Weekend Thread: Actuals - Mal2 $19.4M | Joker $19.2M | Adam's Family 12M | Zombieland $11.8M | Countdown $8.9M | Black & Blue $8.4M

[Johnny Tran]

This new box office mojo layout is horrible.  Looks like a 14-year old designed it.  

[Marcos12]

1 hour ago, reddevil19 said:

To be fair, its European performance is out of this world - hell, it's WB's top movie in numerous markets. It just clicked unlike other superhero movies, and it could be that WW won't do as well in those main European countries. 

WW84 doesn't need to be strong like Joker OS-China to have a good chance of crossing $1 bi, Joker will do something around $675m-$700m OS-China, that's $130m-$170m + bigger than other recent big (and 1 $bi WW) solo movies like Aquaman, Black, Panther, Captain Marvel and Spider-Man: Far from Home, $450m OS-China is enough for WW84 to reach 1 bi, WW is Stronger than Joker Domestically and has China.

Edited October 27, 2019 by Marcos12

[sfran43]

 

[sfran43]

8 minutes ago, Johnny Tran said:

This new box office mojo layout is horrible.  Looks like a 14-year old designed it.  

I hate it so much!!😫

[titanic2187]

3 minutes ago, sfran43 said:

 

Very rare you will see Japan ranked so high for a SH film, higher than Brazil!!

[ThomasNicole]

16 minutes ago, VENOM said:

Advertising would be at least 150+ so it needs to make north of 750 to break even. Don’t use deadline as a barometer for what a movie needs to make. They still think the 90 million Once a upon a time needs to make 400 million to break even  

You're just being absurd now, Variety also say it need something in the 400's to break even.

 

OUATIH needs $ 400M to break even because of the deals with the cast and the director himself, not because of the budget, it's a completely different situation.

 

It's not a flop, far from it, and you don't need to like the movie to admit that. From your POV even the first Maleficent barely break even, it doesn't make sense.

[VENOM]

16 minutes ago, a2k said:

sorry but absurd. not every penny comes theatrically. for tentpoles with huge prod budgets, and prod budgets which are bigger than marketing spend, recovering the prod budget theatrically is almost always enough to break-even and make a profit.

It’s not making a profit with production and marketing unless it goes over 700. Domestic is where it could make most of its money and it flopped. 

[reddevil19]

3 minutes ago, titanic2187 said:

Very rare you will see Japan ranked so high for a SH film, higher than Brazil!!

The way it's holding there, passing Mexico as the second biggest international market is quite likely.

[DAJK]

51 minutes ago, MrGlass2 said:

It is similar to Terminator: Genisys, with bigger budget and DOM. People had no problem calling that one a "flop".

I may be wrong, but didn't Genesys get a lot of its WW money from China? Maleficent not-so much. 

[RJ 95]

11 minutes ago, titanic2187 said:

Very rare you will see Japan ranked so high for a SH film, higher than Brazil!!

I will say with Mexico declining rapidly, it's almost lock that it will pass Mexico as 2nd biggest market for Joker. It will get 10-12m more. Also next weekend hold will be <20% because Monday holiday. 

At the end of it's run, in highest to lowest order for top 10 probably 

UK, Japan, Mexico, France, SK, Brazil, Germany, Italy, Spain, and Russia

Edited October 27, 2019 by RJ 95

[DAJK]

God I really want to watch Joker again at this point. Experience it from the lens of "this movie has taken the world by storm" idk if other people ever feel that way. They watch a movie when it first comes out and just experience it as a 'movie' with no idea of the impact it will have. Then they watch it a month or two later knowing the impact it had and they see it almost in a whole different way. 

[MCKillswitch123]

Joker is an absolute monster. Will it hit 1B?

 

Also, @CJohn, DID YOU SEE ITS THIRD WEEKEND HOLD OVER HERE? It made like 300K more than Endgame's 3rd weekend. It might push EG to #3 for the year behind it and The Lion King and EG made 3.6 fucking million. This year has been absolute batshit insane over here.

[CJohn]

6 minutes ago, MCKillswitch123 said:

Joker is an absolute monster. Will it hit 1B?

 

Also, @CJohn, DID YOU SEE ITS THIRD WEEKEND HOLD OVER HERE? It made like 300K more than Endgame's 3rd weekend. It might push EG to #3 for the year behind it and The Lion King and EG made 3.6 fucking million. This year has been absolute batshit insane over here.

Joker will push Endgame to 3rd here for the year. It is a monster. An absolute dominant phenom. It should be 1st over the long weekend of November 1st.

Edited October 27, 2019 by CJohn

[MrGlass2]

1 hour ago, ThomasNicole said:

This comparisson doesn't make sense

How does it not make sense, MAL2 costs at least $30M more than Genysis. Not sure how Deadline got that $400M number to break even on a $185M budget with low domestic share (far below budget), if that is true then Genysis was a hit.

[ThomasNicole]

6 minutes ago, MrGlass2 said:

How does it not make sense, MAL2 costs at least $30M more than Genysis. Not sure how Deadline got that $400M number to break even on a $185M budget with low domestic share (far below budget), if that is true then Genysis was a hit.

It’s not, 1/3 Of Genysis OS come from China.

 

I don’t know why you keep ignoring this but anyway.

 

 

[narniadis]

The overuse and abuse of the word flop is back on the scene I see.... some of yall really put your "box office creds" on hold since basic mathematics is not your ability. 

 

Mal 2 will be fine, Genisys was meh as a performer due to the high % that came from China on top of the rest of the normal expenses. Disney spent a ton of money on Mal2 and will barely if even cross the profit line from theatrical. It did not have a huge marketing outlay in comparison to some films and as others have attempted to point out, a traditional back end deal ala Time in Hollywood makes a huge difference in what the profit line is. 

 

Finally, how can most of yall on both sides of the argument forget that films rarely make actual profits from the theatrical? The collapse of the home media market was part of the shift in budgets and backend deals the past decade as the profit line keeps moving out. There is a reason that most limited films dont extend to wide release as the costs versus intake dont compare unless the Oscars are involved. 

[keysersoze123]

1 hour ago, ThomasNicole said:

It costs $ 185M and apparently have a very low marketing campaign, it only need $ 400M to break even according to deadline, it won't loss anything with +500M

 

 

I doubt deadline is accurate. No way a big budget movie has that low a marketing budget. Deadline puts article based on the spin it wants.

That said calling the movie a flop is ridiculous as well as most movies make money post theatrical release. With streaming, tv, cable and some HV revenue it will be profitable.

[cdsacken]

I'm on the 1 billion dollar train. Jesus can you imagine. 1st billion dollar rated r film.

Jeez that's nuts.

Edited October 27, 2019 by cdsacken

[cdsacken]

37 minutes ago, MrGlass2 said:

How does it not make sense, MAL2 costs at least $30M more than Genysis. Not sure how Deadline got that $400M number to break even on a $185M budget with low domestic share (far below budget), if that is true then Genysis was a hit.

China pays nothing. USA pays 50%, ex China 40%. China is like 21 or something ridiculous after fees.

[Firepower]

6 minutes ago, cdsacken said:

I'm on the 1 billion dollar train. Jesus can you imagine. 1st billion dollar rated r film.

Jeez that's nuts.

Also over The Dark Knight worldwide. Even crazier.