Weekend Thread 7/7-7/9 | ABSOLUTELY NO SPOILERS ALLOWED | SMH 117M, DM3 34M, BD 12.5M, WW 10.1M, TF5 6.3M, Biggus Dickus 3.65

[YM!]

2 minutes ago, PRESIDENT BKB said:

 

I'll be the 1st to say I'm disappointed considering the Godawful SPIDER-MAN III in 2007 opened to 151M and in 2017, this movie can't even muster that up on top of how good the reviews are, how much of a feel good type of movie this is?? Really??? If that's the case, then the superhero movies grossing 400M Domestic is pretty well never going to happen again if this couldn't get the job done..

That's because you had unrealistic expectations.

[MikeQ]

Great opening for Spider-Man - the 13th best opening for a comic book film ever.

 

Best Opening Weekends for Comic Book Films & Share from Previews

 

Title / Opening Weekend Gross / Share of Opening Weekend from Previews/Midnights

1. Marvel’s The Avengers (2012) — 207.4 million (9.0%)
2. Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015) — 191.3 million (14.4%)
3. Captain America: Civil War (2016) — 179.1 million (14.0%)
4. Iron Man 3 (2013) — 174.1 million (9.0%)
5. Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) — 166.0 million (16.7%)
6. The Dark Knight Rises (2012) — 160.9 million (19.0%)
7. The Dark Knight (2008) — 158.4 million (11.7%)
8. Spider-Man 3 (2007) — 151.1 million (6.6%)
9. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (2017) — 146.5 million (11.6%)
10. Suicide Squad (2016) — 133.7 million (15.3%)
11. Deadpool (2016) — 132.4 million (9.6%)
12. Iron Man 2 (2010) — 128.1 million (5.9%)
13. Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017) — 117.0 million (13.2%)
14. Man of Steel (2013) — 116.6 million (7.7%)
15. Spider-Man (2002) — 114.8 million (6.1%)
16. Wonder Woman (2017) — 103.1 million (10.7%)
17. X-Men: The Last Stand (2006) — 102.8 million (5.7%)
18. Iron Man (2008) — 98.6 million (5.1%)
19. Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2014) — 95.0 million (10.7%)
20. Guardians of the Galaxy (2014) — 94.3 million (11.9%)
21. The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (2014) — 91.6 million (9.5%)
22. X-Men: Days of Future Past (2014) — 90.8 million (8.9%)

Peace,

Mike

[a2k]

2 minutes ago, Zakiyyah6 said:

Spidey's North American numbers are huge as well. If 117 million was easy to open with then more Blockbusters would have open with those kinds of numbers this year. Now all it needs are good legs and I think it will get that.

Yeah. 115+ is at least the high-end of my expectations. I think the 51 OD threw people off and 130 came into play. Even Deadline had updated to 125-127. The normally conservative Gitesh confidently said it will open as the 2nd biggest Spidey - which it did, but by a small enough margin to not be very confident after OD.

It's a very big ow no doubt.

[RyneOh1040]

2 minutes ago, MovieMan89 said:

I think 3x and 350 for HC can happen. People are acting like its about to get slaughtered by competition or something. We don't even have another guaranteed 200m+ grosser releasing the rest of the summer. And we only have one that is likely to go over 150. I'd say 320 should at least happen for HC. 

i side with this line of thinking as well.  even if apes breaks out I don't see much higher than the last in terms of opening weekend and Dunkirk/Valerian aren't going to steal from the audience either.  Would be very surprised to see it miss 300.

[Rman823]

1 minute ago, YourMother said:

I ran out of likes but still. I don't get why anyone would want an opposing CBM to flop. It means people can lose jobs, and hurt the genre as a whole. A bad CBM from Marvel or DC can affect the next one regardless of brand since audiences might get tired. At the end of the day they're just movies. I am glad that the fanboys here aren't a tenth as bad as the ones on IMDB.

Exactly. There are some franchises I personally don't care for (Harry Potter/Fantastic Beasts, Star Trek, etc.) but I'm not going to root for them to fail. And I agree 100% even if you stan for only one studio when it comes to CBMs you should still want the others to be successful because it can easily play a role in how your movie does. 

[ZeeSoh]

3 minutes ago, damnitgeorge08 said:

Rdj as iron man has 7 back to back 300m grossers. Let's not downplay that.

 

Thats gonna be 9 back to back 300m grossers in 2019 after IW1 and IW2 opens. 

 

No other character except Harry Potter (adjusted only. Not adjusted even that doesnt come close) comes close to this streak. And also Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader

 

By the time IW2 finishes its run he will be in 6 billion dollar movies and 6 400m dom movies.

[Rman823]

1 minute ago, PRESIDENT BKB said:

 

How could you not when the reviews are as good as they are??? Hell, there better than what SM3 received and that stull managed to muster up 151M in it's OW.. This should've been able to at least match that or come close.. Sorry, but it's true..

[Zakiyyah6]

2 minutes ago, PRESIDENT BKB said:

 

How could you not when the reviews are as good as they are??? Hell, they're better than what SM3 received and that stull managed to muster up 151M in it's OW.. This should've been able to at least match that or come close.. Sorry, but it's true..

Predicting homecoming to out open Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2 was always nothing more than a pipe dream. It was never happening. The most it was going to do was 130mil, the absolute most.

Edited July 9, 2017 by Zakiyyah6

[Mr Impossible]

9 minutes ago, RyneOh1040 said:

also holy hell at this DM3 international number.

 

Massive $173M global wknd for #DespicableMe3 led by $66M opening in China, biggest ever for a toon. WW total now $447.6M going to $800M+.

 

$1B is doable it has very little animated competition. 

[filmscholar]

Spidey's back, honestly I'm fine with these numbers because this is basically the 2nd reboot.  They soft rebooted the character in "Civil War".   "TASM 2" did about 91 OW back in 14' so the MarvelIron Man/Downey Jr boost worked out if it comes in 115+.  That would be roughly a 25 Million increase over 4 years.   So the good news is Spidey Man "Homecoming" is posed to stop the trend of every Spiderman movie dropping domestically from it's predecessor:

 

1	Spider-Man	Sony	$403,706,375	3,876	$114,844,116	3,615	5/3/02
2	Spider-Man 2	Sony	$373,585,825	4,166	$88,156,227	4,152	6/30/04
3	Spider-Man 3	Sony	$336,530,303	4,324	$151,116,516	4,252	5/4/07
4	The Amazing Spider-Man	Sony	$262,030,663	4,318	$62,004,688	4,318	7/3/12
5	The Amazing Spider-Man 2	Sony	$202,853,933	4,324	$91,608,337	4,324	5/2/14
6	Spider-Man: Homecoming	Sony	$50,500,000	4,348	n/a	4,348	7/7/17

 

 

The goal should definitely be to outgross "TASM1" adjusted which would be 297.  So I'm with everyone that 300 is a nice benchmark for a 3rd reboot.   The irony of it all is that the original did 114 Million and broke the OW record 15 years ago.   So "SMH" will break a 100 Million OW from the franchise since 2002 and 07 but it will be less than SM3 and just about the same as SM1  I also think overseas should also help out with SMH.   "Transformers" and "Pirates" fall from grace has been pretty interesting this summer.  Overseas will save them but those domestic numbers are definitely is downward trend.   "DM3" is doing pretty good, the Minions are just becoming so big in Pop Culture for kids.  

 

"Wonder Woman" remains the comic book film to beat for not just the summer but the Year.  "Baby Driver" felt like a cult like film when I saw the trailer, it's doing amazing honestly.  "Cars 3" is just honestly "There", i mean I guess their whole thing is to keep the Cars toys and games merchandising machine going so I guess they succeeded but it wasn't a great Trilogy like "Toy Story".  Lastly I got love for Tom but the "Mummy" reboot just didn't connect domestically. It's not even going to get "Tomb of the Dragon Emperor" numbers.   Can't wait to see what Apes does next week. 

Edited July 9, 2017 by filmscholar

[Cookson]

Is Apes not tracking very well? A 60m OW seems small for a final film in a trilogy during the summer.

[YM!]

3 minutes ago, PRESIDENT BKB said:

 

How could you not when the reviews are as good as they are??? Hell, there better than what SM3 received and that stull managed to muster up 151M in it's OW.. This should've been able to at least match that or come close.. Sorry, but it's true..

Like Wonder Woman before it, Spider-Man had 3 bad to mixed movies before it in the eyes on the GA. This is an incredible rebound. Spider-Man 3 was also the end of a beloved trilogy too.

Edited July 9, 2017 by YourMother

[grey ghost]

If I had the choose SMH taking the summer crown and being one of the best SH movies, I'll take the latter.

 

No question.

 

I've waited my whole life for a Spider-man movie that felt like the real NYC, that celebrated nerdom, that explored the working class and teenagers properly, that co-starred other Marvel superheroes, that had a complex villain, that didn't have an annoying love interest, that had an ideal costume, the nailed the wisecracks, showed why mechanical webshooter are awesome, etc.

 

Marvel Studios delivered in spades.

 

Some people don't get how and why but for the rest of us, what a gift.

[Premium George]

1 minute ago, ZeeSoh said:

 

Thats gonna be 9 back to back 300m grossers in 2019 after IW1 and IW2 opens. 

 

No other character except Harry Potter (adjusted only. Not adjusted even that doesnt come close) comes close to this streak. And also Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader

 

By the time IW2 finishes its run he will be in 6 billion dollar movies and 6 400m dom movies.

And most of them are because of rdj as iron man. So, comparing gal gadot on f&f or stan lee's cameo is unfair. 

[WrathOfHan]

1 minute ago, Cookson said:

Is Apes not tracking very well? A 60m OW seems small for a final film in a trilogy during the summer.

Presales are on par with POTC. Using anecdotal evidence, it's selling very poorly at my theater. The first shows on each day of the weekend have sold about 6 seats each, yet Thursday night hasn't sold anything yet and the Apes trilogy on Wednesday has only sold 2 seats.

[Mr Impossible]

2 minutes ago, filmscholar said:

Spidey's back, honestly I'm fine with these numbers because this is basically the 2nd reboot.  They soft rebooted the character in "Civil War".   "TASM 2" did about 91 OW back in 14' so the MarvelIron Man/Downey Jr boost worked out if it comes in 115+.  That would be roughly a 25 Million increase over 4 years.   So the good news is Spidey Man "Homecoming" is posed to stop the trend of every Spiderman movie dropping domestically from it's predecessor:

 

1	Spider-Man	Sony	$403,706,375	3,876	$114,844,116	3,615	5/3/02
2	Spider-Man 2	Sony	$373,585,825	4,166	$88,156,227	4,152	6/30/04
3	Spider-Man 3	Sony	$336,530,303	4,324	$151,116,516	4,252	5/4/07
4	The Amazing Spider-Man	Sony	$262,030,663	4,318	$62,004,688	4,318	7/3/12
5	The Amazing Spider-Man 2	Sony	$202,853,933	4,324	$91,608,337	4,324	5/2/14
6	Spider-Man: Homecoming	Sony	$50,500,000	4,348	n/a	4,348	7/7/17

 

 

The goal should definitely be to outgross "TASM1" adjusted which would be 297.  So I'm with everyone that 300 is a nice benchmark for a 3rd reboot.   The irony of it all is that the original did 114 Million and broke the OW record 15 years ago.   So "SMH" is the first time the franchise broke a 100 Million OW since 2002.  I also think overseas should also help out with SMH.   "Transformers" and "Pirates" fall from grace has been pretty interesting this summer.  Overseas will save them but those domestic numbers are definitely is downward trend.   "DM3" is doing pretty good, the Minions are just becoming so big in Pop Culture for kids.  

 

"Wonder Woman" remains the comic book film to beat for not just the summer but the Year.  "Baby Driver" felt like a cult like film when I saw the trailer, it's doing amazing honestly.  "Cars 3" is just honestly "There", i mean I guess their whole thing is to keep the Cars toys and games merchandising machine going so I guess they succeeded but it wasn't a great Trilogy like "Toy Story".  Lastly I got love for Tom but the "Mummy" reboot just didn't connect domestically. It's not even going to get "Tomb of the Dragon Emperor" numbers.   Can't wait to see what Apes does next week. 

 

Lol Pirates is already a success while Transformers won't be. 

[JohnnyGossamer]

18 minutes ago, RyneOh1040 said:

lol this is nuts.  Spidey 3 OW makes perfect sense coming off of one of, if not THE most revered superhero movie in the past two decades.  Social media did not have the immediacy it does now and people saw the film expecting a worthy follow up.  The logic you are using here to set the bar for success is crazy.

Yup. I'd be more worried if Homecoming failed to eclipse Spidey 3's legs. It was the most hyped superhero movie and, arguably, movie of all-time entering it's OW. It's OW tally currently inflates to $195M DOM. Completely silly post by BKB. To be expected when he's disappointed.

Edited July 9, 2017 by JohnnyGossamer

[MovieMan89]

3 minutes ago, RyneOh1040 said:

i side with this line of thinking as well.  even if apes breaks out I don't see much higher than the last in terms of opening weekend and Dunkirk/Valerian aren't going to steal from the audience either.  Would be very surprised to see it miss 300.

I just don't understand why some are treating it like a Civil War or Age of Ultron? It's not a sequel and it can easily stand alone, there's no reason the mutli shouldn't be in line with the rest of MCU's non-sequels, especially given the reviews. 

[titanic2187]

2 minutes ago, Cookson said:

Is Apes not tracking very well? A 60m OW seems small for a final film in a trilogy during the summer.

Apes is like Star trek Beyond of 2017 to me, both are 3rd movie in trilogy, have great reviews and represent non-CBM blockbuster in july of summer, and both tracking about the same OW or total....

[Mr Impossible]

1 minute ago, titanic2187 said:

Apes is like Star trek Beyond of 2017 to me, both are 3rd movie in trilogy, have great reviews and represent non-CBM blockbuster in july of summer, and both tracking about the same OW or total....

 

Apes has overseas, Star Trek never had.