No Time To Die | October 8 2021 | 82% on RT | RIP Sean Connery

[Eric S'ennui]

 

[Burgess]

22 hours ago, JWR said:

Do you think the news about Halloween Kills will improve this movie's chances second weekend?

 

I think so. I could be wrong, but the international Box Office for NTTD will be the biggest of the year. NTTD is poised to dominate Europe. NTTD will be the biggest pandemic film in the UK and Germany and there's no reason to believe that the rest of Western Europe won't follow.

[Burgess]

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/no-time-to-die-james-bond-china-release-1235060990/

 

‘No Time to Die’ Set to Hit China After Passing Official Censorship

[Hatebox]

20 hours ago, Eric and the Ten Rings said:

 

 

Sigh.

[JWR]

27 minutes ago, Hatebox said:

 

Sigh.

 

I don't mind. This is the grand finale of the Craig era, it's only fitting that it be the longest.

[Hatebox]

8 minutes ago, JWR said:

 

I don't mind. This is the grand finale of the Craig era, it's only fitting that it be the longest.

 

It doesn't need to be just because it's his last. My worry is that this means it'll lean into all the serialization stuff, which torpedoed the quality of Quantum and Spectre. We'll see.

 

 

Edited September 11, 2021 by Hatebox

[Macleod]

3 hours ago, Hatebox said:

 

It doesn't need to be just because it's his last. My worry is that this means it'll lean into all the serialization stuff, which torpedoed the quality of Quantum and Spectre. We'll see.

Yep, of course -- but what do you expect Craig to want for his "final" entry?  If he was going to come back at all, he wanted something to work with... 

[Cruel Summer]

an action movie has no business being almost 3h lol.

 

i feel like this will 'underperform' and struggle to cross 500m WW

[Macleod]

5 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said:

an action movie has no business being almost 3h lol.

Michael Bay says Hello.  🤣  And even though Bay had a memorable style in his heyday, I'm sure most things in this film will tier above almost all of Bay's work.  

[Cap]

Whhhy?

 

I'd rather it be like Venom and 90 minutes. 

[tonytr87]

7 hours ago, Hatebox said:

 

It doesn't need to be just because it's his last. My worry is that this means it'll lean into all the serialization stuff, which torpedoed the quality of Quantum and Spectre. We'll see.

 

 

 

Dude, the serialization is why this iteration is the best. We had decades of one-off movies with no relation to each other. This is what people want. 

 

Also, Spectre is severely underrated. 

[tonytr87]

Longer running time equals many things you can't get in 90 mins or even two hours - more character development, ATMOSPHERE, stronger emotional stakes (more time with the characters), and more intricate set pieces. 

[lorddemaxus]

1 hour ago, Cap said:

Whhhy?

 

I'd rather it be like Venom and 90 minutes. 

It should be like Quantum of Solace

[CoolioD1]

it's kinda funny that Daniel Craig's run is the four longest Bond films +  the shortest Bond film.

[35MM-18]

15 minutes ago, CoolioD1 said:

it's kinda funny that Daniel Craig's run is the four longest Bond films +  the shortest Bond film.

Reading this made me wonder what the total runtime for all the films was and then check what the average was. So I went and checked for myself. 

 

If anyone here is curious, the total runtime for the series is 3,205 minutes (53 hours and 25 minutes), and the average runtime is 128 minutes.

[Hatebox]

18 hours ago, tonytr87 said:

Dude, the serialization is why this iteration is the best. We had decades of one-off movies with no relation to each other. This is what people want. 

Craig's had two universally liked Bond movies - the two which kept the serialization to a bare minimum. There are lots of variables at play of course, but I don't think that's a coincidence. A scene here and there acknowledging his past is fine but to center a whole plot around it hasn't worked great so far.

 

I'd like very much for this entry to prove me wrong as it looks like that's what we're getting whether we want it or not.

 

 

Edited September 12, 2021 by Hatebox

[cookie]

I'd argue the serialization only really hit a roadblock when it tried to force classic Bond into it. That whole bit in Quantum with Gemma Arterton is just bizarre, and trying to make Blofeld some massive overarching villain and tie him into Bond's backstory in Spectre ended up being nonsensical. Both films are messes, but I wouldn't say the serialization was inherently the problem, especially since Casino Royale was the one setting that up in the first place.

[Eric S'ennui]

Controversial take, but I actually didn't mind the serialization of Quantum? The death of Vesper obviously took a toll on Bond, and a lot of Bond's arc is about this and I think they did an okay job in that department. Doesn't save the movie, but I think the serialized format in that respect wasn't a bad thing.

 

Spectre's attempt at an MCU "everything is connected" however was dumb as a brick and I have no clue what Eon was thinking.

[SnokesLegs]

I rewatched QoS last night, and personally it just felt like a total mess, even more so than it did back in 2008. The serialisation wasn’t necessarily the problem, but how much it relied on having seen CR and how undercooked the serialisation was definitely had an adverse effect. The whole Vesper revenge stuff is totally undercut by the scene where he jumps into bed with Gemma Arterton less than a week after Vesper’s death. QoS is the one Bond film that didn’t need him to be hopping into bed with anyone and it’d have been totally understandable.
 

The action scenes were all weirdly filmed  too (intercutting the initial chase scene with a horse race was just odd, I get what they were going for but it just didn’t work) and there didn’t seem to be much of a story, it just feels like a rushed epilogue to Casino Royale that was trying too hard to be Bourne. You can really tell that it was affected by the writers strike. At least with Spectre you can watch it as a stand-alone film and still follow it, but QoS is totally impenetrable for anyone who hasn’t seen CR.

 

And don’t even get me started on that abortion of a theme song…

Edited September 12, 2021 by SnokesLegs

[FilmFincher]

The serialisation doesn't work for me. I like some recurring elements like Felix but that scene in Spectre with all the previous villains photos hanging up/Author of all your pain deal makes me roll my eyes. 

 

And a film should be exactly how long it needs to be and you don't know the answer to that until you see the film! 

 

PS.

There's an 'No Time To Die: The Official James Bond Podcast' currently releasing which will have interviews with cast/crew and preview Zimmer's score. Have not listened to it yet but it's there for anyone who wants it.