fmpro Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 I tend to back up my arguments with logic and data. All you can do is throw insults at me. That's the difference between me and fanboys here.Like when you were wrong regarding Avengers about 30 times..Or should i say once a day in intire May Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letsuseournoggin Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 lol, logic? You were dead wrong with TA on every turn and I mean literally every turn. You have no logic, just a biased opinion that you portray as fact. I will admit, he is pretty good at sounding very objective. His writing style comes across as very fact based. If you didn't know anything about this BO stuff, he'd fool you rather easily. I remember the first time I read his stuff on TA, I squinted my eyebrows and had to re-read it before finally disagreeing. Now, it's pretty easy to spot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doublejack Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 But I'm smarter than most of the media when it comes to box office stuff. I, like much of you, spend waaaaay too much time on this stuff every day. So I believe I'm correct and 95% of the media is incorrect.There's that, and the fact that the media thinks with one mind. One outlet picks up a story, cooks up a headline and runs with it. It then becomes an echo chamber, where every single media outlet repeats the same canned lines. So of course 95% of the media are saying the same thing... they all share the same "source". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmpro Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 But I'm smarter than most of the media when it comes to box office stuff. I, like much of you, spend waaaaay too much time on this stuff every day. So I believe I'm correct and 95% of the media is incorrect.I agree.. Unless were talking about Spidey..Dear Baumerman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orestes Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 I agree.. Unless were talking about Spidey..Dear Baumerman Shouldn't it have been Baumer-Man? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#ED Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Again we're all talking like this movie is a failure.......lol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumer Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 It easily would have, I don't know why you don't see that. Just take a $185m ow and extrapolate it using the exact same drops it's having, and that's $500m no problem.There's no way in the world this would have hit 500, even in a perfect scenario. It's too divisive. Many love it and many don't and then you have people like me that like it but not really. For this to have hit 500 you would have needed outstanding WOM and I think it was heading for a 2.5-2.6 multiplier. 480 tops. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTF Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 (edited) dp Edited July 31, 2012 by FTF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Futurist Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Or people just weren't as excited for this film as many here thought they were. How long will you dance to this tune ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#ED Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 There's no way in the world this would have hit 500, even in a perfect scenario. It's too divisive. Many love it and many don't and then you have people like me that like it but not really. For this to have hit 500 you would have needed outstanding WOM and I think it was heading for a 2.5-2.6 multiplier. 480 tops.Many don't love it?I'm pretty sure the correct word would be "Some". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumer Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 How long will you dance to this tune ???Forever, because it's the right tune. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumer Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Many don't love it?I'm pretty sure the correct word would be "Some".Then you would be wrong in your assumption. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTF Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 There's no way in the world this would have hit 500, even in a perfect scenario. It's too divisive. Many love it and many don't and then you have people like me that like it but not really. For this to have hit 500 you would have needed outstanding WOM and I think it was heading for a 2.5-2.6 multiplier. 480 tops.What are you talking about with that first sentence? Under the worst case scenario possible for its ow, it's going to hit $450m, but under normal conditions without a massacre it wouldn't hit $500m no chance in the world??? That makes no sense...again, just take $185m ow, use the same drops it's having (which are slightly worse because of shootings or as you think, bad wom), and it's hitting $500m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmpro Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Shouldn't it have been Baumer-Man?Yeah it should have. Thats also what i wrote to him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letsuseournoggin Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 (edited) There's no way in the world this would have hit 500, even in a perfect scenario. It's too divisive. Many love it and many don't and then you have people like me that like it but not really. For this to have hit 500 you would have needed outstanding WOM and I think it was heading for a 2.5-2.6 multiplier. 480 tops.Gotta disagree with you here. I don't think 500 is absolutely impossible had the shooting not taken place. Off of a pretty realistic (IMO) 180m OW, a 2.78 mulit would not have been impossible. It's on it's way to getting a slightly better multi than that with the shooting, or very close to it, depending on how far it lands from 450m.I think it was highly unlikely, yes. Impossible, no. Edited July 31, 2012 by Letsuseournoggin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doublejack Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 It easily would have, I don't know why you don't see that. Just take a $185m ow and extrapolate it using the exact same drops it's having, and that's $500m no problem.My position is that without the shooting TDKR would have been more frontloaded. People held off on going IMO more so than decided to not go at all.The only way a movie gets to 533M like TDK or 600M like TA is repeat viewings... a lot of them. My assumption from before day 1 was that TDKR would not get as many repeat viewers as TDK, hence it would by nature be more frontloaded. Basically this is the theory that Nolan's trilogy shifted to more of the fanboy model, like a hybrid version of Potter mixed with standard SH films. I don't think a 3x multi was ever in the cards.If I'm right, then the first 10 or so days will have been slightly muted, but the movie's overall loss in the long haul would not have been impacted that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfirebird2008 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 There's no way in the world this would have hit 500, even in a perfect scenario. It's too divisive. Many love it and many don't and then you have people like me that like it but not really. For this to have hit 500 you would have needed outstanding WOM and I think it was heading for a 2.5-2.6 multiplier. 480 tops.485-490 tops IMHO, but likely landing around 475-480. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#ED Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Then you would be wrong in your assumption. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_dark_knight_rises/http://www.metacritic.com/movie/the-dark-knight-risesSOME is the correct term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Futurist Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 And people still discuss the TDKR case after you know what.Exhausting.Sigh ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druv10 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 I will admit, he is pretty good at sounding very objective. His writing style comes across as very fact based. If you didn't know anything about this BO stuff, he'd fool you rather easily. I remember the first time I read his stuff on TA, I squinted my eyebrows and had to re-read it before finally disagreeing. Now, it's pretty easy to spot. Yep, unlike BKB. Who can be spotted a mile away with his style. With RTX, it took time but it's straight forward now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
