FINDING DORY | 542.3 M overseas ● 1028.6 M worldwide

[Olive]

It's not totally dead yet on billion WW, but matching Zootopia may be a stretch.

[bladels]

$35M more from Japan, $25M more from UK, $10-15M (depends on it'll get Labor Day expansion or not) more from US & Canada, $10M more from other markets.

That means unopened markets need to make $40-45M for Dory to reach $1B.

Nemo makes $81M from German and Italy, >$22M from others so $1B is very likely. 

[Fullbuster]

I hope Moana can beat this

[Purple Minion]

Actuals went up by another million OS. @kayumanggi, could you update the info in the title? Ta!

 

Domestic:	$473,872,375	54.4%
+ Foreign:	$397,440,448	45.6%
= Worldwide:	$871,312,823

[John Marston]

Overseas numbers are disappointing. No way to spin it

[kayumanggi]

397.4 M overseas | 871.3 M worldwide

[Purple Minion]

With Tuesday DOM numbers, FD is now at #7 in the all-time gross list ($474,653,886), jumping over SW1.

Worldwide, it must have passed BVS by now.

[Fullbuster]

Dory is a slow-motion juggernaut

[a2k]

On 8/9/2016 at 11:09 AM, John Marston said:

Overseas numbers are disappointing. No way to spin it

It's on track for ~525M OS imo. Why would that be disappointing?

Movies like Frozen and ZOOTP have broken in one market big time (Japan for Frozen, China for ZOOTP) pushing up the OS gross up considerably.

That didn't happen for DORY but it's easily crossing 500M OS.

[John Marston]

18 minutes ago, a2knet said:

It's on track for ~525M OS imo. Why would that be disappointing?

Movies like Frozen and ZOOTP have broken in one market big time (Japan for Frozen, China for ZOOTP) pushing up the OS gross up considerably.

That didn't happen for DORY but it's easily crossing 500M OS.

 

 

 

13 years of inflation and 3D

[Fullbuster]

24 minutes ago, John Marston said:

 

 

 

13 years of inflation and 3D

 

The terrible exchange rates, the Brexit, competition from Pets, terrorist attacks..mitigated this. Don't pick only what suits you best.

[Jason]

30 minutes ago, John Marston said:

13 years of inflation and 3D

 

The box office market hasn't grown in Japan and Europe over the past 13 years, meaning that any increase in ticket prices because of 3D or inflation has been countered by falling attendance. Which given demographic trends in Japan and Europe makes complete sense (thanks @Fullbuster for reminding me of that). Also, if exchange rates in 2003 were what they are now, Nemo would have made only ~$251M in Europe instead of $284M. Not a huge difference but worth taking into consideration.

 

Therefore, there is no good reason to expect Dory to make more than Nemo in Europe or Japan, when you actually consider the lack of growth in those markets instead of assuming they have grown like North America's has. Dory has made more than Nemo did outside of Europe and Japan, as one would expect from the markets that are actually growing.

 

That being said, I'm not saying Dory's numbers haven't been disappointing at all, as it will fall short of even the ER-adjusted numbers of Nemo in Europe and Japan. But it's just mildly disappointing when you look at the original numbers instead of imagining that Dory should have made more than Nemo.

Edited August 10, 2016 by Jason

[a2k]

9 hours ago, John Marston said:

 

 

 

13 years of inflation and 3D

 

When NEMO released, how many beautifully rendered animations (irrespective of movie's quality) were being made?

 

In 2001 there are 2 animations in top 10 - Shrek, Monsters Inc

In 2002 just 1 - Ice Age at #9

In 2003 just 1 - Nemo

In 2004 - Shrek 2, Incredibles

In 2005 - Only Magadascar at #9

 

If ZOOTP didn't exist, PETS didn't exist, KFP3 didn't exist and DORY was the only animation in top 10 for 2016, wouldn't it have made more?

 

NEMO combined great animation and great storytelling at a time when quality CGI animation was itself a novelty. Things are tougher for DORY.

[peludo]

According my calculations, Nemo would had done $515m OS today because of ER factor (not applied inflation or 3D). In this case, I think ER is not the main factor, as it is that it is not easy to repeat what Nemo did (13 years seem too long to make a sequel as we have already seen with Monsters University). 10 million admissions in France, 8.5 million in Germany, 5 million in Spain... That was gigantic. But IMHO, the main reason for this "disappointment" is the ENORMOUS competition.

 

In 2003 we had as biggest animated film WW:

Finding Nemo: 864m

Brother Bear: 250m

The Jungle Book 2: 135m

Sinbad: 80m

Looney Tunes. 68m

Total: 1.397b

 

In 2016 we have this:

Zootopia: 1.023b

Finding Dory: 872m

Kung Fu Panda 3: 519m

Pets: 506m

Angry birds: 345m

Ice Age 5: 289m

Total: 3.554b

 

The increase in WW sales is brutal since 2003 in animated films, but in the same way, the competition too. And Pets still has to make lots of money. And we still have to see Moana. We could see animation making 4.5b this year, more than 200% higher than in 2003 WW.

[titanic2187]

1 hour ago, a2knet said:

 

When NEMO released, how many beautifully rendered animations (irrespective of movie's quality) were being made?

 

In 2001 there are 2 animations in top 10 - Shrek, Monsters Inc

In 2002 just 1 - Ice Age at #9

In 2003 just 1 - Nemo

In 2004 - Shrek 2, Incredibles

In 2005 - Only Magadascar at #9

 

If ZOOTP didn't exist, PETS didn't exist, KFP3 didn't exist and DORY was the only animation in top 10 for 2016, wouldn't it have made more?

 

NEMO combined great animation and great storytelling at a time when quality CGI animation was itself a novelty. Things are tougher for DORY.

if those acting pulling factor and pushing factor were interacting, the net effect would almost none....making direct comparison between nemo and dory possible 

[Fullbuster]

The exchange rates have a real effect on Latin America by the way.

Dory grossed 34m in Brazil but with the same ER than in 2012 it would be around 47m, so the effect is pretty clear. So while emerging markets can offset stagnating or declining markets that's pretty limited in case of disadvantageous ER. So Dory did really well in the end, and Jason/Peludo highlighted this in a compelling way

 

However I'm quite optimistic about future Pixar/Disney movies because there is still so much room for growth :

 

-The US is still growing, helped by a relatively dynamic population growth

 

-China is growing more slowly but still pretty impressive

 

-A real potential for Latin America that is now doing well but is far from being developed. Brazil and Mexico will be bigger than Japan.

 

-India, Indonesia, Turkey barely started and could become really huge.

 

-Africa is mainly not targeted at all, and that's amazing promising.

 

-Some markets such as Saudi Arabia and Iran could open someday to Hollywood movies.

 

 

[Quigley]

Disney now owns the four biggest 2016 films worldwide. Does any of you think SS or SLOP have chance of entering the Top 4? Cuz I can't imagine a scenario in which they will.

[Purple Minion]

Update as of Thursday (Mojo). It's now the #4 WW movie of the year and #42 all time, should pass $900M this weekend and jump over SM3 and HP4.

 

Domestic:	$475,413,060	53.6%
+ Foreign:	$411,700,000	46.4%
= Worldwide:	$887,113,060

[Purple Minion]

Duplicate. ESCAPE.

Edited August 12, 2016 by Purple Minion

[druv10]

1 hour ago, Quigley said:

Disney now owns the four biggest 2016 films worldwide. Does any of you think SS or SLOP have chance of entering the Top 4? Cuz I can't imagine a scenario in which they will.

No chance for either. Jungle book is looking at 975M+ and Dory 1B+. Add in Rogue One, top 5 are all Disney movies for the year.