West Side Story | 10 DEC 2021 | RIP Stephen Sondheim | Comes to Disney+ March 2nd

[AJG]

5 minutes ago, lorddemaxus said:

The remake of WSS looks a 100x better on IMAX than the 8th Spider-man movie tho.

 

Nobody cares. 

 

Nothing about the dramatic flops of the past year did anything that could convince audiences to leave their house and see it on a big screen. 

People will watch those movies, it's just time to realise there's movies you go out for and movies you watch at home.

 

The theatrical release for these films will soon be like a money-earning commercial for the eventual streaming release. WSS Disney+ launch will be huge 

 

Edited December 21, 2021 by AJG

[lorddemaxus]

1 minute ago, AJG said:

 

Nobody cares. 

 

Nothing about the dramatic flops of the past year did anything that could convince audiences to leave their house and see it on a big screen. 

People will watch those movies, it's just time to realise there's movies you go out for and movies you watch at home.

 

 

Yeah, those people are dumb.

[AJG]

1 minute ago, lorddemaxus said:

Yeah, those people are dumb.

 

Why? For not going out of their way to watch easily digestible drama's from mega corporations that cost tens of millions of dollars to produce?

 

These are not avant-garde experimental movies that are flopping. Frankly, I wouldn't say they're necessarily intelligent movies. They're just not action heavy franchise films. 

[lorddemaxus]

3 minutes ago, AJG said:

These are not avant-garde experimental movies that are flopping.

Exactly, that's why it's even more baffling. It's not even a film like this is free of spectacle.

[Cap]

As someone's who true passions are basically musicals and the MCU (Let's go, Kevin.  Disco Dazzler Musical!! Make it Happen!), I really can not stress enough that this was a movie that basically no one wanted.  And Spider-Man had nothing to do with that.  

 

There wasn't a great demand for remake. Most of the response I saw on the Internet and in heard in real was "Why?" It's not like the property -- between the original film, multiple cast recordings available, multiple Broadway revivals (last one was **2020**) -- isn't super accessible to those looking for it.  Between that, Ansel, COVID, and older women not running to the theater, the writing was on the wall months ago.  Even in a perfect scenario, I think it would've had trouble getting to 100M.

 

Now all of that said -- if Wicked bombs, then yeah.  Musicals are dead.  But I would not write off the genre based on this.

 

 

[lorddemaxus]

The point of marketing is to give people a reason to watch a movie. If people are ready to eat-up 100 Spider-man movies, don't see why no one would be interested in one new adaptation of a classic.

 

And c'mon, we just had a shot-for-shot remake of The Lion King two years ago make almost two billion dollars. An updated, more relevant version of WSS that looks as wonderful as this does would've made money even a couple years ago.

[AJG]

17 minutes ago, Cap said:

As someone's who true passions are basically musicals and the MCU (Let's go, Kevin.  Disco Dazzler Musical!! Make it Happen!), I really can not stress enough that this was a movie that basically no one wanted.  And Spider-Man had nothing to do with that.  

 

There wasn't a great demand for remake. Most of the response I saw on the Internet and in heard in real was "Why?" It's not like the property -- between the original film, multiple cast recordings available, multiple Broadway revivals (last one was **2020**) -- isn't super accessible to those looking for it.  Between that, Ansel, COVID, and older women not running to the theater, the writing was on the wall months ago.  Even in a perfect scenario, I think it would've had trouble getting to 100M.

 

Now all of that said -- if Wicked bombs, then yeah.  Musicals are dead.  But I would not write off the genre based on this.

 

 

 

People will be way more likely to go out for a Wicked movie than WSS remake. I think it could do quite well.

[Lucas]

Don't know how it was for you guys, but there was absolutely zero marketing for this here. Not a single poster anywhere to let people know this was coming out. And so, no one knew, and now that they're finding out and want to see it - they can't because it's already going out of theaters. There wasn't even an attempt to let this have a fair shot.

Edited December 21, 2021 by Lucas

[TheDude391]

50 minutes ago, Cap said:

Disco Dazzler Musical!! Make it Happen!

I've wanted this so bad ever since I heard about the one in the 80s that almost got made. Was supposed to have Cher, Donna Summers, Kiss, Robin Williams and Spiderman? Sounded wild.

[AniNate]

I will say that audiences are probably not in the mood for sad, culturally indicting endings right now.

Edited December 21, 2021 by AniNate

[Orestes]

1 hour ago, Cap said:

Now all of that said -- if Wicked bombs, then yeah.  Musicals are dead.  But I would not write off the genre based on this.

 

 

If Wicked does end up disappointing, I'd say it's more because the movie should've come out like 10 years ago. Don't know why they've been dragging their feet for a decade+, but hopefully it doesn't hurt the film.

[Orestes]

22 minutes ago, AniNate said:

I will say that audiences are probably not buying sad, culturally indicting endings right now.

I think a medieval-era movie that had the fun and energy (and color) of The Adventures of Robin Hood would do much better than po-faced misery porn like The Last Duel. Escapism and fun do better when things are bad (like during the era of Screwball comedies and swashbucklers) than navel gazing stuff like that.

[Jonwo]

I wouldn't say musicals are a dead genre as The Greatest Showman, La La Land plus various Disney live action remakes have proven this wrong but studios probably need to be a bit more selective in picking titles with potential. I'd really love a Miss Saigon movie due to the scale it would require. 

[AniNate]

I'm glad Spielberg got this out and that he had another project lined up before it was released at any rate.

[Cap]

20 minutes ago, Orestes said:

I think a medieval-era movie that had the fun and energy (and color) of The Adventures of Robin Hood would do much better than po-faced misery porn like The Last Duel.

I feel like people were overestimating how much woman wanted to come out and watch a 2.5 hour movie about rape. That just feels like something I want to watch at my house, where I can control the setting and how I watch it. 🤷‍♀️

[Jonwo]

19 minutes ago, AniNate said:

I'm glad Spielberg got this out and that he had another project lined up before it was released at any rate.

Spielberg can do whatever he likes, he's made so much money for the various studios that WSS not doing well won't change that.

[lorddemaxus]

2 hours ago, Cap said:

I feel like people were overestimating how much woman wanted to come out and watch a 2.5 hour movie about rape. That just feels like something I want to watch at my house, where I can control the setting and how I watch it. 🤷‍♀️

I dont think it wouldve been hard to imagine that The Last Duel wouldve made more than something like The Counselor though. The Last Duel is still far more accessible than that and yet it only made about half of it. Just a couple years ago we had a Ben Affleck starring, Fox October release that was just as dour as this make almost $400 mil.

[TalismanRing]

15 minutes ago, lorddemaxus said:

I dont think it wouldve been hard to imagine that The Last Duel wouldve made more than something like The Counselor though. The Last Duel is still far more accessible than that and yet it only made about half of it. Just a couple years ago we had a Ben Affleck starring, Fox October release that was just as dour as this make almost $400 mil.

 

Gone Girl was 7 years ago and based of a big airport/beach read best seller with a great meaty twisty role for Rosamund Pike as a non victim/villain.

 

Affleck's The Way Back  at the start of Covid in March 2020 did $13.6m.  His Live by Night in 2016 made $10m

 

Edited December 21, 2021 by TalismanRing

[lorddemaxus]

10 minutes ago, TalismanRing said:

 

Gone Girl was 7 years ago and based of a big airport/beach read best seller with a great meaty twisty role for Rosamund Pike as a non victim/villain.

 

Affleck's The Way Back  at the start of Covid in March 2020 did $13.6m.  His Live by Night in 2016 made $10m

 

The Way Back and especially Live By Night didnt get the acclaim or awards buzz The Last Duel did though. Both were Q1 dumps. The former wouldve still made double The Last Duel if theaters didnt close right in the middle of its run.

[TalismanRing]

1 hour ago, lorddemaxus said:

The Way Back and especially Live By Night didnt get the acclaim or awards buzz The Last Duel did though. Both were Q1 dumps. The former wouldve still made double The Last Duel if theaters didnt close right in the middle of its run.

 

The Way Back opened to $8m.  It might have lost $10m more but not much more.

 

Live By Night got a huge ($40m+ spend on TV according to iSpot.tv) marketing push by WB since Affleck was their golden boy.  It was released in late December as an awards contender.  Reviews weren't good and it bombed.