The Marvels | November 10, 2023 | Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter

[SpiderByte]

6 minutes ago, Kon said:

 

Variety stuff only happened, because they also noticed The Marvels didn't have interest from the audience. They wouldn't make that if they don't notice the lower state of the MCU brand.

 

I've understand MCU fans want to blame the negativity around The Marvels, but the lack of interest on The Marvels existed from the beginning. 

Oh come on. The press aren't covering Flower Moon and Napoleons bombs anything like they are The Marvels. They know they get more clicks from negative coverage of Marvel stuff because they've ridden the "(Director name) SLAMS Marvel as ruining cinema!" train for five years. There was more negativity in the six months leading up to The Marvels than any MCU release ever.

Edited December 4, 2023 by SpiderByte

[Kon]

11 minutes ago, SpiderByte said:

Oh come on. The press aren't covering Flower Moon and Napoleons bombs anything like they are The Marvels. They know they get more clicks from negative coverage of Marvel stuff because they've ridden the "(Director name) SLAMS Marvel as ruining cinema!" train for five years. There was more negativity in the six months leading up to The Marvels than any MCU release ever.

 

The press would get more click for attacking The Marvels than Flower Moon or Napoleon, that's definitely the reason why they focus on The Marvels over the other two.

 

However, the press wouldn't attack The Marvels if the movie has a lot of interest from the audience or the MCU was a really strong brand. As you said, there wasn't this negativity from the past with previous MCU movies (they didn't attack Captain Marvel movie)

 

You could say the press are vultures, they wouldn't attack a MCU movie if the brand was strong and stable.

Edited December 4, 2023 by Kon

[TheDude391]

13 minutes ago, SpiderByte said:

Oh come on. The press aren't covering Flower Moon and Napoleons bombs anything like they are The Marvels. They know they get more clicks from negative coverage of Marvel stuff because they've ridden the "(Director name) SLAMS Marvel as ruining cinema!" train for five years. There was more negativity in the six months leading up to The Marvels than any MCU release ever.

Ignoring the decade prior to this "5 years of slamming" where this franchise was treated with kiddie gloves and praised to the high heavens. Audience sentiment negative and its dropping, the framing surrounding this one is different now. If the MCU had a flop of this magnitude say in phase 2/3, the coverage would be far different bc goodwill was still there.

[SpiderByte]

14 minutes ago, Kon said:

 

The press would get more click for attacking The Marvels than Flower Moon or Napoleon, that's definitely the reason why they focus on The Marvels over the other two.

 

However, the press wouldn't attack The Marvels if the movie has a lot of interest from the audience or the MCU was a really strong brand. As you said, there wasn't this negativity from the past with previous MCU movies (they didn't attack Captain Marvel movie)

 

You could say the press are vultures, they wouldn't attack a MCU movie if the brand was strong and stable.

But it's negative because of how it's been covered! That's why they can have a critical and ratings hit with Loki and it gets totally ignored because it doesn't fit the narrative

 

Even now we have people saying "even if people enjoy Deadpool 3 it still doesn't count because reasons" before even a trailer. 

Edited December 4, 2023 by SpiderByte

[Kon]

13 minutes ago, SpiderByte said:

But it's negative because of how it's been covered! That's why they can have a critical and ratings hit with Loki and it gets totally ignored because it doesn't fit the narrative.

Loki is a critical success, but I'm not sure the numbers are so good. I mean, we don't heard Disney celebrating the numbers of the last episodes.

 

Anyway, the press focus on the negative, but they don't create the negative situation (as I said, they didn't attack MCU movies before). The press noticed the MCU brand popularity is falling and the lack of interest on The Marvels, so they will definitely take advantage of that, but they didn't create this situation.

 

 

PS: I'm pretty sure the press made something similar with the DCEU when the brand popularity was falling.

Edited December 4, 2023 by Kon

[MysteryMovieMogul]

34 minutes ago, SpiderByte said:

Oh come on. The press aren't covering Flower Moon and Napoleons bombs anything like they are The Marvels. They know they get more clicks from negative coverage of Marvel stuff because they've ridden the "(Director name) SLAMS Marvel as ruining cinema!" train for five years. There was more negativity in the six months leading up to The Marvels than any MCU release ever.

I mean, neither are any of the weekend threads on this forum. Napoleon's terrible second weekend is a footnote, but we still have to talk about The Marvels on every single page of the past month of weekend threads. Try to focus on Napoleon or Flower Moon, and it just get exhausting reading replies.

[SpiderByte]

10 minutes ago, Kon said:

Loki is a critical success, but I'm not sure the numbers are so good. I mean, we don't heard Disney celebrating the numbers of the last episodes.

Nielsens, no, because those always lag behind a few weeks, but Disneys numbers for it actually have Lokis finale above the season premiere. And even though they talk about it like a series finale now, that was absolutely not the case leading up to it, nobody thought it could be a finale till the episode released, so it wasn't because of that either, it was the strength of the show itself.

Edited December 4, 2023 by SpiderByte

[Zak]

Epics like Killers of the Flower Moon and Napoleon bomb all the time. Even before COVID films like that were a hard sell. Why would them bombing be as big news as the most successful franchise ever having a sequel drop 900M from its predecessor? Scorsese has never been a box office titan so who cares? Ridley Scott has been hit or miss his entire career so Napoleon bombing is not that sexy of a story. Marvel having their most unambiguous bomb since 2008 is a massively interesting news story and it is a massively more interesting story than those other two bombs.

[Sckathian]

Why are people shocked or upset that the press are reporting on a mega bomb from the highest grossing franchise of all time? Of course thats getting more attention than artistic projects Apple paid too much for.

 

Just be glad MCU is not in such a state its no longer getting headlines.

[ListenHunnyUrOver]

 

18:10 unbelievable

[Ozymandias]

18 hours ago, HummingLemon496 said:

Lmao they just gave up. There's no topping this. 

 

???

 

Looooooooooool

 

14 hours ago, poweranimals said:

Why would the fuck would they do that? Especially with it being so close to $200M?

 

I believe its called copium

[SpiderByte]

6 hours ago, Zak said:

Epics like Killers of the Flower Moon and Napoleon bomb all the time. Even before COVID films like that were a hard sell. Why would them bombing be as big news as the most successful franchise ever having a sequel drop 900M from its predecessor? Scorsese has never been a box office titan so who cares? Ridley Scott has been hit or miss his entire career so Napoleon bombing is not that sexy of a story. Marvel having their most unambiguous bomb since 2008 is a massively interesting news story and it is a massively more interesting story than those other two bombs.

So you agree that it's a double standard because of who the director is, a thing Ive been saying this entire time that everyone's claiming isn't true?

Edited December 4, 2023 by SpiderByte

[JustLurking]

[ChipDerby]

1 hour ago, JustLurking said:

 

Yeah I don't know how @SpiderByte does it. Arguing with people who can't see beyond their own nose.

[Kon]

17 minutes ago, ChipDerby said:

 

Yeah I don't know how @SpiderByte does it. Arguing with people who can't see beyond their own nose.

 

To be fair, people on forums tend to think that people who have an opinion contrary to their own cannot see beyond their own nose.

 

That seems a pretty human behavior.

Edited December 4, 2023 by Kon

[MysteryMovieMogul]

9 hours ago, Zak said:

Epics like Killers of the Flower Moon and Napoleon bomb all the time. Even before COVID films like that were a hard sell. Why would them bombing be as big news as the most successful franchise ever having a sequel drop 900M from its predecessor? Scorsese has never been a box office titan so who cares? Ridley Scott has been hit or miss his entire career so Napoleon bombing is not that sexy of a story. Marvel having their most unambiguous bomb since 2008 is a massively interesting news story and it is a massively more interesting story than those other two bombs.

 

6 hours ago, Sckathian said:

Why are people shocked or upset that the press are reporting on a mega bomb from the highest grossing franchise of all time? Of course thats getting more attention than artistic projects Apple paid too much for.

 

Just be glad MCU is not in such a state its no longer getting headlines.

As I said, @SpiderByte, it just gets exhausting reading replies.

Edited December 4, 2023 by MysteryMovieMogul

[John Marston]

1 hour ago, ChipDerby said:

 

Yeah I don't know how @SpiderByte does it. Arguing with people who can't see beyond their own nose.

 

I mean there is nothing really to argue about. The Marvels is the biggest box office disaster of all time and has received terrible WOM

[judestar619]

On 12/4/2023 at 2:32 PM, SpiderByte said:

So you agree that it's a double standard because of who the director is, a thing Ive been saying this entire time that everyone's claiming isn't true?

It's the Apple grey area of not knowing how much they expected to make giving two veteran directors such abnormally large budgets. It's not a double standard if the context of the release is completely different.

[Becker]

On 12/3/2023 at 5:36 PM, SpiderByte said:

Oh come on. The press aren't covering Flower Moon and Napoleons bombs anything like they are The Marvels. They know they get more clicks from negative coverage of Marvel stuff because they've ridden the "(Director name) SLAMS Marvel as ruining cinema!" train for five years. There was more negativity in the six months leading up to The Marvels than any MCU release ever.

To be fair to Napoleon, It was a movie, created/produced by the British, about a Great French Leader/Conqueror. Plus The Marvels is a sequel to a superhero movie that grossed over $1 billion. One of the prestigous 53 movies. 

[Zak]

On 12/4/2023 at 12:50 PM, John Marston said:

 

I mean there is nothing really to argue about. The Marvels is the biggest box office disaster of all time and has received terrible WOM

There really isn't anything to argue about. The Marvels had a chance to not be a hit but save a little face and it didn't. I still see fans on social media claiming that The Marvels word of mouth is great and yet every metric says that it is bad. Not mediocre but outright bad. No other film has broken out this Holiday season, if The Marvels word of mouth was great that would have effected the box office positively. I'm sorry but if word of mouth was great the film would be ending with 400+M not 215M.