Barnack Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Brainiac5 said: You have to use that Analogy to every film ever made. We y’all about Multipliers because they tell us how films are received and there’s no special cases. Some are and it is a giant mistake to just use multiplier to look at word of mouth. All multiplier come with an *, release date, 3-4 days weekend, size of the opening, genre and so on. Dark Knight only did 3.33, if you remove the OW size, the genre, being a sequel, etc... there is really nothing special here, the Boss Baby had a better multiplier..... One example that make it clear of the mistake at looking at the multiplier alone, is the Hunger Games series: Total OW Legs Ratio The Hunger Games: Mockingjay - Part 2 $281,723,902.00 $ 102,665,981.00 $179,057,921.00 2.74408 The Hunger Games: Mockingjay - Part 1 $337,135,885.00 $ 121,897,634.00 $215,238,251.00 2.76573 The Hunger Games: Catching Fire $424,668,047.00 $ 158,074,286.00 $266,593,761.00 2.68651 The Hunger Games $408,010,692.00 $ 152,535,747.00 $255,474,945.00 2.67485 Would you say Part 1 & 2 had the best reception and word of mouth, they have not only the best multiplier but they did so while being farther in the franchise ? Or no, obviously legs of 266m for Catching Fire are clearly the best of the franchise and that was the entry that had the best reception, the bigger multiplier of the MJs are purely due to a smaller opening weekend and less excitement to see it right away at release weekends. Edited December 7, 2017 by Barnack 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalismanRing Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 3 hours ago, Sam said: WB is always so quick with the numbers while other studios take their time lol. Especially Disney. They're estimates and then they give the actuals usually later in the day than anyone. 28 minutes ago, RamblinRed said: This issue there is that starting at a point 30M less gives you an exponential difference in final result. A 30M difference with a 2.6 multiplier is over 75M in final result. That and it had Thanksgiving in it second week instead of 4th which almost always boosts a films multiplier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojoguy Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 With The Last Jedi coming out, JL isn't going to end up in the top 10 Worldwide this year. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krissykins Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, Mojoguy said: With The Last Jedi coming out, JL isn't going to end up in the top 10 Worldwide this year. Pathetic. What’s Last Jedi got to do with it? IT is #10 with $694m which Justice League won’t get to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojoguy Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 What’s Last Jedi got to do with it? IT is #10 with $694m which Justice League won’t get to. The Last Jedi killed any tiny hope that it could. The Last Jedi is basically going to bury JL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamblinRed Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 hour ago, YourMother the Edgelord said: JL might get to $250M after all. Very unlikely barring something unforeseen, right now its dailies would put it at about 242-243, based on how it is playing relative to FB. Probably finishes close to 240 as TLJ is likely to impact it more negatively than R1 impacted FB. Comparing it to SS and BvS for legs is not really the best comparison because they were released at different times of the year that have different typical legs. JL is in a time period where legs are naturally longer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalismanRing Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Just now, Mojoguy said: The Last Jedi killed any tiny hope that it could. The Last Jedi is basically going to bury JL. TLJ has nothing to do with JL's B.O performance and It and Coco would have kept it out of top 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainiac5 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Barnack said: Some are and it is a giant mistake to just use multiplier to look at word of mouth. All multiplier come with an *, release date, 3-4 days weekend, size of the opening, genre and so on. Dark Knight only did 3.33, if you remove the OW size, the genre, being a sequel, etc... there is really nothing special here, the Boss Baby had a better multiplier..... One example that make it clear of the mistake at looking at the multiplier alone, is the Hunger Games series: Total OW Legs Ratio The Hunger Games: Mockingjay - Part 2 $281,723,902.00 $ 102,665,981.00 $179,057,921.00 2.74408 The Hunger Games: Mockingjay - Part 1 $337,135,885.00 $ 121,897,634.00 $215,238,251.00 2.76573 The Hunger Games: Catching Fire $424,668,047.00 $ 158,074,286.00 $266,593,761.00 2.68651 The Hunger Games $408,010,692.00 $ 152,535,747.00 $255,474,945.00 2.67485 Would you say Part 1 & 2 had the best reception and word of mouth, they have not only the best multiplier but they did so while being farther in the franchise ? Or no, obviously legs of 266m for Catching Fire are clearly the best of the franchise and that was the entry that had the best reception, the bigger multiplier of the MJs are purely due to a smaller opening weekend and less excitement to see it right away at release weekends. If we are gonna use multipier to determine Reception then let’s use them without having our picks and chooses. BVS had a 1.99x and many were saying how that shows it’s Reception now JL has a 2.5X+and we have to come up with all reasons as to why that is so. The film could’ve easily fell off the map but it didn’t ,In fact the Dailies have caught up with BVS and the 4th weekend could be over its 4th weekend. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grey ghost Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Most people agree tha JL was a major improvement from BvS. That doesn't mean it ranks high among superhero movies this year. It could have decent legs simply because expectations were so low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms Lady Hawk Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Brainiac5 said: If we are gonna use multipier to determine Reception then let’s use them without having our picks and chooses. BVS had a 1.99x and many were saying how that shows it’s Reception now JL has a 2.5X+and we have to come up with all reasons as to why that is so. The film could’ve easily fell off the map but it didn’t ,In fact the Dailies have caught up with BVS and the 4th weekend could be over its 4th weekend. Amen! Every JL number or possible positive outlook always comes with a spin. However, the negatives are taken at face value. Unreal! Jl’s opening weekend was beyond disappointing. I wouldn’t try to spin it and state that we should not compare it to Avengers (as many have done) because it opened in a time of year that is less advantageous to out of this world openings for super hero flicks. Moreover, maybe Thor’s multiplier should also be mitigated because multipliers are bigger this time of year? No way, that movie earned every penny and there should be no spinning. Just goes to show that spinning can go both ways. Edited December 7, 2017 by Ms Lady Hawk 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeeSoh Posted December 7, 2017 Author Share Posted December 7, 2017 31% drop from yesterday and 23.5% drop for last Wednesday Wonder grossed $958K on Wednesday. 20-Day total stands at $90.83M.#WonderTheMovie #ChooseKind #BoxOffice @Lionsgate @WonderTheMovie— BoxOfficeReport.com (@BORReport) December 7, 2017 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainiac5 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, grey ghost said: Most people agree tha JL was a major improvement from BvS. That doesn't mean it ranks high among superhero movies this year. It could have decent legs simply because expectations were so low. Mediocre is pretty much every CBM this year Imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojoguy Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 TLJ has nothing to do with JL's B.O performance and It and Coco would have kept it out of top 10 Blaming TLJ for stuff makes me feel better. LEAVE ME ALONE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zackzack Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 37 minutes ago, Mojoguy said: The Last Jedi killed any tiny hope that it could. The Last Jedi is basically going to bury JL. LJ is gonna bury JL? Do you see that symmetry? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a2k Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 26% drop on MOTOE. Great hold considering Tue bump was big. 2017/11/29 5 $824,297 -31% 3,152 $262 $77,221,227 20 2017/11/30 5 $851,286 +3% 3,152 $270 $78,072,513 21 2017/12/01 6 $2,029,639 +138% 3,201 $634 $80,102,152 22 2017/12/02 6 $2,970,196 +46% 3,201 $928 $83,072,348 23 2017/12/03 6 $1,767,167 -41% 3,201 $552 $84,839,515 24 2017/12/04 5 $581,538 -67% 3,201 $182 $85,421,053 25 2017/12/05 5 $887,502 +53% 3,201 $277 $86,308,555 26 2017/12/06 - $653,208 -26% 3,201 $204 $86,961,763 27 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainiac5 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, Mojoguy said: Blaming TLJ for stuff makes me feel better. LEAVE ME ALONE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnack Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 10 minutes ago, Brainiac5 said: If we are gonna use multipier to determine Reception then let’s use them without having our picks and chooses. BVS had a 1.99x and many were saying how that shows it’s Reception now JL has a 2.5X+and we have to come up with all reasons as to why that is so. The film could’ve easily fell off the map but it didn’t ,In fact the Dailies have caught up with BVS and the 4th weekend could be over its 4th weekend. You starting to sound like this was some kind of games, with scoring and looser and winners, etc... No we will obviously not use multiplier has some end of it all without looking at context blindly. I mean look at those multiplier: Dark Knight: 3.33 Wonder Woman: 4 Shrek: 6.32 Passenger : 6.71 Hidden Figures: 7.407 Blind Side: 7.52 Girl with a dragoon tattoo: 8.00 Is some giant multiplier simply due to an extremely small opening weekend due to the Christmas day placement for some of those release ? While some others achieved crazy multiplier because they had A+ type cinemascore reception ? Some smaller than other because of the size of the OW and not because of the word of mouth quality ? Or would you rank them like that, audience reception of those movies goes the worst for Dark Knight to the best for Dragon Tattoo ? We will pick and choose, we will interpret data in the best possible ways, they are not baseball score with us trying to pick a winner. BvS 1.99x was certainly a tell about it's reception (and that showed on is massive OW drop for it's sequel). 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeeSoh Posted December 7, 2017 Author Share Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) 36.5% drop from yesterday and 21% off from last Wednesday. Better WoW hold than Moana and about 200k ahead in dailies Coco grossed $1.58M on Wednesday. 15-Day total stands at $115.67M.#PixarCoco #BoxOffice @DisneyPixar @pixarcoco — BoxOfficeReport.com (@BORReport) December 7, 2017 Edited December 7, 2017 by ZeeSoh 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeeSoh Posted December 7, 2017 Author Share Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) 28.2% drop from yesterday and 20% off from last Wednesday Thor: Ragnarok grossed $734K on Wednesday. 34-Day total stands at $294.14M.#ThorRagnarok #BoxOffice @MarvelStudios @thorofficial — BoxOfficeReport.com (@BORReport) December 7, 2017 Edited December 7, 2017 by ZeeSoh 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalismanRing Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 6 minutes ago, Brainiac5 said: Mediocre is pretty much every CBM this year Imho. So the new plan is to drag everything down to JL's level to make yourself feel better for JL's failure - commercially and artistically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
