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[Pure Spirit]

2 hours ago, IronJimbo said:

Global Market Growth + Inflation > Change in ER

 

Prove me wrong (you can't)

I’ll prove you right. Here’s a handy chart showing the relative impressiveness of the last 4 WW unadjusted all-timers (assuming EG makes it):

 

 

Really shows off Titanic’s immense accomplishment.

 

Methodology: Use the top 10 films in the year that film was released and compare the ratio between the WW champion and the top 10 average BO that year.

 

Source (from BOM):

 

 

Edited July 7, 2019 by Pure Spirit

[dignam]

3 hours ago, meriodejaneiro said:

If that means Exchange Rates, that's absolutely false.

 

Anyway, it's funny how cameronites now spin any thing they can bring on the table to diminish the probable surpassing of EG to A, when some weeks ago them all were happily being sarcastic and mocking MCU fans about EG not reaching A ww ... it's a matter of time, sooner than later EG will be #1 ww. 

You know whats more funny. After the insane ow when every cameron hater was mocking avatar/cameron fans. And after they realized that eg wont beat avatar they all disappeard ( except cdsacken, he was holding the ground). Then after feige and disney announced a re-release suddenly all the mcu hype fans appeard again wirh a big mouth. You see the difference? Avatar fans holding their ground no matter what. Those are real fans and not those wannabe hypetrain fans.

 

 

Edited July 7, 2019 by dignam

[dignam]

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Edited July 7, 2019 by dignam

[Doctor Stark]

6 minutes ago, dignam said:

You know whats more funny. After the insane ow when every cameron hater was mocking avatar/cameron fans. And after they realized that eg wont beat avatar they all disappeard ( except cdsacken, he was holding the ground). Then after feige and disney announced a re-release suddenly all the mcu hype fans appeard again wirh a big mouth. You see the difference? Avatar fans holding their ground no matter what. Those are real fans and not those wannabe hypetrain fans.

 

 

You do have a good point about Cameron fans, though imo it is kind of a double-edged sword. Their fan craziness is permanent while those Marvel fans were temporary. But I do admire the passion.

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[TomCruiseTop]

17 hours ago, Pure Spirit said:

You came to box office forums and entered the thread specifically for Avatar 2 and are clutching your pearls that drive-by critics of Avatar and Cameron don’t get the red carpet rolled out?

 

Spirit you're a god damn hero. 

[langer]

19 hours ago, Pure Spirit said:

I’ll prove you right. Here’s a handy chart showing the relative impressiveness of the last 4 WW unadjusted all-timers (assuming EG makes it):

 

 

Really shows off Titanic’s immense accomplishment.

 

Methodology: Use the top 10 films in the year that film was released and compare the ratio between the WW champion and the top 10 average BO that year.

 

Source (from BOM):

 

 

This is actually a pretty good way to compare movies and eras.  Would be best to analyze over a 3 year period (I.E. 2008-2009-2010 for Avatar).  Although this would would mean not having a final picture for a current movie (Endgame) after 12-18 months.  

[cdsacken]

It's ok. Jurassic Park isn't more impressive to anyone else however which makes the analysis look really skewed against End Game. 

 

Jurassic Park is below adjusted inflation domestically but it's close. Internationally it's a joke, not even close. 1.3 adjusted overseas vs 1.925. It's not even close unless you deliberately skew the data. 

[Elessar]

1 hour ago, cdsacken said:

It's ok. Jurassic Park isn't more impressive to anyone else however which makes the analysis look really skewed against End Game. 

 

Jurassic Park is below adjusted inflation domestically but it's close. Internationally it's a joke, not even close. 1.3 adjusted overseas vs 1.925. It's not even close unless you deliberately skew the data. 

How did you get that number? To adjust OS numbers would be a herculian task. Not to forget ERs. Plus you have to take into account huge market expansion.

Edited July 8, 2019 by Elessar

[cdsacken]

Just now, Elessar said:

How did you get that number? To adjust OS numbers would be a herculian task. Plus you have to take into account huge market expansion.

No matter how you adjust it, it's not gonna magically account for 625m. It's not gonna go from 625 to 1.925b no matter what calculation you use unless you lie 

[Elessar]

10 minutes ago, cdsacken said:

No matter how you adjust it, it's not gonna magically account for 625m. It's not gonna go from 625 to 1.925b no matter what calculation you use unless you lie 

China expansion alone could account for 625m.

[IronJimbo]

3 hours ago, cdsacken said:

It's ok. Jurassic Park isn't more impressive to anyone else however which makes the analysis look really skewed against End Game. 

 

Jurassic Park is below adjusted inflation domestically but it's close. Internationally it's a joke, not even close. 1.3 adjusted overseas vs 1.925. It's not even close unless you deliberately skew the data. 

 

Why are you overlooking the internation market size from back then? Films simply didn't make the same money they do now overseas.

 

I wouldn't write off Jurassic Park without doing any analysis what so ever cdsacked

Edited July 8, 2019 by IronJimbo

[IronJimbo]

I did this in what 15 minutes?
 

 

not really hard to take a quick look at something.

 

Calling it trolling to suggest "Jurassic Park is more impressive than EG" is trolling in itself

 

forgive the two sets of 2003 i whipped this up real quick and easy, a quick look at the overseas size in the top grossers since jurassic park.

 

we're in a completely different era of filmaking, we're in the damn franchise era.

 

 

@cdsacken

Edited July 8, 2019 by IronJimbo

[Deuce66]

On 7/7/2019 at 12:56 PM, IronJimbo said:

Global Market Growth + Inflation > Change in ER

 

Prove me wrong (you can't)

I was bored so I went thru this little exercise for the UK market the 5th largest foreign market for Avatar . 

                   
AVATAR     $150,025,197    USD – Box Office Mojo

           
1 UK POUND =     $1.5632    USD AVG. EXCH.(DEC 18/09-MAR 31/10)            
                              £95,973,130    UK POUND (2009-10)

            
1 UK POUND =     $1.2782    USD AVG. EXCH.(APR 26/19-JUN 30/19)            
                              $122,672,855    USD (2019) 

           
                                 -$27,352,342    LOSS ON EXCHANGE $USD            
                    
                              £95,973,130    (2009-10) UK POUND            
                                 £5.44                 2009 AVG. TICKET PRICE per UK Cinema Association            
                                 17,642,120        # of tickets sold (estimate)            
                    
                             £7.22                    2018 AVG. TICKET PRICE per UK Cinema Association            
                                17,642,120         # of tickets sold (estimate)            
                                £127,376,103    Adjusted Gross UK POUND 

           
1 UK POUND =    $1.2782    USD AVG. EXCH.(APR 26/19-JUN 30/19)            
                                $162,812,135    Adjusted Gross in $USD             
                    
                             $12,786,938    Increase over 2009            
                                               8.52%    %            
                    
SUMMARY  

$150,025,197    2009 Gross in USD            
-$27,352,342    Loss in Exchange 2009 vs 2019            
$40,139,280    Gain due to increase in ticket prices            
$162,812,135  Adjusted 2019 Total (Exch/Inflation)           
                    
 

                    
      
                    
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[IronJimbo]

7 minutes ago, Deuce66 said:

I was bored so I went thru this little exercise for the UK market the 5th largest foreign market for Avatar . 

                   
AVATAR     $150,025,197    USD – Box Office Mojo

           
1 UK POUND =     $1.5632    USD AVG. EXCH.(DEC 18/09-MAR 31/10)            
                              £95,973,130    UK POUND (2009-10)

            
1 UK POUND =     $1.2782    USD AVG. EXCH.(APR 26/19-JUN 30/19)            
                              $122,672,855    USD (2019) 

           
                                 -$27,352,342    LOSS ON EXCHANGE $USD            
                    
                              £95,973,130    (2009-10) UK POUND            
                                 £5.44                 2009 AVG. TICKET PRICE per UK Cinema Association            
                                 17,642,120        # of tickets sold (estimate)            
                    
                             £7.22                    2018 AVG. TICKET PRICE per UK Cinema Association            
                                17,642,120         # of tickets sold (estimate)            
                                £127,376,103    Adjusted Gross UK POUND 

           
1 UK POUND =    $1.2782    USD AVG. EXCH.(APR 26/19-JUN 30/19)            
                                $162,812,135    Adjusted Gross in $USD             
                    
                             $12,786,938    Increase over 2009            
                                               8.52%    %            
                    
SUMMARY  

$150,025,197    2009 Gross in USD            
-$27,352,342    Loss in Exchange 2009 vs 2019            
$40,139,280    Gain due to increase in ticket prices            
$162,812,135  Adjusted 2019 Total (Exch/Inflation)           
                    
 

                    
      
                    
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and thats with brexit... we shouldn't need Avatar 2 to put these clowns (not you cdsacked, the ones who say EG more impressive than Avatar) in their place but looks like we're going to have to wait for the 4 billies

Edited July 8, 2019 by IronJimbo

[langer]

3 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

I did this in what 15 minutes?
 

 

not really hard to take a quick look at something.

 

Calling it trolling to suggest "Jurassic Park is more impressive than EG" is flat out trolling.

 

@cdsacken

There are a couple "problems" with your analysis.

 

1 - EG is nowhere to be found as the year is not over, but it's safe to say it will not secure 30% of the top 10 OS in 2019 considering it is currently at 32,5% and several movies will pass Godzilla, Alita, How To Train Your Dragon and Pokemon in the months to come.  

2 - Your JP #s include the 2013 3D re-release (71M$)  - Would lower the % from 32 to 29,5.  

 

Otherwise - still shows that JP crushed the market compared to releases from 1993.  

[IronJimbo]

1 minute ago, langer said:

There are a couple "problems" with your analysis.

 

1 - EG is nowhere to be found as the year is not over, but it's safe to say it will not secure 30% of the top 10 OS in 2019 considering it is currently at 32,5% and several movies will pass Godzilla, Alita, How To Train Your Dragon and Pokemon in the months to come.  

2 - Your JP #s include the 2013 3D re-release (71M$)  - Would lower the % from 32 to 29,5.  

 

Otherwise - still shows that JP crushed the market compared to releases from 1993.  

valid points.

 

goal of the post was simply to show that suggesting jurassic park was more impressive than EG isn't trolling

[cdsacken]

It absolutely is trolling . magically adding Chinese numbers like 625m is stupid. 

[cdsacken]

Jurassic World did 225m in 2015. Jurassic Park would have done about 50m if not less in China