) and other studios have more release dates because Disney doesn't release many movies each year and now the Fox film slate will be reduced.

 

[filmlover]

2 hours ago, DAR said:

What if it's general ambivalence?  Asking for a friend.

Same. I'm disappointed this is looking to happen but there's nothing I or any of us can do about it.

[Ledmonkey96]

8 minutes ago, manny1234 said:

After the Deal gets approved I think this is the last acquisition Disney will ever do, and they will def not buy another studio after that. 

They probably won't purchase another studio for a good long while, unless they feel like getting into the horror market which would be odd for Disney. I can totally see them buying companies to augment other sections of their portfolio though, things related to theme parks/toys/games that is.

[meriodejaneiro]

9 minutes ago, manny1234 said:

After the Deal gets approved I think this is the last acquisition Disney will ever do, and they will def not buy another studio after that. 

 

6 minutes ago, DMan7 said:

This is incredibly naive to think that. In the future Disney is going to own the world!

In fact in the future Disney will own YOU. 

[Walt Disney]

1 minute ago, Barnack said:

Obviously not, but there is often law that would say you cannot only show Disney stuff on your Disney channel that were made in the pass.

 

There is a tendency to want to kept the broadcast (would be phone line, Internet line, railroad, water pipe) system independent of the content creator and remove the power of the bandwidth owner to choose winner&looser in exchange of money. 

 

Amazon owning kindle device or Apple making Ipod and being the only one selling music on them via Itunes were really close call for example and that why Microsoft that was owning the platform at the time had to separate is office product from that company or even is Internet browser.

 

If Netflix one day become an 80% market owner of what content enter in people home and only show Netflix made show, that the type of thing that could be made illegal by the state.

 

A lot of that money paid is for Century Fox world distribution of content infrastructure power also.

Yes, if you're talking about Sky, etc. But, expanding internationally where you are weak is smart business sense. It isn't a monopoly at all. We see corporations do it all the time, like a Japanese electronics company buying a movie studio.

[Walt Disney]

36 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

you would look to bot users for legal help?

In specific areas of the law, it wouldn't be a bad idea for people to look to me for legal help.

[manny1234]

2 hours ago, Firepower said:

Because of anti-monopoly law, Disney-Fox merge is an obvious monopoly. The government should stop this deal, but they likely won't because they are corrupted.

 

[That One Girl]

I dislike Disney.

[Barnack]

28 minutes ago, Walt Disney said:

Yes, if you're talking about Sky, etc. But, expanding internationally where you are weak is smart business sense. It isn't a monopoly at all. We see corporations do it all the time, like a Japanese electronics company buying a movie studio.

Corporation that are not studio buying a movie studio does not change much if anything in term of competition.

 

Not only Sky, fox star is a giant distributor of content but also movie distribution, if you look at about any movie distribution you will almost always see many studio being involved playing nice to each other, 

 

If you look at Moana:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=disney1116.htm

 

Universal/Paramount distributed in Turkey and many market were not Disney release, look at the list of distributor:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3521164/companycredits

 

 

Look at Pacific rim 2:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=pacificrim2.htm

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2557478/companycredits

 

Universal did some of it, Universal/paramount (UPI) did a lot of it, but also Sony and they had many local guy getting involved also.

 

if you reduce the number of distributor at one point it can change the kind of deal someone making movie has with them, specially if the distributor is own by a company that is actually making movies and will privilege them and has less and less the need to play nice with other to distribute their products in some market in exchange that one day they will do the same for theirs.

Edited April 13, 2018 by Barnack

[AJG]

24 minutes ago, YourMother the Edgelord said:

So in other you think a monopoly is good? Along with less diversity?

 

How do so many people not know what a monopoly is?

[Litio]

15 minutes ago, Chewy said:

 

Yes I did! Please consider whether a post is farcical next time

You did and you don't care because the important thing is to have X-men at Marvel Studios, right?

 

10 minutes ago, dudalb said:

That is sad, but employment in the entertainment industry has always been very unstable,more so then in most industries.

Yes, but 5,000 job opportunities will be extinguished in the short term after possible approval. With Disney retaining the rights of the big Fox franchises, milking them and making abusive contracts like they did with Jedi, there will be a limitation on the market after that and rival studios will be harmed, the cuts may be long term.