How HV sales used to turn big box office hits into massive box office GIANTS

[Plain Old Tele]

1 hour ago, Mojoguy said:

They are the only place with actual numbers though.

 

This is true, but their "numbers" aren't really "numbers". They break things down to the dollar, which makes it seem accurate even though they're basically just guessing.

[seduh]

Frozen is about to cross the 20 million mark (DVD + Blu Ray). It will be the last time ever that this happen

[Mojoguy]

This is true, but their "numbers" aren't really "numbers". They break things down to the dollar, which makes it seem accurate even though they're basically just guessing.

But... but... SCIENCE!

[cannastop]

35 minutes ago, Tele the Jet Baller said:

 

This is true, but their "numbers" aren't really "numbers". They break things down to the dollar, which makes it seem accurate even though they're basically just guessing.

I appreciate their efforts, though. I think that someone moderately talented in mathematics could make out something informative from the actual data that's released to the public. I just wish I knew how rigorous they were.

[cannastop]

31 minutes ago, seduh said:

Frozen is about to cross the 20 million mark (DVD + Blu Ray). It will be the last time ever that this happen

Huh? The-numbers says that it made over $370m from packaged media.

[edroger3]

57 minutes ago, cannastop said:

Huh? The-numbers says that it made over $370m from packaged media.

20M of units sold. 

By the way it seems that now great pysical sales are made only if parents can use the disks as a babysitter. This happens when the little ones are obsessed from a movie and they want to see it more than one time every day. This maybe can explain why some animated movies, more "adult-ish" and complex like Zoo and IO, had successful run in cinemas like Frozen, but are selling tremendously less than this movie in Home Video, or, in opposite, why Frozen, which is the champ in obsessing people, have sold three times more any title in past few years. Not even SW TFA, the most anticipated and successfull movie ever in North America, have been able to reach that  level in Home Video there.

[cannastop]

1 minute ago, edroger3 said:

20M of units sold. 

By the way it seems that now great pysical sales are made only if parents can use the disks as a babysitter. This happens when the little ones are obsessed from a movie and they want to see it more than one time every day. This maybe can explain why some animated movies, more "adult-ish" and complex like Zoo and IO, had successful run in cinemas like Frozen, but are selling tremendously less than this movie in Home Video, or, in opposite, why Frozen, which is the champ in obsessing people, have sold three times more any title in past few years. Not even SW TFA, the most anticipated and successfull movie ever in North America, have been able to reach that  level in Home Video there.

Hey, Zootopia's video release is looking pretty nice. Might even end up a whole lot better than Inside Out's. Nothing is going to measure up to Frozen, of course.

[Mojoguy]

The top 2-4 in 2015 were animated films BH6, Inside Out and Minions. Each of those made around $90m on dvd+bluray combined.

Families are just more likely to buy on video these days.

I feel sorry for those movies that can't even hit $10m in video sales. That's becoming very common in recent years.

Edited August 22, 2016 by Mojoguy

[TalismanRing]

7 minutes ago, Mojoguy said:

The top 2-4 in 2015 were animated films BH6, Inside Out and Minions. Each of those made around $90m on dvd+bluray combined.

Families are just more likely to buy on video these days.

I feel sorry for those movies that can't even hit $10m in video sales. That's becoming very common in recent years.

 

Streaming, VOD, Netflix, Amazon etc are becoming good avenues for smaller films, and supplements to larger ones, while not wholly making up for hard media loss

[Mojoguy]

The new benchmark in physical video sales

$100 million dollars combined dvd+bluray sales is considered a blockbuster (5 million units sold) like Jurassic World, BH6, Minions, Inside Out

$50m is a hit

A ton of movies that can't even sell over $10m.

The decline is real

Just check The Number's home video sales charts. Their charts go back all the way to 2009!

Edited August 22, 2016 by Mojoguy

[TalismanRing]

9 minutes ago, Mojoguy said:

The new benchmark in physical video sales

$100 million dollars combined dvd+bluray sales is considered blockbuster (5 million units sold) like Jurassic World, BH6, Minions, Inside Out

$50m is a hit

A ton of movies that can't even sell over $10m.

Just check The Number's home video sales charts

 

 

The Martian was a blockbuster and according to The Numbers sold 2m units for around $37m.  The Good Dinosaur on the other hand did $51m+

 

$100m+ films are now big films that tend to skew to family/children movies

[Mojoguy]

All of The Number's yearly charts have been put up on Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_films_in_the_United_States

[TalismanRing]

5 minutes ago, Mojoguy said:

All of The Number's yearly charts have been put up on Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_films_in_the_United_States

 

The charts are a bit out of date, not only with new films but updates of older ones.

 

Numbers has Iron Man on their site at over 11m units, but it's at 8.4m on the Wiki chart

 

 

[Mojoguy]

Yeah, those are yearly charts. They only show what a movie made in video sales at the end of its first year, but that's still pretty good for comparisons.

You wouldn't compare Iron Man which has been out for 8 years on video to TFA which hasn't even been out for 1 year would you?

Edited August 22, 2016 by Mojoguy

[edroger3]

1 hour ago, cannastop said:

Hey, Zootopia's video release is looking pretty nice. Might even end up a whole lot better than Inside Out's. Nothing is going to measure up to Frozen, of course.

I Just try to analyze the numbers. I Just try to explain this fact. Zootopia first week is similar to IO (2,1M vs 2M) as so was their cinematic grosses in NA (341M vs 356m). Frozen was only a bit better in teathers (400M) but way way better in HV (7M first week). 

[langer]

56 minutes ago, Mojoguy said:

The new benchmark in physical video sales

$100 million dollars combined dvd+bluray sales is considered a blockbuster (5 million units sold) like Jurassic World, BH6, Minions, Inside Out

$50m is a hit

A ton of movies that can't even sell over $10m.

The decline is real

Just check The Number's home video sales charts. Their charts go back all the way to 2009!

 

Goes back to 2006 in fact for DVD.  Just no data for Blu Ray before 2009. 

[Mojoguy]

Zootopia will end up in the top 5 videos sales of 2016.

It should end up near $100m combined sales by the end of the year, and it also sold a bunch of other merchandise.

It's going to do more than fine. Stop trying to compare it to Frozen. All recent movies sell disappointing on video if you try to compare to Frozen.

Edited August 22, 2016 by Mojoguy

[DAR]

I swear everytime I look at this thread title I think it says How HIV sales used to turn box office hits into box office giants

[cannastop]

I think we should ask how big video sales are in Japan. Piracy isn't as common there as it is in other places, and I think that packaged media in general is bigger as well. Japan alone might be a bigger video market for some Hollywood movies.

[cannastop]

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/financial/lionsgate-vice-chairman-dvd-still-massive-business-us-38677

 

Lionsgate Vice Chairman: “The DVD business is going to be around a lot longer than people think. It’s still a massive business for us. It’s not going away.”

 

He's basing this statement on how well Warrior has done on video.