filmlover Posted September 2, 2019 Author Share Posted September 2, 2019 If Phoenix wins I guess we can officially dub The Joker as an Oscar-caliber role for actors now (I'd say "and none for Jared Leto bye" but then being a then-recent Oscar winner was likely the only reason he was casted in Suicide Squad in the first place, doubt he would've been on their radar for the part otherwise). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Gittes Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 The Oscars: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valonqar Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 56 minutes ago, filmlover said: If Phoenix wins I guess we can officially dub The Joker as an Oscar-caliber role for actors now (I'd say "and none for Jared Leto bye" but then being a then-recent Oscar winner was likely the only reason he was casted in Suicide Squad in the first place, doubt he would've been on their radar for the part otherwise). That tends to happen when you are Inferior Jared. if he was a talent like Superior Jared (Harris) he would have been nominated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolioD1 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 1. Joaquin Phoenix 2. Adam Driver 3. Jonathan Pryce 4. Leonardo DiCaprio 5. Antonio Banderas this feels right for now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valonqar Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Agreed. the onslaught of new festival movies didn't convince me that reviews are there to change the status quo. MBJ is praised for Just Mercy but the movie itself is apparently quite pedestrian which is what one could expect from a courtroom drama. Some of Knives Out cast are getting praise but no one is getting award nomination suggestions and they all seem supporting anyway (I don't think either will break into that field). David Copperfield, lol. Waves is the strongest of the bunch but they are also supporting material (with the chance to break into the field). Ad Astra is dead as far as lead going. Ford vs Ferrari has to decide who goes lead first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolioD1 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 other ones to consider i think matthew rhys seems to be getting praise or Neighborhood (since apparently he's the lead and tom hanks is supporting) which i'd love to see but he might get overshadowed by the mr rogers of it all. and there's still De niro in the irishman, but i wonder how much that's gonna be seen as "typical deniro" (he wasn't nominated for goodfellas or casino for example) and i also think the deaging thing might effect the reaction to his performance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valonqar Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) I thought that the word on The Irishman is that it's really Peschi who stands out? Edited September 8, 2019 by Valonqar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmasterclay Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 My list is exactly the same as Coolio's right now, but in terms of people in the conversation, Eddie Murphy is getting real plaudits for Dolemite. Netflix has alot to promote on their hands, but they'll probably push him for Actor just as hard as Pryce. Also, Sandler, McKellan, Kayuula, Jackman as additional people not mentioned who also could be in the competition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMP Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 On 7/26/2019 at 10:19 PM, TMP said: Adam Driver (Marriage Story) DiCaprio Jokin Phoenix Banderas De Niro if Irishman comes out. I still have faith in De Niro, so I'm keeping it the same. Think the Joaq is gonna win it though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valonqar Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Netflix is not going to have more than 2 actors in Actor line up. So among Driver, Pryce, DeNiro and Murphy someone's gonna fall off. They are not going to give all 4 the same priority and end up with no one. Take your pick, folks. I think that Phoenix should win and will win. That way, they give the movie a major award without getting backlash (even Joker haters don't hate on Phoenix since he's one of true greats). I honestly don't see a path for anyone else to win. Banderas has comeback narrative that, frankly, half a dozen actors have it this year (Zelly, JLo, Murphy, Sandler, I know I'm forgetting someone). Driver has a show-stopper scene and emotional role but he is a co-lead with Scarlett so that puts less spotlight on him than on a sole lead like Joker. DeNiro and Leo already have Oscars so no urgency to award them plus their co-stars are praised perhaps even more. Jordan is young like Driver, so due for Actor nom but not necessarily win. Etc. prove me wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Gittes Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 24 minutes ago, Valonqar said: I think that Phoenix should win Sure, don't let not having seen him or any other contenders except one stop you. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezen Baklattan Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 As someone who has seen Knives Out... *mild spoiler* I can legitimately Craig going for supporting instead. His role isn't quite as big as the trailers make it seem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aabattery Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr Pastaffelees said: As someone who has seen Knives Out... *mild spoiler* Reveal hidden contents I can legitimately Craig going for supporting instead. His role isn't quite as big as the trailers make it seem. Spoiler Vengeance for the Logan Lucky snub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CloneWars Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Very early indicators have Phoenix winning. It's going to be a hard path for anyone else. But, there's still a long way to go before the awards, but right now, the way things are looking, Phoenix has this in the bag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valonqar Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 4 hours ago, CloneWars said: Very early indicators have Phoenix winning. It's going to be a hard path for anyone else. But, there's still a long way to go before the awards, but right now, the way things are looking, Phoenix has this in the bag. Not really. His uphill battle is genre and fictional character in a category that has overwhelming preference for biopics. So I could see a threat from Hanks who seems to be going Lead even though some early murmurs put him in Supporting. Whether an actor already has an Oscar (recent or long time ago) or not, doesn't mean shit. Look at Waltz and Ali with their wins in the same category just few years apart. And Hanks is the granddaddy of multi-wins. I want Phoenix to win but I'm vary of Hanks threat because that's what I'm reading could happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmasterclay Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 Tom Hanks is not the lead of that movie. It's been said for months and the reviews confirm it. He's a supporting actor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel M Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 After Joker got that surprising win at Venice it's Joaquin's to lose. He is just so respected in the industry and would have already won if he hadn't gone off the rails with the mockumentary stuff and was in more mainstream movies during the last 15 years. I also don't think genre bias will be much of an obstacle here. Academy and their precursors have been flirting with comic book movies for a few years now (Wonder Woman, Logan, Deadpool, BP) and all those movies were considered part of big franchises and released outside of oscar season. Joker is a mid-budget fall release with a big festival win, it's R rated, it survived the critics and is gonna be killing it at the box office around the time oscar talk kicks into high gear. Even if the movie ends up just a marginal BP nominee with no other above the line noms besides Actor like Bohemian Rapsody did, I think Joaquin is still winning. The only think that doesn't work in his favour is that someone else already won for that role not too long ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valonqar Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 I think that Ledger win is the least of obstacles or no obstacle at all because nobody is making a comparison. It's accepted that those are 2 brilliant takes and it helps that Phoenix is playing Arthur becoming the Joker rather than fully fledged Joker like Ledger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmlover Posted September 12, 2019 Author Share Posted September 12, 2019 27 minutes ago, Joel M said: The only think that doesn't work in his favour is that someone else already won for that role not too long ago. Agreed with this. Ledger still would've easily won if he were alive, especially in retrospect looking at who his competition was. Honestly think it's gonna end up between Driver and Phoenix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CloneWars Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 On 9/12/2019 at 8:14 AM, filmlover said: Agreed with this. Ledger still would've easily won if he were alive, especially in retrospect looking at who his competition was. Honestly think it's gonna end up between Driver and Phoenix. I'm not sure if Ledger would have won or would have even gotten nominated if he hadn't died. TDK is the film that changed the Academy, especially the backlash from the lack of BP nom. While Ledger's performance was great and worthy of the win, to the best of my knowledge no one in a CB movie ever got an acting nomination before. I do think though, Ledger winning has paved way the way for BP getting the nom last year and Phoenix having a very strong chance of winning actor this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
