WEEKEND Thread | 'Jigsaw' -16.2M; TYFYS- 3.7M; Suburbicon- 2.8M

[grey ghost]

I love getting all my favorite trailers back to back at the theater.

 

You know, the kind of trailers you re-watch endlessly on YouTube?

 

Doesn't happen too often though.

[James]

God, I am always surprised by what a horrible year Paramount is having. Will they even manage to cross 500m DOM by years end? At this point Lionsgate has more of a claim to the Big 6 title than they do. For better or worse, since their Hunger Games days they have done a good job at keeping the money flow constant. And MI aside, 2018 looks just as bad for Paramount. 

[WrathOfHan]

Just now, James said:

God, I am always surprised by what a horrible year Paramount is having. Will they even manage to cross 500m DOM by years end? At this point Lionsgate has more of a claim to the Big 6 title than they do. For better or worse, since their Hunger Games days they have done a good job at keeping the money flow constant. And MI aside, 2018 looks just as bad for Paramount. 

Paramount needs to take a good look at their slate and fix what kind of movies they put out. Their years are basically divided into two sections: blockbusters for the first 9 months of the year, then Oscar films for the last 3 months with MAYBE a family film. They should honestly just ditch blockbusters and focus on lower budget fare. It's what they're best at and would give them even more respect among filmmakers. 

[Alli]

Paramount is a mess with the new management too. I can't believe they're going forward with Top Gun 2. Talk about a flop waiting to happen.

[filmlover]

3 minutes ago, WrathOfHan said:

Paramount needs to take a good look at their slate and fix what kind of movies they put out. Their years are basically divided into two sections: blockbusters for the first 9 months of the year, then Oscar films for the last 3 months with MAYBE a family film. They should honestly just ditch blockbusters and focus on lower budget fare. It's what they're best at and would give them even more respect among filmmakers. 

Movies like mother! and Suburbicon are lower budget fare and they're still flops (although Suburbicon's epic failure is surely much more surprising than mother! opening modestly and quickly fading).

[Barnack]

35 minutes ago, filmlover said:

Suburbicon has to be one of the biggest blunders in years. How the hell did so many talented people get together and this was the result?

 

Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk was a frontrunner for best picture:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/aug/10/oscars-2017-predictions-movie-reviews-film-festival-favorites

Was expected to do 100m by some:

http://pro.boxoffice.com/long-range-forecast-billy-lynns-long-halftime-walk-arrival-almost-christmas-shut/

 

Had article like those:

http://www.indiewire.com/2016/10/ang-lee-billy-lynn-long-half-time-walk-could-change-filmmaking-mark-friedberg-nyff-2016-1201738049/

 

Almost all Ang lee movie did over 100m until then, with only one commercial failure in is career.

 

Sony leaked e-mail showed how excited they were to have the chance to work with Lee, with people saying stuff like:

Tom is going to get the best pic oscar for ang lee’s version of Billy Lynn too.

 

That was impressively low:

 

Opening weekend: $0.9m

Total dbo: $1,736,708

 

It was not starring Damon, but Lee directed and a cast of known actor:

Vin Diesel
Steve Martin
Kristen Stewart
Chris Tucker

 

 

 

Edited October 27, 2017 by Barnack

[WrathOfHan]

3 minutes ago, Barnack said:

Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk was a frontrunner for best picture:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/aug/10/oscars-2017-predictions-movie-reviews-film-festival-favorites

Was expected to do 100m by some:

http://pro.boxoffice.com/long-range-forecast-billy-lynns-long-halftime-walk-arrival-almost-christmas-shut/

 

Had article like those:

http://www.indiewire.com/2016/10/ang-lee-billy-lynn-long-half-time-walk-could-change-filmmaking-mark-friedberg-nyff-2016-1201738049/

 

Almost all Ang lee movie did over 100m until then, with only one commercial failure in is career.

 

Sony leaked e-mail showed how excited they were to have the chance to work with Lee, with people saying stuff like:

Tom is going to get the best pic oscar for ang lee’s version of Billy Lynn too.

 

That was impressively low:

 

Opening weekend: $0.9m

Total dbo: $1,736,708

 

It was not starring Damon, but Lee directed and a cast of known actor:

Vin Diesel
Steve Martin
Kristen Stewart
Chris Tucker

 

 

 

I remember my AMC had tickets up for that and removed them about a week prior to release when they found out they weren't getting it  

[filmlover]

2 minutes ago, Barnack said:

Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk was a frontrunner for best picture:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/aug/10/oscars-2017-predictions-movie-reviews-film-festival-favorites

Was expected to do 100m by some:

http://pro.boxoffice.com/long-range-forecast-billy-lynns-long-halftime-walk-arrival-almost-christmas-shut/

 

Had article like those:

http://www.indiewire.com/2016/10/ang-lee-billy-lynn-long-half-time-walk-could-change-filmmaking-mark-friedberg-nyff-2016-1201738049/

 

Almost all Ang lee movie did over 100m until then, with only one commercial failure in is career.

 

Sony leaked e-mail showed how excited they were to have the chance to work with Lee, with people saying stuff like:

Tom is going to get the best pic oscar for ang lee’s version of Billy Lynn too.

 

That was impressively low:

 

Opening weekend: $0.9m

Total dbo: $1,736,708

 

It was not starring Damon, but Lee directed and a cast of known actor:

Vin Diesel
Steve Martin
Kristen Stewart
Chris Tucker

 

 

 

True, but everyone knew Billy Lynn was completely DOA after its first reviews from NYFF came in (PTSD is clearly not a sellable topic, as Thank You for Your Service is now also proving). Suburbicon feels like a new contender for the "how da fuq did this happen?" hall of shame.

[Jake Gittes]

From what I understand Clooney took a Coens script from 30 years ago that they never bothered to revisit and combined it with his own entirely unrelated one? Yeah that wouldn't seem like a great strategy. 

[Barnack]

25 minutes ago, WrathOfHan said:

They should honestly just ditch blockbusters and focus on lower budget fare. It's what they're best at and would give them even more respect among filmmakers.

Without the transformer/mission impossible and other world released product, it make little sense to be a MPAA movie studio with world distribution infrastructure like Paramount.

 

Outside going back to a 50 movie a year slate, the overhead would kill those low budget fare profit margin, usually production overhead is about 5 to 15% of the movie's production budgets, without any big budget movie in a slate, they would become really huge, Gianopulos did talk about it:

 

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/paramounts-jim-gianopulos-starting-his-fox-exit-reviving-a-struggling-studio-1015023

 

How many films does a major studio need to release a year?

You really should be doing between 12 and 16 films. At the same time, quotas are very difficult. If you don't have the movies, you shouldn't be making them. But to be able to amortize the global reach and overhead of a major studio, you need to be somewhere in that range.

 

If you are to just do lower budget fare, it is probably better to not be a world studio and be like those who do that (and have someone else distribute worldwide the few title that need to)

[grim22]

23 minutes ago, Alli said:

Paramount is a mess with the new management too. I can't believe they're going forward with Top Gun 2. Talk about a flop waiting to happen.

 

Paramount has no big IP. Transformers is on its last legs currently, Star Trek does ridiculously low business OS, Terminator is on its 3rd reboot now, TMNT2 killed that franchise for a while. The only live IP they have is Mission Impossible. Its a pretty bad situation since studios are currently surviving on IP, Paramount lost Marvel and Dreamworks in the same year and Transformers took a huge nosedive as well. A studio struggling to reach 500M domestic for the year after having 12 releases is crazy, less then 50M per year is required and they are still not able to meet that requirement.

[filmlover]

Didn't Paramount blame Rotten Tomatoes for the failures of Ghost in the Shell, Baywatch, and the latest Transformers not too long ago? Maybe they should actually watch the movies they put out, they'll see where the problem is right then and there.

[WrathOfHan]

1 minute ago, filmlover said:

Didn't Paramount blame Rotten Tomatoes for the failures of Ghost in the Shell, Baywatch, and the latest Transformers not too long ago? Maybe they should actually watch the movies they put out, they'll see where the problem is right then and there.

GITS stayed fresh for a while though. It was too niche to appeal beyond weeaboos, and they pissed them off with the changes to the story (whitewashing among them)

[Barnack]

4 minutes ago, grim22 said:

 

Paramount has no big IP. Transformers is on its last legs currently, Star Trek does ridiculously low business OS, Terminator is on its 3rd reboot now, TMNT2 killed that franchise for a while. The only live IP they have is Mission Impossible. Its a pretty bad situation since studios are currently surviving on IP, Paramount lost Marvel and Dreamworks in the same year and Transformers took a huge nosedive as well. A studio struggling to reach 500M domestic for the year after having 12 releases is crazy, less then 50M per year is required and they are still not able to meet that requirement.

Starving for an IP to work is a good way to put it, I mean

Transformers 7	Paramount	6/28/19
Top Gun (2019)	Paramount	7/12/19
Untitled Terminator Project	Paramount	7/26/19
The SpongeBob Movie	Paramount	8/2/19
Beverly Hills Cop (2016) Paramount TBD The Brazilian Job (a.k.a. The Italian Job II) Paramount TBD Friday the 13th (2016) Paramount TBD       Terminator 2 (2017) Paramount TBD Terminator 3 (2018) Paramount TBD

 

Not sure how many of those will happen but, Italian job 2, Friday the 13th, Beverly hills cops, terminator's, Top Gun, Transformer, spongebob, etc... does not sound fresh even that production hell WWZ 2 is not an easy sell. And who knows when MI will have is nose dive, I mean it cannot goes to 8 like fast and furious without injecting an equivalent to Dwayne Johnson/ramping up to the ridicule like they did and that is not some magic easy to repeat.

 

That said that the studio that will give us Annihilation and they have the interesting Cloverfield franchise model going on.

[B D Joe]

I'm less interested in Stranger Things 2 after It.

[Alli]

3 minutes ago, Barnack said:

Starving for an IP to work is a good way to put it, I mean

Transformers 7	Paramount	6/28/19
Top Gun (2019)	Paramount	7/12/19
Untitled Terminator Project	Paramount	7/26/19
The SpongeBob Movie	Paramount	8/2/19
Beverly Hills Cop (2016) Paramount TBD The Brazilian Job (a.k.a. The Italian Job II) Paramount TBD Friday the 13th (2016) Paramount TBD       Terminator 2 (2017) Paramount TBD Terminator 3 (2018) Paramount TBD

 

Not sure how many of those will happen but, Italian job 2, Friday the 13th, Beverly hills cops, terminator's, Top Gun, Transformer, spongebob, etc... does not sound fresh even that production hell WWZ 2 is not an easy sell. And who knows when MI will have is nose dive, I mean it cannot goes to 8 like fast and furious without injecting an equivalent to Dwayne Johnson/ramping up to the ridicule like they did and that is not some magic easy to repeat.

 

That said that the studio that will give us Annihilation and they have the interesting Cloverfield franchise model going on.

Good god, that is depressing. and why did they put Terminator two weeks after Top gun 2?

[grey ghost]

1 hour ago, filmlover said:

Suburbicon has to be one of the biggest blunders in years. How the hell did so many talented people get together and this was the result?

 

Thank You for Your Service bombing hard is completely unsurprising.

 Has there been any middle America movies to do well since American Sniper?

 

Cause Hollywood keeps trying to fill that niche again.

 

 

Edited October 27, 2017 by grey ghost

[Plain Old Tele]

Watching a ton of trailers before a movie is only fun if you haven't seen them before OR they're some of your favorite movies. Otherwise it becomes a slog... fast.

 

Paramount will be fine in the long run.

 

I over-estimated JIGSAW wildly, but that's what happens when you don't pay attention to a franchise and have to scramble to finish your preseason predictions.

[grey ghost]

49 minutes ago, WrathOfHan said:

Paramount needs to take a good look at their slate and fix what kind of movies they put out. Their years are basically divided into two sections: blockbusters for the first 9 months of the year, then Oscar films for the last 3 months with MAYBE a family film. They should honestly just ditch blockbusters and focus on lower budget fare. It's what they're best at and would give them even more respect among filmmakers. 

That's a good way to go bankrupt.

 

Nobody wants to admit it but it's the blockbuster tentpoles that keep the lights on and pays the bills.

[aabattery]

2 minutes ago, Squadron Leader Tele said:

Watching a ton of trailers before a movie is only fun if you haven't seen them before OR they're some of your favorite movies. Otherwise it becomes a slog... fast.

 

Paramount will be fine in the long run.

 

I over-estimated JIGSAW wildly, but that's what happens when you don't pay attention to a franchise and have to scramble to finish your preseason predictions.

 

Comedy trailers age like fine milk. Having three in a row yesterday was dreadful.