druv10 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 24 minutes ago, MrPink said: TDK run is still amazing and when factored in it was in 2D only, it's even more amazing. Right up there with TA1 & SM1 with 72M+ admissions, just below Avatar and SW7. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MovieMan89 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 21 minutes ago, Porthos said: Compare the 26th to the 19th to the 12th. Unfair because that's a federal holiday? Fine. Compare the Tue and Wed numbers for those three weeks as well. It increased BOTH weeks on those respective days of the week! THAT'S holiday legs in action (esp with Sing as nearly direct competition) A lot more than just Holiday legs though, WOM is incredible. Not every movie can do something like that, hence why Moana is the only one doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MovieMan89 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 28 minutes ago, Daxtreme said: I seem to recall some people before Rogue One opened saying that TFA was an outlier, that big openers will drop almost normally during the holidays because that's how big movies function... Well, here's how Rogue One compares to similar openers during its 2nd week DAY Rogue One The Dark Knight Catching Fire The Hunger Games Mon $32,085,637+24.1% / +82.3% $318,119,079 / 11 $10,518,116-55.5% / -57.1%$324,299,793 / 11 $3,402,550-76.1% / -72.4% $299,698,207 / 11 $4,522,495-70.2% / -58.2% $253,006,396 / 11 Tue $22,515,612-29.8% / +28.1%$340,634,691 / 12 $9,629,366-8.4% / -53.9% $333,929,159 / 12 $4,009,955+17.9% / -74.9% $303,708,162 / 12 $5,324,246+17.7% / -48.5% $258,330,642 / 12 Wed $18,021,482-20% / +20.4%$358,656,173 / 13 $8,755,141-9.1% / -52.4% $342,684,300 / 13 $3,017,817-24.7% / -85.5% $306,725,979 / 13 $4,608,765-13.4% / -42.8% $262,939,407 / 13 Thu - $8,402,546-4% / -49%$351,086,846 / 14 $2,938,977-2.6% / -80.3% $309,664,956 / 14 $6,399,758+38.9% / -21.7% $269,339,165 / 14 (Thu will be close to $18M as well) I mean... ... Jesus, the numbers aren't even close. So, can we please finally assess, for real and for good, that no matter the size of a movie's opening, holiday legs WILL kick in, pretty please? I've had this argument with I don't know how many users before Rogue One opened (who mysteriously disappeared since then), and I would like it if that would become common knowledge from now on. Who was arguing the holds this week would be poor though? I definitely wasn't. I just thought the numbers would be lower going into this past weekend. Hence why after the first Monday # I said sub 450 was pretty much dead. It's last week it did much better than I expected in terms of holds, not this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daxtreme Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 13 minutes ago, MovieMan89 said: Who was arguing the holds this week would be poor though? I definitely wasn't. I just thought the numbers would be lower going into this past weekend. Hence why after the first Monday # I said sub 450 was pretty much dead. It's last week it did much better than I expected in terms of holds, not this week. I don't know, some other folks. Forgot their names. No one outright said the holds would be poor, but I remember people saying the holiday legs were overrated or something, and that they wouldn't apply to a big opener that wasn't TFA, when clearly it's not the case. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druv10 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 (edited) I forgot Shrek 2, it's above the trifecta of TDK, TA1 and SM1 in admissions. All 4 were no question phenomenas. Edited December 29, 2016 by druv10 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
setna Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 (edited) 36 minutes ago, PPZVGOS said: @Daxtreme I had the same argument on a Star Wars forum recently. Actually, if one goes into the trouble of looking at historical precedent apropos the month of December then a very clear picture emerges. Opening weekends get compromised, while legs benefit immensely during the holiday days. It's as simple as that. People have difficulty in accepting this since they are too used with the summer-type behavior of blockbusters. Well, December releases are quite simply a very different animal. I have also been telling this to people: If TFA opened in the summer, its opening weekend would have been even bigger, possibly over $300M, but its legs would be somewhat shorter. The same of course would apply to Rogue One, or any of the The Lord of the Rings movies, Avatar or even Titanic. I think Titanic is in another legue, if would showed in summer, spring or autmm, i think it´d had the same run, remember it was 15 !!! weeks number one and its highest day it was the 58th!!!, something that i think won´t happen again... Edited December 29, 2016 by setna 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilmBuff Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 2 minutes ago, druv10 said: I forgot Shrek 2, it's above the trifecta of TDK, TA1 and SM1 in admissions. All 4 were phenomenas. Below TA. In fact it's well below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfirebird2008 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 (edited) 7 minutes ago, FilmBuff said: Below TA. In fact it's well below. BOM admissions chart does not properly account for 3D or child discounts. Films like Shrek 2 or The Lion King are underestimated compared to live action films. Meanwhile 2D movies like SM1 or TDK are underestimated compared to 3D movies like JW or TA1. Edited December 29, 2016 by redfirebird2008 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LonePirate Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 33 minutes ago, druv10 said: TDK run is still amazing and when factored in it was in 2D only, it's even more amazing. Right up there with TA1 & SM1 with 72M+ admissions, just below Avatar and SW7. TDK did play in the few original flavor IMAX screens available in 2008. I saw it in one of them and it was glorious apart from the screen size changes that occurred whenever an IMAX filmed scene started and ended. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilmBuff Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 10 minutes ago, redfirebird2008 said: BOM admissions chart does not properly account for 3D or child discounts. Films like Shrek 2 or The Lion King are underestimated compared to live action films. Meanwhile 2D movies like SM1 or TDK are underestimated compared to 3D movies like JW or TA1. Deadman's chest should be thrown in there somewhere too. It's often forgotten due to a mixed reception. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfirebird2008 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 Just now, LonePirate said: TDK did play in the few original flavor IMAX screens available in 2008. I saw it in one of them and it was glorious apart from the screen size changes that occurred whenever an IMAX filmed scene started and ended. It had an amazing run in IMAX. Opened to $6.3m on 94 screens and finished around $50m. That was in the days when WB was pretty much the only studio releasing their tentpole films in IMAX, so TDK played on those screens for around 6 months I would guess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druv10 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 2 minutes ago, LonePirate said: TDK did play in the few original flavor IMAX screens available in 2008. I saw it in one of them and it was glorious apart from the screen size changes that occurred whenever an IMAX filmed scene started and ended. Yeah, it made 50M in IMAX. I factored that in my calculations. SW7 Shrek 2/Avatar TDK/TA1/SM1 DMC/JW 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfirebird2008 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 1 minute ago, druv10 said: Yeah, it made 50M in IMAX. I factored that in my calculations. SW7 Shrek 2/Avatar TDK/TA1/SM1 DMC/JW TPM is above Shrek 2 and Avatar, although I guess you are only talking about 2000's movies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druv10 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 5 minutes ago, redfirebird2008 said: TPM is above Shrek 2 and Avatar, although I guess you are only talking about 2000's movies. Yeah, TPM's around 84-85M and Titanic with it's 125M+. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfirebird2008 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 (edited) 3 minutes ago, druv10 said: Yeah, TPM's around 84-85M and Titanic with it's 125M+. Jurassic Park similar to TPM and I think Forrest Gump is in the upper 70m area. Do we think TFA even made it to 100m? I would guess it's north of 95m but the BOM estimate at 108m is way off (same goes for JW). Spizzer at one point had all the math figured out. Both of those movies made an insane amount of money from 3D, IMAX, PLF and played in those formats for a long time. Edited December 29, 2016 by redfirebird2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druv10 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 Just now, redfirebird2008 said: Jurassic Park similar to TPM and I think Forrest Gump is in the upper 70m area. Do we think TFA even made it to 100m? I would guess it's north of 95m but the BOM estimate at 108m is way off (same goes for JW). Spizzer at one point had all the math figured out. Both of those movies made an insane amount of money from 3D, IMAX, PLF and played in those formats for a long time. Highly unlikely SW7 hit 100M, my guess is 93/94M. It's premium screen money was substantially high, almost to Avatar levels. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxmoser3 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 2016 is now officially the new yearly record! This weekend will help it get around to $11.3 billion. 2017 is gonna be a 50/50, January is gonna suck unless if we get breakouts, but from February on things should be solid. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfirebird2008 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 Just now, druv10 said: Highly unlikely SW7 hit 100M, my guess is 93/94M. It's premium screen money was substantially high, almost to Avatar levels. Part of it was the movie made so damn much in short period of time. It didn't have great late legs where it would have been playing on smaller screens at lower ticket prices. After 17 days it had almost matched Avatar's total. Insanity. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3racer123 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Daxtreme said: I don't know, some other folks. Forgot their names. No one outright said the holds would be poor, but I remember people saying the holiday legs were overrated or something, and that they wouldn't apply to a big opener that wasn't TFA, when clearly it's not the case. I've found one! Can you guess which user it was? On 14/12/2016 at 8:38 PM, IronJimbo said: 400m DOM here @Christmas Baumer , put me in the OP for my share of glory thanks. I find with sequels the quality of the prior film seriously effects the money made of the second. People went to watch TFA from all the hype and I truly believe only SW fans left excited, the rest just thought "that was alright". This film won't have legs and I don't care that it's December. 150OW 250 after that. We are going to see AoU tier legs. Another one here from Baumer: On 30/11/2016 at 3:00 AM, Christmas Baumer said: IMO, you can't expect a film that opens to 130-150 million to have massive legs. A 3X would be huge. Obviously it could have stronger legs, if you go by TFA, but I think that's such an anomaly that it's not applicable in this situation. Edited December 29, 2016 by m3racer123 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daxtreme Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 2 minutes ago, m3racer123 said: I've found one! Can you guess which user it was? I actually have IronJimbo on ignore so it has to be someone else. ... But that doesn't surprise me in the slightest 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
