Joker: Folie a Deux | October 4, 2024 | Lady Gaga is Harley Quinn in this 200M+ musical sequel

[filmlover]

3 minutes ago, vale9001 said:

Phoenix won't be nominated at the Oscars.  Critics are like "good but does the same thing". They're not gonna nominate a copy of something already awarded.

 

Gaga is helped by being supporting. Some are writing the movie doesn't give her that much of a spotlight, i'm not reading particular things about her but still coud have chances especially if the movie is a success anyways. We need to see how the award season evolves and if there are names still not in the spotlight will emerge. 

I don't see her (or the movie overall, really) happening whatsoever with awards with the reception this is looking to have and Dune: Part 2 clearly being WB's #1 push now. Maybe Golden Globes will bite, but that's it.

[YM!]

6 minutes ago, CoolioD1 said:

Quick someone post a banger so my post doesn't show up in the "popular posts" section anymore.

[cinema pal]

5 minutes ago, TheDarkKnightOfSteel said:

Scott Menzel with a rave. IDK how to feel about this lol. 

Well how do you feel about 9.5 for Flash and 9 for Ghostbusters Frozen empire from him?))

[vale9001]

3 minutes ago, filmlover said:

I don't see her (or the movie overall, really) happening whatsoever with awards with the reception this is looking to have and Dune: Part 2 clearly being WB's #1 push now. Maybe Golden Globes will bite, but that's it.

 

yeah  in general it needeed to be really something new and expectional to get award attention (like Godfather 2 to Godfather or Top Gun 2 to top Gun? But it's an expection. More often you get things like Black Panther or Avatar when the first movie takes a lot of attention and the sequel a lot less. Always thought the first movie is  too recent and this looked too similar to be something for the Oscars again.

 

But Gaga it's the new thing in the movie so still could get chances, depends on how the category evolves. Academy loves musical performers anyways. Right now it's not like a panned disaster. 

Edited September 4 by vale9001

[Cap]

As a fan of musicals, I really hate this. Because nothing makes people hate musicals more than bad musicals. You had one job. If you weren’t committed to doing it right, then like why even do it in the first place?

[MysteryMovieMogul]

Reviews a full month out?

 

That's just dumb.

[filmlover]

Just now, MysteryMovieMogul said:

Reviews a full month out?

 

That's just dumb.

There are no embargoes at the film festivals.

[Noctis]

Not enjoying the idea that Gaga is potentially wasted.

[TomThomas]

So with the first one they complained it's too dangerous and not original enough. Now they complain it's not dangerous enough and too different from the first one. People are never happy about anything. Phillips should've just ignored all that noise, but maybe he took it too close to the heart.

[vale9001]

Just now, MysteryMovieMogul said:

Reviews a full month out?

 

That's just dumb.

 

it's at venice IN COMPETITION. Remember this, it's not like indiana jones or dune out of competition.

 

They know the movie is gonna be a success anyways so even if they expect average reviews and not a complete acclaim still being on venice in competition is very important and prestigious for a studio like Warner Bros. No one says no to that. It happens maybe once every 2 decade for these big studios. 

[Noctis]

Honestly, I have yet to see it, but the fact that they had to include musical pieces annoys me. Unnecessary. But maybe I'm jumping the gun. 

[AniNate]

5 minutes ago, vale9001 said:

They know the movie is gonna be a success anyways so even if they expect average reviews and not a complete acclaim still being on venice in competition is very important and prestigious for a studio like Warner Bros. No one says no to that. It happens maybe once every 2 decade for these big studios. 

 

It really isn't that important for a big studio like Warner. They've honestly been shooting themselves in the foot quite a bit with their festival submissions this year. Horizon 1 and this movie would've been much better off holding their first critic screenings to the week of like most movies do. If you're a big studio with a lot of money on the line, you need to be damn sure you have the goods with your tentpole if you're gonna let word spread so early. This may still turn a profit, but fanboy cope aside a weak reception this far out is inevitably gonna dampen buzz. They're gonna have to sit on that Tomatometer for the next month.

 

 

Edited September 4 by AniNate

[vale9001]

3 minutes ago, AniNate said:

 

It really isn't that important for a big studio like Warner. They've honestly been shooting themselves in the foot quite a bit with their festival submissions this year. Horizon 1 and this movie would've been much better off holding their first critic screenings to the week of like most movies do. If you're a big studio with a lot of money on the line, you need to be damn sure you have the goods with your tentpole if you're gonna let word spread so early. This may still turn a profit, but a weak reception this far out is inevitably gonna dampen buzz. They're gonna have to sit on that Tomatometer for the next month.

 

 

no for a studio is very prestigious to make a movie can win the golden lion at Venice or Cannes or any other award.

 

And please this is gonna open with the same numbers you could expect before today, like average reviews didn't do nothing wrong for Deadpool.

It's not like the movie is The crow level panned, reviews are average like for the first movie.

 

It's all about the legs and that doesn't depend on Venice reviews anyways.

Edited September 4 by vale9001

[toutvabien]

Damn, guess the first Joker was quite well liked out of Venice! I still remember it had very polarizing reviews out of the American festivals... wasn't it rotten at some point?? Anyway, it ended up with a polarizing reception and this one seems to have that right out of Venice... so far not much to indicate how audiences will receive it. Interesting how many consider it much better and many much worse! Still think it can't lose enough steam to miss a sizeable opening, so there's that. Legs are a different conversation, but it was always gonna play like a much more frontloaded sequel.

[MysteryMovieMogul]

5 minutes ago, vale9001 said:

 

it's at venice IN COMPETITION. Remember this, it's not like indiana jones or dune out of competition.

 

They know the movie is gonna be a success anyways so even if they expect average reviews and not a complete acclaim still being on venice in competition is very important and prestigious for a studio like Warner Bros. No one says no to that. It happens maybe once every 2 decade for these big studios. 

These are reviews for a film in competition?!? It's even worse than I initially thought.

 

Not only is this film going to leave Venice with nothing, but now the marketing bump of people talking about the film due to reviews (good and bad) is also gone!

 

I don't know how anyone can argue that this film being in competition at Venice is better, actually than Elemental or Indiana Jones or Dune at film festivals, allowing reviews to be published far too early for the general public.

[Goldbricker]

RT Update after 28 reviews:

 

15 Fresh

13 Rotten

54%

 

The biggest difference as compared to the first one is, Joker has an average rating of 7.3/10. Based on the current reviews, this one seems to be quite lower than that.

 

Edited September 4 by Goldbricker

[filmlover]

I'm mostly curious what Todd Phillips will make next since whatever ambitions he had to become a prestige filmmaker seem like a dead end. Are he and BCoop (following a number of unrealized Oscar attempts of his own) desperate enough to make a Hangover legacy sequel?

[AniNate]

3 minutes ago, vale9001 said:

 

 

no for a studio is very prestigious to make a movie can win the golden lion at Venice or Cannes or any other award.

 

And please this is gonna open with the same numbers you could expect before today, like average reviews didn't do nothing wrong for Deadpool.

It's not like the movie is The crow level panned, reviews are average like for the first movie.

 

It's all about the legs and that doesn't depend on Venice reviews anyways.

 

Disney learned this last year with Elemental and Indy 5. Both got weak Cannes receptions which dampened opening weekend interest for both movies. They wisely have been skipping the festival circuits this year, and their tentpoles have all been performing about as well as they could have, even if Inside Out 2 at least probably wouldn't have been hurt much by a festival screening.

[MrPink]

3 minutes ago, filmlover said:

I'm mostly curious what Todd Phillips will make next since whatever ambitions he had to become a prestige filmmaker seem like a dead end. Are he and BCoop (following a number of unrealized Oscar attempts of his own) desperate enough to make a Hangover legacy sequel?

 

Hangover Part II will remain Phillips' best sequel, no further comments or questions please

[MysteryMovieMogul]

1 minute ago, AniNate said:

 

Disney learned this last year with Elemental and Indy 5. Both got weak Cannes receptions which dampened opening weekend interest for both movies. They wisely have been skipping the festival circuits this year, and their tentpoles have all been performing about as well as they could have, even if Inside Out 2 at least probably wouldn't have been hurt much by a festival screening.

I don't think the receptions at Cannes were what hurt the film.

 

What hurt both films more was that these reviews were already published, so when both films came out, they couldn't get a free marketing pump from ending the review embargo, ensuring the films trend on social media with all the reviews being dropped at once.