Avatar: The Way of Water | 16 DEC 2022 | Don't worry guys, critics like it

[Pure Spirit]

2 minutes ago, JimiQ said:

Aliens didn’t do that much better than Alien. 30% with 7 year inflation and global market growth

 

Just now, cdsacken said:

Indeed. Inflation adjusted it did worse.

Oh look a couple people who think $3.6B from Avatar 2 wouldn’t be impressive, looks like the thread just gained a couple more stans.

[JimiQ]

1 minute ago, Pure Spirit said:

 

Oh look a couple people who think $3.6B from Avatar 2 wouldn’t be impressive, looks like the thread just gained a couple more stans.

Matching Avatar is impressive, doing $80m DOM in 1986 is not

[cdsacken]

11 minutes ago, Pure Spirit said:

 

Oh look a couple people who think $3.6B from Avatar 2 wouldn’t be impressive, looks like the thread just gained a couple more stans.

Say what? 3.6B would be amazing. I just don't think it even sniffs that.

 

3.6B is 800m over the record with a period of basically little to no inflation. I never said otherwise

Edited July 2, 2019 by cdsacken

[Pure Spirit]

2 minutes ago, JimiQ said:

Matching Avatar is impressive, doing $80m DOM in 1986 is not

What was the typical box office for R-rated sci-fi horror in 1986?

[Pure Spirit]

3 minutes ago, cdsacken said:

Say what? 3.6B would be amazing. I just don't think it even sniffs that.

 

3.6B is 800m over the record with a period of basically little to inflation. I never said otherwise

The global box office has inflated by about 40% since Avatar, $3.6B wouldn't even match Avatar 1's global box office percentage take. I agree that $3.6B would be hugely impressive. I don't understand why @JimiQ and you are trying to argue Aliens wasn't an impressive box office smash. Name one other sci-fi horror film (R rated preferably) that's topped the box office for 4 weeks straight other than Alien and Aliens.

[Deep Wang]

10 minutes ago, Pure Spirit said:

What was the typical box office for R-rated sci-fi horror in 1986?

R-rated movies in general did a lot better in the 80's.  

[Deuce66]

9 minutes ago, Pure Spirit said:

What was the typical box office for R-rated sci-fi horror in 1986?

 

Top Domestic grosses for 1986. Aliens did very well. 

 

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?yr=1986&p=.htm

 

 

1	Top Gun	Par.	$176,781,728	1,531	$8,193,052	1,028	5/16
2	Crocodile Dundee	Par.	$174,803,506	1,495	$8,038,855	879	9/26
3	Platoon	Orion	$138,530,565	1,564	$241,080	6	12/19
4	The Karate Kid Part II	Col.	$115,103,979	1,610	$12,652,336	1,323	6/20
5	Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home	Par.	$109,713,132	1,956	$16,881,888	1,349	11/26
6	Back to School	Orion	$91,258,000	1,751	$8,881,035	1,605	6/13
7	Aliens	Fox	$85,160,248	1,454	$10,052,042	1,437	7/18
8	The Golden Child	Par.	$79,817,937	1,714	$11,549,711	1,667	12/12
9	Ruthless People	BV	$71,624,879	1,114	$5,274,306	1,111	6/27
10	Ferris Bueller's Day Off	Par.	$70,136,369	1,330	$6,275,647	1,330	6/11

[Valonqar]

1 hour ago, cdsacken said:

Very true might not be any of them or any MCU film. Somewhere someone is conceptualizing an original that will shatter them all.

[Pure Spirit]

16 minutes ago, Deuce66 said:

 

Top Domestic grosses for 1986. Aliens did very well. 

 

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?yr=1986&p=.htm

 

 

1	Top Gun	Par.	$176,781,728	1,531	$8,193,052	1,028	5/16
2	Crocodile Dundee	Par.	$174,803,506	1,495	$8,038,855	879	9/26
3	Platoon	Orion	$138,530,565	1,564	$241,080	6	12/19
4	The Karate Kid Part II	Col.	$115,103,979	1,610	$12,652,336	1,323	6/20
5	Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home	Par.	$109,713,132	1,956	$16,881,888	1,349	11/26
6	Back to School	Orion	$91,258,000	1,751	$8,881,035	1,605	6/13
7	Aliens	Fox	$85,160,248	1,454	$10,052,042	1,437	7/18
8	The Golden Child	Par.	$79,817,937	1,714	$11,549,711	1,667	12/12
9	Ruthless People	BV	$71,624,879	1,114	$5,274,306	1,111	6/27
10	Ferris Bueller's Day Off	Par.	$70,136,369	1,330	$6,275,647	1,330	6/11

It was 16 years before Aliens was topped (unadjusted) on BOM's sci-fi horror list, back before M Night Shyamalan took his fall from grace (the biggest we've ever seen in the history of directors. And now you remember "The Happening".  

 

 

[Pure Spirit]

1 minute ago, Valonqar said:

It's only a matter of Time.

 

 

Spoiler

you think Jim Gang is obnoxious, wait until the Second Age of Nolan 

 

[JimiQ]

Ok, Aliens are impressive-ish (although that scifi-horror is a weird flex since Aliens aren’t really a horror, more of an action flick), what rubbed me wrong way is the equalisation of Aliens and T2 impressiveness, because it is not the same league

[TomCruiseTop]

3 hours ago, Deep Wang said:

 

Because he is.  He thinks he knows everything.

 

I don't know what the stipulations of the deal are, but I keep seeing people say Disney only gets 20%, so let's just go with that number.

 

Let's just assume part 2 stays flat and makes about $2.8b.  So Disney didn't put one penny into the production(or however much has left to be funded, which is a pittance compared to the total cost I'm sure), and they would stand to get make about 560m?  Who the fuck wouldn't be STOKED to have that kind of deal??

 

When a movie stands to make the kind of money most of these Avatar sequels are going to make, 20% would make them a hell of a lot of money.  It stands that they could make far more with 20% of A2-5 than a lot of their other stuff like Dumbo, Alice 2, Nutcracker, Christopher Robin and the like.

Posts like these remind me that Wang doesn't know anywhere near as much as he thinks he does. 

[Valonqar]

2 hours ago, Pure Spirit said:

It's only a matter of Time.

 

 

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you think Jim Gang is obnoxious, wait until the Second Age of Nolan 

 

shit, what if Second Age of Nolan (Tenet) breaks 3B???? 

Edited July 2, 2019 by Valonqar

[Deuce66]

6 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

shit, what if Second Age of Nolan (Tenet) breaks 3B???? 

 

NO chance - like 0.00000000000000000000000000000001% 😎

 

Worldwide (Unadjusted)

Title (click to view)	Studio	Worldwide	Domestic / %		Overseas / %		Year
The Dark Knight Rises	WB	$1,084.9	$448.1	41.3%	$636.8	58.7%	2012
The Dark Knight	WB	$1,003.0	$533.3	53.2%	$469.7	46.8%	2008
Inception	WB	$828.3	$292.6	35.3%	$535.7	64.7%	2010
Interstellar	Par.	$677.5	$188.0	27.8%	$489.4	72.2%	2014
Dunkirk	WB	$525.2	$188.0	35.8%	$337.2	64.2%	2017
Batman Begins	WB	$372.7	$205.3	55.1%	$167.4	44.9%	2005
Insomnia	WB	$113.7	$67.4	59.2%	$46.4	40.8%	2002
The Prestige	BV	$109.7	$53.1	48.4%	$56.6	51.6%	2006
Memento	NM	$39.7	$25.5	64.3%	$14.2	35.7%	2001

 

[Deep Wang]

16 minutes ago, JamesCameronScholar said:

Posts like these remind me that Wang doesn't know anywhere near as much as he thinks he does. 

 

And as always, instead of showing me how I'm wrong and helping me to understand what I don't know, JCS insists on posts like this which doesn't help anyone except his ego.

[Pure Spirit]

6 minutes ago, Deep Wang said:

 

And as always, instead of showing me how I'm wrong and helping me to understand what I don't know, JCS insists on posts like this which doesn't help anyone except his ego.

I’ll try to help. Big business isn’t about being stoked about the contract they have, it’s about squeezing whatever profits they can without deviating from the corporate culture overtly. If execs at Disney believe they can win a concession from Cameron or make an example out of him, and it would make them more money in the short or long run, AND it is the type of thing they are known to do as part of their business culture (that’s the question mark for me) they’ll do it. It’s a constant battle. Having a contract is just the table stakes, big contracts are renegotiated all the time. So instead of looking at the contract in terms of “that’s a lot of money,” look at it as “is that the best Disney can do?” Personally, I think it is, but I wouldn’t put it past Disney to squeeze Cameron and block his re-releases to extract concessions. 

[Deep Wang]

7 minutes ago, Pure Spirit said:

I’ll try to help. Big business isn’t about being stoked about the contract they have, it’s about squeezing whatever profits they can without deviating from the corporate culture overtly. If execs at Disney believe they can win a concession from Cameron or make an example out of him, and it would make them more money in the short or long run, AND it is the type of thing they are known to do as part of their business culture (that’s the question mark for me) they’ll do it. It’s a constant battle. Having a contract is just the table stakes, big contracts are renegotiated all the time. So instead of looking at the contract in terms of “that’s a lot of money,” look at it as “is that the best Disney can do?” Personally, I think it is, but I wouldn’t put it past Disney to squeeze Cameron and block his re-releases to extract concessions. 

 

Of course, no matter what share Disney gets of the Avatar sequels, they would love a bigger slice, who wouldn't??  I guess it's weird for everyone in here(the Jim Gang) to just automatically assume Disney will just immediately piss of Cameron and risk losing on even the tiniest slice of that pie.  Especially when the catalyst for this discussion lies specifically with the WW gross of Avatar and Endgame, which doesn't even matter because Disney will win in the long run. 

 

Doing a quick search, I can't find any articles about the deal in place and what the actual cut is.  Does anyone have that info available?  Where are people getting the 20% figure from to begin with?  

 

 

 

[cdsacken]

They pulled it out of their butt with no sources  

[IronJimbo]

5 hours ago, Valonqar said:

the point is, IronJimbo and JCS are not as big fans as they claim if they think JC doesn't have much higher goal than sinking EG in sight. 

 

But speaking of 4B, it won't happen soon but if we go by my Theory of Milestones aka TOM, first movie to break a milestone comes closer to the next milestone than to the one it broke:

 

Titanic original run = 1.8B (closer to 2B than 1B)

 

Avatar = 2.7B (closer to 3B than 2B)

 

so according to TOM, the movie that breaks 3B barrier should make closer to 4B than 3B. How about 3.6B? Not great, not terrible. 

easy now cowboy, i've been on the 4 billie train for months now

[IronJimbo]

42 minutes ago, Deep Wang said:

 

Of course, no matter what share Disney gets of the Avatar sequels, they would love a bigger slice, who wouldn't??  I guess it's weird for everyone in here(the Jim Gang) to just automatically assume Disney will just immediately piss of Cameron and risk losing on even the tiniest slice of that pie.  Especially when the catalyst for this discussion lies specifically with the WW gross of Avatar and Endgame, which doesn't even matter because Disney will win in the long run. 

 

Doing a quick search, I can't find any articles about the deal in place and what the actual cut is.  Does anyone have that info available?  Where are people getting the 20% figure from to begin with? 

 

It's confidential, only have rumours.. a reddit post from someone who said they were at a fox shareholder event