Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom | December 22, 2023 | David Leslie Johnson-McGoldrick (co-writer of first film) returns

[Mad Max007]

MCU made sequels look easy, but the drop from WW to WW84 in quality was huge. The case is same or even worse with Aquabro 2.

[TigerPaw]

19 minutes ago, Mad Max007 said:

MCU made sequels look easy, but the drop from WW to WW84 in quality was huge. The case is same or even worse with Aquabro 2.

The Marvels? Iron Man 2? Avengers: Age of Ultron?

i don't think MCU made sequels look easy..

[Mad Max007]

6 minutes ago, TigerPaw said:

The Marvels? Iron Man 2? Avengers: Age of Ultron?

i don't think MCU made sequels look easy..

They all got better reviews than Aquabro 2 and WW84. Iron Man 2 still made $623M way back in 2010, which is dream for DCEU movies even now. Age of Ultron would've been the highest grossing DCEU movie too with its $1.4B gross.

[TigerPaw]

48 minutes ago, Mad Max007 said:

They all got better reviews than Aquabro 2 and WW84. Iron Man 2 still made $623M way back in 2010, which is dream for DCEU movies even now. Age of Ultron would've been the highest grossing DCEU movie too with its $1.4B gross.

Hem; not the Marvel vs DC thread - but Wonder Woman 1984 was a day and date release, so not apples-to-apples. Plus MCU films are known to have higher RT scores even if the film quality is actually not great - like the Marvels, Thor 4 or Dr Strange 2.

 

Superhero movie landscape is very different then compared to now; superhero fatigue is real and can be seen in 2023. Aquaman is the last film of a dead universe; no1 should care for it while The Marvels is one of the key connecting films to an existing universe; with "Marvel"(s) literally in the title. I think both did badly so why piss on one? 

 

Both sides have made bad sequels.. Dr Strange MoM is good? lol.

Edited December 23, 2023 by TigerPaw

[belblazer]

1 hour ago, Mad Max007 said:

MCU made sequels look easy, but the drop from WW to WW84 in quality was huge. The case is same or even worse with Aquabro 2.

 

43 minutes ago, Mad Max007 said:

They all got better reviews than Aquabro 2 and WW84. Iron Man 2 still made $623M way back in 2010, which is dream for DCEU movies even now. Age of Ultron would've been the highest grossing DCEU movie too with its $1.4B gross.

The Suicide Squad is better than all these movies from both sides... and Marvels did not have better reviews than WW84.

[ZeeSoh]

Moderation:

 

Customary reminder to not let discussions veer into Fanboy war territory and derail the thread, which we are very close to doing right now. So please lets not delve into MCU vs DCEU stuff, Thanks

[Arlborn]

This was so much fun, if you enjoyed the first one, you should enjoy this one as well, same vibes, just bromance instead of romance!

 

 I guess its only sin is being a CBM in 2023.

[dallas]

Aquaman Verified RT is slowly increasing. Currently at 79%. I think this gets a B Cinemascore rather than a B-

[Porthos]

13 hours ago, Macleod said:

SS somehow...OK, I'll give you that...I still can't explain the success of that one!  

 

I can explain that one, at least the initial success.

 

Suicide Squad had some killer marketing in its lead-up.  The toxic/extremely messed-up version of the Joker was attracting a lot of attention and buzz pre-release. I would even go as far as to say it struck a chord with a part of the DC base (more on this below).

 

Plus there was a real genuine interest in seeing Harley Quinn on screen and while probably verging on wish-casting, seeing a Harlequin/Joker "romance" story unfold.  Or at least folks looking forward to Harlequin and the Joker interacting on the silver screen.

Add in edge lords really going to bat for this take on the Joker as well as a great song for much of the TV marketing and "live vicariously through Bad Boys Doing Bad Things" and we get the OW we got.

 

As for its actual run?  Well, 2.4x domestically isn't really saying much one way or the other.  Wasn't violently rejected like BvS or JL.  But wasn't taken to like other CBM films, either.  But I do think it partially tapped into a mood of the GA/struck a cultural chord that Joker would fully tap into three years later. "Partially" because the take on the Joker was a little (okay, a lot) too edgy and anarchist that bordered too closely to a horror villain than a CBM one.   Joker would thread that needle to a much better degree and reap the success.

 

(that the Joker was only in Suicide Squad for all of what... ten minutes?... might also explain how it was viewed in its immediate aftermath)

((not that screen time is everything — FUN FACT: Darth Vader is only in the OG SW for nine minutes or so! — but given how prevalent the Joker was in the marketing, not being in the film as much as people thought probably mattered more than a little))

[HummingLemon496]

B on CS

 

 

 

Edited December 23, 2023 by HummingLemon496

[dallas]

$120M DOM (assuming $30M 3-day holds)

$180M OS

$50M China

 

$350M WW total

 

Very optimistic prediction, I know. Probably won't turn out this way, but what's the harm in dreaming a bit?

[PrinceRico]

11 minutes ago, HummingLemon496 said:

B on CS

 

 

 

Kiss those legs goodbye. Same score as The Flash and BVS

[HummingLemon496]

Just now, PrinceRico said:

Kiss those legs goodbye. Same score as The Flash and BVS

Will probably be ~4x purely based on calendar configuration 

[dallas]

1 minute ago, PrinceRico said:

Kiss those legs goodbye. Same score as The Flash and BVS

Holiday legs my guy. Will probably land a 4x multiplier with a B. Hell, it probably would've done it with a B-

[titanic2187]

1 minute ago, dallas said:

Holiday legs my guy. Will probably land a 4x multiplier with a B. Hell, it probably would've done it with a B-

B make sense after DHD highlighted that 5 stars from parents. 

[dallas]

1 minute ago, titanic2187 said:

B make sense after DHD highlighted that 5 stars from parents. 

Yep. If parents and their kids are happy, then this movie will have an audience. 4x legs are very likely. 

[Super]

16 minutes ago, dallas said:

$120M DOM (assuming $30M 3-day holds)

$180M OS

$50M China

 

$350M WW total

 

Very optimistic prediction, I know. Probably won't turn out this way, but what's the harm in dreaming a bit?

You always sound like you want to be optimistic but doubt yourself… don’t.

 

And I’m gonna say higher. $35M OW (3 day) + 5x multiplier. Now that’s optimistic. Overseas number? Idk but this thing is crossing $400M WW. Call me crazy. 

[JustLurking]

Just now, Super said:

You always sound like you want to be optimistic but doubt yourself… don’t.

 

And I’m gonna say higher. $35M OW (3 day) + 5x multiplier. Now that’s optimistic. Overseas number? Idk but this thing is crossing $400M WW. Call me crazy. 

It physically can't really have a 35M OW.

[titanic2187]

Can somebody explain what is BOM doing? They added some unknown sources of random grosses from Universal titles. 

 

1	1	Wonka	$4,201,613	-4.2%	-	4,203	$999	$57,502,717	7	Warner Bros.
2	-	The Big Lebowski	$1,266,945	-	-	-	-	$18,718,818	9,422	Gramercy Pictures (I)
3	-	Back to the Future	$1,240,710	-	-	-	-	$211,850,472	14,051	Universal Pictures
4	2	The Boy and the Heron	$896,111	-16.1%	-8.5%	2,325	$385	$27,427,256	14	GKIDS
5	-	The Grinch	$857,560	-	-	110	$7,796	$271,478,510	1,869	Universal Pictures
6	3	Godzilla Minus One	$710,989	-16.5%	-4.9%	2,622	$271	$37,617,817	21	-
7	-	Jaws 2022 Re-release	$708,515	-	-	702	$1,009	$5,809,280	476	Universal Pictures
8	-	How the Grinch Stole Christmas	$700,795	-	-	172	$4,074	$260,745,620	8,435	Universal Pictures
9	4	Trolls Band Together	$586,280	-14.8%	+50.6%	3,157	$185	$91,148,760	35	Universal Pictures
10	-	Minions: The Rise of Gru	$575,555	-	-	-	-	$370,270,765	539	Universal Pictures
11	-	Scarface	$558,600	-	-	-	-	$45,227,398	14,623	Universal Pictures
12	-	Puss in Boots: The Last Wish	$555,190	-	-	117	$4,745	$186,090,535	366	Universal Pictures
13	5	Wish	$498,594	-14.2%	+37.3%	3,100	$160	$56,343,918	30	Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures
14	-	They Live	$439,050	-	-	-	-	$13,447,978	12,831	Universal Pictures
15	-	Cocaine Bear	$281,730	-	-	106	$2,657	$64,670,240	301	Universal Pictures
16	-	American Graffiti 2023 Re-release (50th Anniversary)	$265,985	-	-	-	-	$115,557,835	117	Fathom Events
17	6	Napoleon	$245,166	-36.4%	-32.8%	2,601	$94	$58,430,761	30	Columbia Pictures
18	-	The Land Before Time	$243,445	-	-	-	-	$48,336,291	12,817	Universal Pictures
19	-	The Secret Life of Pets	$239,530	-	-	107	$2,238	$368,623,860	2,723	Universal Pictures
20	-	The Thing	$227,705	-	-	-	-	$19,857,465	15,155	Universal Pictures
21	-	The Bad Guys	$225,610	-	-	128	$1,762	$97,459,240	609	Universal Pictures
22	-	E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial 2022 Re-release	$203,865	-	-	94	$2,168	$2,234,590	497	Universal Pictures
23	-	Shrek 2	$200,560	-	-	-	-	$441,426,807	7,156	DreamWorks Distribution
24	-	Shrek	$186,820	-	-	159	$1,174	$267,851,831	8,255	DreamWorks Distribution
25	7	Renaissance: A Film by Beyoncé	$182,948	-28.5%	-49.2%	1,723	$106	$31,677,704	21	-
26	-	Fast X	$165,355	-	-	172	$961	$146,126,015	217	Universal Pictures
27	-	Mamma Mia!	$160,905	-	-	-	-	$144,290,968	5,635	Universal Pictures
28	-	Dazed and Confused	$151,735	-	-	-	-	$8,144,774	11,046	Gramercy Pictures (I)
29	-	Trolls	$149,025	-	-	21	$7,096	$153,856,089	2,604	Twentieth Century Fox
30	-	Renfield	$145,270	-	-	105	$1,383	$17,297,895	252	Universal Pictures
31	9	Poor Things	$140,299	-25.4%	+177.2%	82	$1,710	$2,940,219	14	Searchlight Pictures
32	-	The Mummy	$130,650	-	-	-	-	$155,516,138	8,995	Universal Pictures
33	-	Despicable Me	$125,830	-	-	137	$918	$251,639,815	4,914	Universal Pictures
34	-	Champions	$125,425	-	-	87	$1,441	$16,397,335	287	Focus Features
35	-	The Lorax	$121,050	-	-	167	$724	$214,151,550	4,312	Universal Pictures
36	-	M3GAN	$115,655	-	-	148	$781	$95,159,005	350	Universal Pictures
37	-	Casper	$111,355	-	-	-	-	$100,439,549	10,437	Universal Pictures
38	-	Scott Pilgrim vs. the World 10th Anniversary (2021 Re-release)	$110,210	-	-	-	-	$1,867,625	966	Universal Pictures
39	10	Saltburn	$109,327	-37.7%	-42%	476	$229	$10,805,346	35	Warner Bros.
40	-	The Secret Life of Pets 2	$105,855	-	-	-	-	$158,980,250	1,659	Universal Pictures
41	11	Waitress: The Musical	$74,368	-57.4%	+483.3%	1,117	$66	$5,402,148	15	Bleecker Street Media
42	14	The Holdovers	$61,535	-23.2%	-23.3%	587	$104	$17,491,345	56	Focus Features

[dallas]

Just now, Super said:

You always sound like you want to be optimistic but doubt yourself… don’t.

 

And I’m gonna say higher. $35M OW (3 day) + 5x multiplier. Now that’s optimistic. Overseas number? Idk but this thing is crossing $400M WW. Call me crazy. 

Yeah, well that's what you get by being a DC fan lol. You try to have hope, but more times than not you're let down. It sucks, but I've come to terms with it.

 

As for your prediction, I would say there is a non-zero chance of that happening. It'd be poetic for the highest grossing DCEU movie since Aquaman to be its sequel. And if it does do $175M domestic as you say, the 40/60 split w/o China the first had would put the OS number at $262.5M. Add China's $50M and you get a total of $487.5M. Not likely, but it's a fun guess.