How HV sales used to turn big box office hits into massive box office GIANTS

[BK007]

10 hours ago, George Parr said:

There is nothing more useless when it comes to HV sales than an article that just mentions shares. I guess the fact that sales aren't anywhere near what they used to be has led to the people in charge prefering to just mention vague shares that really tell you nothing at all while very much sounding impressive.

 

 

Or why America stopped releasing admissions for movies. 

 

All about the money. Capitalist mindset for the win. 

[cannastop]

7 hours ago, BK007 said:

 

 

Or why America stopped releasing admissions for movies. 

 

All about the money. Capitalist mindset for the win. 

Uh, it's not like announcing admissions rather than revenue would show how altruistic the studios are. And considering the wide variety of different prices for tickets, revenue announcements are more informative.

[Arlborn]

8 minutes ago, cannastop said:

Uh, it's not like announcing admissions rather than revenue would show how altruistic the studios are. And considering the wide variety of different prices for tickets, revenue announcements are more informative.

Only in part though. The advantage of admissions is that it would be much easier to compare older movies to newer movies. You could even take the population growth in consideration to make it a fairer comparison.

 

Hell, you could take the total admissions of each year and compare them(taking population growth into consideration) to know if people went more or less to the movies in a certain year! Hell, we could compare decades, we could find out if piracy is really affecting box office and all kinds of awesome stuff!

 

Eh, thinking about it, that's probably the whole reason they don't release them in the States lol

[cannastop]

10 minutes ago, Arlborn said:

Only in part though. The advantage of admissions is that it would be much easier to compare older movies to newer movies. You could even take the population growth in consideration to make it a fairer comparison.

 

Hell, you could take the total admissions of each year and compare them(taking population growth into consideration) to know if people went more or less to the movies in a certain year! Hell, we could compare decades, we could find out if piracy is really affecting box office and all kinds of awesome stuff!

 

Eh, thinking about it, that's probably the whole reason they don't release them in the States lol

We already have estimates of admissions, though.

 

When did they stop announcing exact figures, though?

[langer]

On ‎5‎/‎19‎/‎2016 at 10:35 AM, SteveJaros said:

 

To put that in perspective among other big movies from last year, Jurassic World has made about $124m, Ultron $73m, Furious 7 has made $63m, Inside Out $105m, and Minions has made $107m.

 

We really need some entity to start tracking digital sales and rentals. 

 

I know it's a late bump, but all those titles you mentioned have been in release for 20+ weeks compared to TFA's 2 weeks.  By the time TFA is at 20+ weeks, it will be close to 170M$. 

[cannastop]

I wonder when we'll see headlines at how well Zootopia's blu ray is selling.

[SchumacherFTW]

2 hours ago, cannastop said:

I wonder when we'll see headlines at how well Zootopia's blu ray is selling.

If Star Wars didn't get any, Zootopia won't. 

[cannastop]

6 minutes ago, SchumacherFTW said:

If Star Wars didn't get any, Zootopia won't. 

Well, it actually kind of did.

 

http://variety.com/2016/digital/news/star-wars-the-force-awakens-home-video-blu-ray-1201753139/

 

Judging by that article, I guess it will be Wednesday when we can hear something about Zootopia.

[SteveJaros]

On 5/21/2016 at 11:03 AM, Arlborn said:

Only in part though. The advantage of admissions is that it would be much easier to compare older movies to newer movies. You could even take the population growth in consideration to make it a fairer comparison.

 

Hell, you could take the total admissions of each year and compare them(taking population growth into consideration) to know if people went more or less to the movies in a certain year! Hell, we could compare decades, we could find out if piracy is really affecting box office and all kinds of awesome stuff!

 

Eh, thinking about it, that's probably the whole reason they don't release them in the States lol

 

Why bother with admissions when box office is all about money? Admissions only matter to the extent they translate into money. If you let 500 people in for free, that is meaningless. An admission at 7 PM when the ticket price is $11 is better than an admission at 11 AM when the price might be $6. But you count admissions, you count them the same.

 

So better to just measure money directly.

[johnboy3434]

2 hours ago, SteveJaros said:

 

Why bother with admissions when box office is all about money? Admissions only matter to the extent they translate into money. If you let 500 people in for free, that is meaningless. An admission at 7 PM when the ticket price is $11 is better than an admission at 11 AM when the price might be $6. But you count admissions, you count them the same.

 

So better to just measure money directly.

 

It also makes adjusting the worldwide gross a lot easier. So long as the studio is an American entity, you can simply use American ticket inflation, since they will presumably have the foreign currency converted to dollars in their bank accounts not long after the money is made. At that point, inflation in the foreign currency is irrelevant to the value of the money that the studio has because it's all in dollars anyway. While this figure can't be used as a comparative gauge of the number of admissions (twice the worldwide gross would not necessarily mean twice the number of tickets worldwide), it would be a comparative gauge of the overall monetary value that the movie brought to the studio (twice the worldwide gross would mean twice the amount of wealth changed hands at theaters worldwide).

 

Edited June 12, 2016 by johnboy3434

[jimisawesome]

1 hour ago, SteveJaros said:

 

Why bother with admissions when box office is all about money? Admissions only matter to the extent they translate into money. If you let 500 people in for free, that is meaningless. An admission at 7 PM when the ticket price is $11 is better than an admission at 11 AM when the price might be $6. But you count admissions, you count them the same.

 

So better to just measure money directly.

 

This cant be said enough.  Execs know when they green light a Kids movie that it will take higher attendance to achieve the same revenue as a movie that is aimed at adults.  Execs know they can help their gross with large format theaters and 3D which is why there is such demand for Imax screens for blockbusters and so many 3D conversions.  If the goal was attendance instead execs would do things very differently.  They would first radically extend if not end the home video market.  No Blu Ray, no DVD, No HBO and No TNT.  They would dramatically lower the ticket prices.  They would give theaters a much larger cut of the sales.  Even a Batman v Superman would have at least another 5 million in attendance in this kind of world. 

[Mojoguy]

To be fair, Home video sales tend to drop 75% on their second weeks, so they have terrible legs.

Studios can't depend on HV anymore like they did in the mid 2000s. Movies on the big screen should always be a priority for the studios, making earlier and earlier HV releases is going to really cost them in the end.

[MinaTakla]

INSIDE OUT - 5.5 million copies sold (blu+dvd combined)

MINIONS - 6.2 million copies sold (blu+dvd combined)

JURASSIC WORLD - 6.4 million copies sold (blu+dvd combined)

The-numbers.com

[jimisawesome]

20 hours ago, Mojoguy said:

To be fair, Home video sales tend to drop 75% on their second weeks, so they have terrible legs.

Studios can't depend on HV anymore like they did in the mid 2000s. Movies on the big screen should always be a priority for the studios, making earlier and earlier HV releases is going to really cost them in the end.

 

And movies are getting much deeper discounts on sale prices much sooner after release.  Deadpool is an advertised deal this week for 12 dollars on Blu Ray and was released just 7 weeks ago. 

[kowhite]

On June 11, 2016 at 5:50 PM, johnboy3434 said:

 

It also makes adjusting the worldwide gross a lot easier. So long as the studio is an American entity, you can simply use American ticket inflation, since they will presumably have the foreign currency converted to dollars in their bank accounts not long after the money is made. At that point, inflation in the foreign currency is irrelevant to the value of the money that the studio has because it's all in dollars anyway. While this figure can't be used as a comparative gauge of the number of admissions (twice the worldwide gross would not necessarily mean twice the number of tickets worldwide), it would be a comparative gauge of the overall monetary value that the movie brought to the studio (twice the worldwide gross would mean twice the amount of wealth changed hands at theaters worldwide).

 

 

Youre not explaining why the industry would give a shit about that.  There's no real benefit to them going off admissions versus dollars when they're putting numbers out.

 

Yiu are right, that info is useful from a studio point of view.  But why make that the face of their metrics to the public?  You will not be able to explain that, cause there's no benefit.  Yes it's self serving to the industry, but pandering to box office pundits like ourselves is...useless...to the industry.

 

What you want would be useful to us...but hey, I get why it's not reality.  There simply is no gain from it.  It's not like studios actually want you to be able to calculate their profitability.  Granted, even with admissions, everyone would be way off anyways.

Edited June 13, 2016 by kowhite

[johnboy3434]

11 hours ago, kowhite said:

 

Youre not explaining why the industry would give a shit about that.  There's no real benefit to them going off admissions versus dollars when they're putting numbers out.

 

Yiu are right, that info is useful from a studio point of view.  But why make that the face of their metrics to the public?  You will not be able to explain that, cause there's no benefit.  Yes it's self serving to the industry, but pandering to box office pundits like ourselves is...useless...to the industry.

 

What you want would be useful to us...but hey, I get why it's not reality.  There simply is no gain from it.  It's not like studios actually want you to be able to calculate their profitability.  Granted, even with admissions, everyone would be way off anyways.

 

I'm sorry, but could you rephrase this? I can't follow your point. The argument being made was whether admissions or dollar values would be better to report. I chimed in saying that, from our standpoint, dollar values have the advantage of making worldwide inflation adjustments easier. I'm not sure how your post follows from that.

 

Edited June 13, 2016 by johnboy3434

[cannastop]

BTW, every Wednesday, this site updates:

 

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/

[johnboy3434]

35 minutes ago, cannastop said:

BTW, every Wednesday, this site updates:

 

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/

 

Does it give sales figures, or does it just run news articles about home media?

[Mojoguy]

DEADPOOL Bluray is already going for $11.99 this week at Amazon, Best Buy and Target.

This is probably to quick move the copies already stock. It costs way more to keep videos in a warehouse these days than to get rid of copies with a sale.

Give it a few more years and home video market will be deader than dead.

Edited June 14, 2016 by Mojoguy

[Jayhawk the Hutt]

7 minutes ago, Mojoguy said:

DEADPOOL Bluray is already going for $11.99 this week at Amazon, Best Buy and Target.

This is probably to quick move the copies already stock. It costs way more to keep videos in a warehouse these days than to get rid of copies with a sale.

Give it a few more years and home video market will be deader than dead.

Can't wait. A ton of great deals on BluRays over the next few years.