THE UNMARVELOUS WEEKEND THREAD | FEATURING MELTDOWNS, ARMCHAIR ANALYSIS, AND SEXISM

[Zakiyyah6]

Indiana Jones was a bigger bomb than MI7. That is a fact. 

[LonePirate]

3 hours ago, grim22 said:

There's a feeling of no one knowing where anything is going in the MCU.

Why do these movies need to go anywhere? This sounds like a fan expectation or desire to recreate the magic in a bottle of the MCU between 2008-2019. Perhaps these movies should be allowed to exist on their own without any connection to anything. The MCU doesn’t need some overarching purpose. They are not the cinematic equivalent of a philosophical sojourn.

Edited November 11, 2023 by LonePirate

[Jonwo]

5 minutes ago, Krissykins said:

Indiana Jones and Mission Impossible were two of the biggest bombs of the year btw. 
 

Just to clear that up lol. Both losing over $100m+ for their studios. 

Mission Impossible is getting another film so it's not like the franchise is over. 

[abracadabra1998]

Just now, LonePirate said:

Why do these movies need to go anywhere? This sounds like a fan expectation or desire to recreate the magic in a bottle if the MCU between 2008-2019. Perhaps these movies should be allowed to exist on their own without any connection to anything. The MCU doesn’t need some overarching purpose. They are not the cinematic equivalent of a  philosophical sojourn.

*Insert “THANK YOU” Michael Scott gif*
 

Just stop viewing movies as vehicles for the next big thing and instead make a film that stands and can be appreciated on its own. So disappointing to see how audiences approach modern blockbusters these days

[Squire]

13 minutes ago, MysteryMovieMogul said:

Dang, people triggered over me saying MI7 and Indy are comparable in popularity domestically.

 

Next thing you know, people will try and say Killers of the Flower Moon was a box office success story!

You need to learn how to read. You criticized me for saying MI7 did better WW than Indy, which MI7 did. I never claimed it was more popular domestically. Just look at Indy 4 — it made more domestically than any MI film ever has. 
 

In sum, don’t be so obtuse. Lol

Edited November 11, 2023 by Squire

[grim22]

3 minutes ago, LonePirate said:

Why do these movies need to go anywhere? This sounds like a fan expectation or desire to recreate the magic in a bottle of the MCU between 2008-2019. Perhaps these movies should be allowed to exist on their own without any connection to anything. The MCU doesn’t need some overarching purpose. They are not the cinematic equivalent of a philosophical sojourn.

 

1 minute ago, abracadabra1998 said:

*Insert “THANK YOU” Michael Scott gif*
 

Just stop viewing movies as vehicles for the next big thing and instead make a film that stands and can be appreciated on its own. So disappointing to see how audiences approach modern blockbusters these days

For that to be the case, Marvel needs to stop with the post credits scenes explicitly setting up future strands. You can't both tease out storylines and then say that audiences shouldn't expect them to continue and lead somewhere. Just make a good standalone without the post credits, or make the post credits the type that don't need to be continued like Guardians 3.

[ringedmortality]

Marvel just needs to cancel everything, reboot everything, and only have stand alone films from now on

[emoviefan]

5 minutes ago, Jonwo said:

Mission Impossible is getting another film so it's not like the franchise is over. 

This.

[MysteryMovieMogul]

7 minutes ago, Squire said:

You need to learn how to read. You criticized me for saying MI7 did better WW than Indy, which MI7 did. I never claimed it was more popular domestically. Just look at Indy 4 — it made more domestically than any MI film ever has. 
 

In sum, don’t be so obtuse. Lol

I wasn't criticizing you in particular, I just found it funny how many folks jumped to defend MI7. At the end of the day, you're right, MI7 did better Worldwide.

 

They both did terribly, though, especially for how much they both cost. Unfortunately, MI8 now has to figure out how to perform better and get people interested in a part two which doesn't want to call itself a part 2 anymore. And then there's the budget that surely ballooned because of the strikes and the gains for actors and writers because of the strike. At least Indy had no plans to continue further (and we never even heard rumors of Disney wanting to continue it further).

[Belakor]

And the most important thing:  MI7 is far from perfect, you can even say its mediocre but the reception was OK, indie on the other hand was the nail on the coffin for the franchise.

[BoxOfficeFangrl]

1 hour ago, JonathanMB said:

 

I had been comparing this film's run with Banshees of Inisherin from last fall since they opened similarly and have been expanding at similar rates, but wow Holdovers just really blew past Banshees's first Friday in wide release ($735,883) despite being in less theaters (895). Veteran's Day probably helped, but that's still a promising sign, and the film seems like a big-time crowd-pleaser. If Focus continues to expand it over the coming weeks, should become one of the few platform releases to make over $15M post-COVID - maybe even over $20M if they can keep it in theaters through awards season?

The Holdovers is holiday-themed so Focus might be tempted to have it on PVOD by the end of the month. Apparently it's not opening in the UK until January so maybe they will hold off on sending it to streaming for a while? Ten or twenty years ago, The Holdovers would have done as well as The Descendants or Sideways at the box office.

 

If you look at the demographic data from PostTrak, the problem with theater attendance isn't with people 35 and under.

Edited November 11, 2023 by BoxOfficeFangrl

[ringedmortality]

Just now, BoxOfficeFangrl said:

The Holdovers is holiday-themed so Focus might be tempted to have on PVOD by the end of the month. Apparently it's not opening in the UK until January so maybe they will hold off on sending it to streaming for a while? Ten or twenty years ago, The Holdovers would have done as well as The Descendants or Sideways.

 

If you look at the demographic data from PostTrak, the problem with theater attendance isn't with people 35 and under.

 

If it opened even five years ago it would have made as much as Green Book

[MysteryMovieMogul]

Also, the overwhelming positivity I see online this weekend regarding Loki versus the overwhelming negativity toward The Marvels shows the MCU isn't really in danger at all. Just the Captain Marvel franchise. Deadpool 3 will be fine. The 2025 will also be fine if they have good trailers.

[BadOlCatSylvester]

For all her faults with the sequel trilogy, Kathleen Kennedy's decision to mostly reserve Star Wars for TV was a smart one in hindsight, especially seeing as their colleagues over at Marvel tried to go overdrive after their finale and are now paying dearly for it. As inconsistent as the Star Wars series have been, even the worst of them don't cause anywhere near the major blows and discourse Marvel's misfires do. She's likely having a lot of second thoughts about that movie lineup they announced earlier in the year now. Hopefully she'll wait for the right, the best pitch possible to bring Star Wars back to the big screen so that it can be a behemoth once more.

[emoviefan]

5 minutes ago, MysteryMovieMogul said:

Also, the overwhelming positivity I see online this weekend regarding Loki versus the overwhelming negativity toward The Marvels shows the MCU isn't really in danger at all. Just the Captain Marvel franchise. Deadpool 3 will be fine. The 2025 will also be fine if they have good trailers.

Yeah watching the Loki finale Thursday night and the Marvels last night was interesting.The MCU is not in danger. They need to make some changes and they seem to realize that and are working on it so we get more Loki's and Guardians 3 and less Secret invasions and Marvels and Quantamanias.

[TomThomas]

44 minutes ago, Zakiyyah6 said:

Indiana Jones was a bigger bomb than MI7. That is a fact. 

Does anyone question that here?

[TheFlatLannister]

1 hour ago, Squire said:

Eh, I don’t agree. It is a disappointment, but it’s looking good compared to the likes of Indy, Marvels, and others. 

The Marvels and Indy are mega bombs, not really comparable. Mi7 was a flop not a bomb. Decreasing by ~30% WW is not good at all.  

[TomThomas]

52 minutes ago, Krissykins said:

Indiana Jones and Mission Impossible were two of the biggest bombs of the year btw.

Until The Marvels came out and might challenge all time anti-record.

[TheFlatLannister]

34 minutes ago, ringedmortality said:

Marvel just needs to cancel everything, reboot everything, and only have stand alone films from now on

The mass appeal of the MCU is the interconnected universe with episodic movies. Taking that factor out would turn them into just another blockbuster studio. 

[BadOlCatSylvester]

18 minutes ago, MysteryMovieMogul said:

Also, the overwhelming positivity I see online this weekend regarding Loki versus the overwhelming negativity toward The Marvels shows the MCU isn't really in danger at all. Just the Captain Marvel franchise. Deadpool 3 will be fine. The 2025 will also be fine if they have good trailers.

It still blows my mind that both the Loki finale and The Marvels hail from the same studio and were released on the exact same day. They are, in every way, polar opposites of each other. One is a beautiful, tragic tale with a crystal clear and consistent vision, stellar direction, intelligent writing, gorgeous cinematography, top of the line acting, and lovable characters that one can get strongly attached to and want to see achieve peace and happiness. The other is a Frankensteinian abomination with a wildly inconsistent vision, shoddy direction, cringeworthy writing, bland cinematography, weird acting, and one-dimensional characters who one most likely won't care all that much about. One of them is among the best moments of the franchise, while the other is its worst movie to date. The conflict of order and chaos which Loki explored is, ironically enough, a perfect representation of Marvel today.