Weekend Thread: Actuals - Mal2 $19.4M | Joker $19.2M | Adam's Family 12M | Zombieland $11.8M | Countdown $8.9M | Black & Blue $8.4M

[Jonwo]

1 hour ago, ThomasNicole said:

You're just being absurd now, Variety also say it need something in the 400's to break even.

 

OUATIH needs $ 400M to break even because of the deals with the cast and the director himself, not because of the budget, it's a completely different situation.

 

It's not a flop, far from it, and you don't need to like the movie to admit that. From your POV even the first Maleficent barely break even, it doesn't make sense.

I would guess Sony sees OUATIH as a prestige piece where they got Tarantino, they'll make the money back and then some once other revenue streams are included. 

 

It's a similar situation to Bond, Sony made very little profit from it because most of the money went to EON and MGM but it's more a status thing. 

[keysersoze123]

I could see both Mal 2 and Joker finish ahead of estimates. Evening will slow down quiet a bit but even with that Sunday looks good for increase with actuals.

[MrGlass2]

1 hour ago, ThomasNicole said:

You're just being absurd now, Variety also say it need something in the 400's to break even.

 

OUATIH needs $ 400M to break even because of the deals with the cast and the director himself, not because of the budget, it's a completely different situation.

And Jolie is not getting a gigantic paycheck for MAL2, after the success of the first one - a sequel that needs her?

[Darth Lehnsherr]

Joker is the most surprising $1 Billion (assuming it gets there) film since maybe Zootopia? 

Edited October 27, 2019 by Darth Lehnsherr

[Royce]

If Joker does it, there will be 9 billion grossers in this year (Frozen 2, TROS included)

 

Insane!!!

[Cappoedameron]

 

 

SOMEBODY GET THESE ASSHOLES AWAY FROM STAR WARS! This panel left me furious, they have no idea what they're doing and even admitted that. What a disaster.

[narniadis]

32 minutes ago, MrGlass2 said:

And Jolie is not getting a gigantic paycheck for MAL2, after the success of the first one - a sequel that needs her?

It was part of the 185 reported budget?? Quit being thick headed as if some are ignoring things to make one seem better. Disney is a rare player in backend deals such as the type that skews the profit line. If Jolie is pulling a bunch of money post her paycheck its been completely left out of reporting / discussion behind the scenes. ALL of which is again showing your willingness to extend a bias instead of dealing with factual data and information.  

Doesnt change the film from being an under performer but again, its not a flop. 

[Legion Again]

14 minutes ago, Royce said:

If Joker does it, there will be 9 billion grossers in this year (Frozen 2, TROS included)

 

Insane!!!

Just need Jumanji to go wild for the real fun.

[narniadis]

37 minutes ago, keysersoze123 said:

I could see both Mal 2 and Joker finish ahead of estimates. Evening will slow down quiet a bit but even with that Sunday looks good for increase with actuals.

Thanks for sharing. The new ability you have brought to the discussion table is great! 

[MrGlass2]

2 minutes ago, narniadis said:

It was part of the 185 reported budget?? Quit being thick headed as if some are ignoring things to make one seem better. Disney is a rare player in backend deals such as the type that skews the profit line. If Jolie is pulling a bunch of money post her paycheck its been completely left out of reporting / discussion behind the scenes. ALL of which is again showing your willingness to extend a bias instead of dealing with factual data and information.  

Doesnt change the film from being an under performer but again, its not a flop. 

Where did I say it was a flop? Talk about "factual data and information", can't even follow the argument.

[MrGlass2]

1 hour ago, ThomasNicole said:

It’s not, 1/3 Of Genysis OS come from China.

 

I don’t know why you keep ignoring this but anyway.

It would be a significant difference if MAL2 was strong domestically. But it's not: the money is coming from countries like Italy instead of China - the rate of return isn't all that different; it would be if it was from North America. $110M DOM on a $185M budget isn't good at all and it would need a lot more overseas to be considered a success.

Edited October 27, 2019 by MrGlass2

[narniadis]

Didnt say you did. Its a clarification of my statement directed at the readers. 

 

That being said, your comparison with Genisys can point in that direction but you didnt verbatim say it. 

 

Try again. 

[TalismanRing]

12 minutes ago, MrGlass2 said:

It would be a significant difference if MAL2 was strong domestically. But it's not: the money is coming from countries like Italy instead of China - the rate of return isn't all that different; it would be if it was from North America. $110M DOM on a $185M budget isn't good at all and it would need a lot more overseas to be considered a success.

China's rate of return is 23% and it has no ancillary market to speak of when it comes to TV and Home Media.
 

It's significantly different.

[Legion Again]

OS--C's 40% is roughly double the 21% recieved from China. It's a more significant difference than dom vs OS-C.

[MrGlass2]

11 minutes ago, TalismanRing said:

China's rate of return is 23% and it has no ancillary market to speak of when it comes to TV and Home Media.
 

It's significantly different.

Not sure if Italian DVD sales will convince Disney to fund a MAL3...

 

Also, it isn't like MAL2 didn't get released in China, ~60M of that OS will indeed come from China compared to $110M for Genysis.

[TalismanRing]

4 minutes ago, MrGlass2 said:

Not sure if Italian DVD sales will convince Disney to fund a MAL3...

 

Also, it isn't like MAL2 didn't get released in China, ~60M of that OS will indeed come from China compared to $110M for Genysis.

What a solid argument .... if all of Mal2's OS grosses are Italy and China.  

 

I doubt Disney will green-light Mal3 b/c it's a diminishing  franchise.  That doesn't mean this installment won't be profitable.

 

[cdsacken]

40 minutes ago, MrGlass2 said:

It would be a significant difference if MAL2 was strong domestically. But it's not: the money is coming from countries like Italy instead of China - the rate of return isn't all that different; it would be if it was from North America. $110M DOM on a $185M budget isn't good at all and it would need a lot more overseas to be considered a success.

Overseas pays 40%. China pays like 21% net. Horrible rate of return.

[MrGlass2]

1 minute ago, cdsacken said:

Overseas pays 40%. China pays like 21% net. Horrible rate of return.

The real rate of return, including marketing and distribution. Studios spend very little in China so it evens out with most foreign countries.

[cdsacken]

16 minutes ago, MrGlass2 said:

The real rate of return, including marketing and distribution. Studios spend very little in China so it evens out with most foreign countries.

No it actually doesn't.

[xiazhi]

 

1 hour ago, narniadis said:

It was part of the 185 reported budget?? Quit being thick headed as if some are ignoring things to make one seem better. Disney is a rare player in backend deals such as the type that skews the profit line. If Jolie is pulling a bunch of money post her paycheck its been completely left out of reporting / discussion behind the scenes. ALL of which is again showing your willingness to extend a bias instead of dealing with factual data and information.  

Doesnt change the film from being an under performer but again, its not a flop. 

if it loses money, it's definitely a flop