Venom | 5 OCTOBER 2018 | Sony | Tom Hardy is Venom. Social Media reactions coming in

[AndyK]

[MrGlass2]

Venom could do Hulk numbers domestically ($134M), a lot better OS (>>$128M); and it would be enough to be profitable if it is as cheap as rumored.

[Arlborn]

3 hours ago, Zakiyyah6 said:

Better legs than BvS does not mean GOOD legs. There is a reason that we aren't getting a Suicide Squad 2 in 2019.  You and some others continue to argue against what the actual studio is doing. WB took the best element from Suicide Squad and is sticking it into another film with a completely different director for a reason and it wasn't because Suicide Squad was a well received film. I hate to keep explaining the same thing over and over again but here we are.

I'm not sure he called its legs "good" though, did he? It's just average for super-hero movies, which means the reception among the GA wasn't nearly as bad as the reception among critics in my opinion. Critics in general really hated Suicide Squad, pretty much like they're hating Venom.

[TalismanRing]

3 minutes ago, Arlborn said:

I'm not sure he called its legs "good" though, did he? It's just average for super-hero movies, which means the reception among the GA wasn't nearly as bad as the reception among critics in my opinion. Critics in general really hated Suicide Squad, pretty much like they're hating Venom.

It wasn't avg for SH films that played in the summer though - let alone in August.  For comparison's sake - F4 in August did a 2.18

 

One might as well compare the multis of Dec releases to Sept releases.

 

 

[WittyUsername]

I suppose if you want to add further insult to injury for this movie, the TV show Titans, which was also ridiculed by the Internet quite a bit, is actually getting generally positive reviews so far. 

[Firepower]

8 minutes ago, WittyUsername said:

I suppose if you want to add further insult to injury for this movie, the TV show Titans, which was also ridiculed by the Internet quite a bit, is actually getting generally positive reviews so far. 

Even Supergirl got positive reviews from critics, this means nothing.

[AJG]

8 minutes ago, WittyUsername said:

I suppose if you want to add further insult to injury for this movie, the TV show Titans, which was also ridiculed by the Internet quite a bit, is actually getting generally positive reviews so far. 

 

I just saw. Might gonna have to watch it now. 

[ZeeSoh]

1 hour ago, AndyK said:

It also had better legs than than IM3 and AoU.

 

So it's pretty much in the middle for a CBM.

Of the 49 SH movies that I tallied which had Friday releases (in the last 2 decades, since Xmen came out), SS had the 35th highest leg. Or the 15th worst. 

 

For an August release and a month of hardly any competition, thats not a great multi. Its one of the worst for a July/August SH movie (except Fant4stic and TASM2)

[MrGlass2]

5 minutes ago, ZeeSoh said:

Of the 49 SH movies that I tallied which had Friday releases (in the last 2 decades, since Xmen came out), SS had the 35th highest leg. Or the 15th worst. 

Just how low was Civil War?

[SteveJaros]

Bad reviews? I'm seeing "Venom" in 3D tomorrow anyway, LOL.  

[WittyUsername]

19 minutes ago, Firepower said:

Even Supergirl got positive reviews from critics, this means nothing.

Supergirl is a fairly successful show.

 

Anyway, we’re getting off topic here. 

[AndyK]

19 minutes ago, ZeeSoh said:

Of the 49 SH movies that I tallied which had Friday releases (in the last 2 decades, since Xmen came out), SS had the 35th highest leg. Or the 15th worst. 

 

For an August release and a month of hardly any competition, thats not a great multi. Its one of the worst for a July/August SH movie (except Fant4stic and TASM2)

I'm ENTP, it's not my fault !

[MrGlass2]

is a metaphor for the fight between YouTube (110M+ views) and RT (28%).

Edited October 4, 2018 by MrGlass2

[Barnack]

10 hours ago, AJG said:

A good comparison for this movie is Netflix’s Bright.

 

The first time you watch it it’s quite decent. It’s loud, funny, fun, the action is good. 

 

Then you watch it again and realise you’ve been duped. The flaws are way too apparent. You realise there’s barely a story, the dialogue is off, things don’t make sense. The stuff you could easily ignore the first time now can’t be ignored.

 

and that’s Venom. It’s a movie that shouldn’t ever be watched twice.

That sound over the top generous for Bright, all the issue you name are so giant in it that it is a first time you watch it you see the flaw like is suicide squad, thus the critic reaction for both (critic saw the movie only one time).

Edited October 4, 2018 by Barnack

[Lucasmessi12]

41 minutes ago, ZeeSoh said:

Of the 49 SH movies that I tallied which had Friday releases (in the last 2 decades, since Xmen came out), SS had the 35th highest leg. Or the 15th worst. 

 

For an August release and a month of hardly any competition, thats not a great multi. Its one of the worst for a July/August SH movie (except Fant4stic and TASM2)

Yeah, but Civil war legs are awesome!

[The Futurist]

Please BOT members, stop comparing "legs" of 190m openers with 60, 100, 130M openers.

Spare yourself the embarassment of doing so.

Thanks.

 

[ZeeSoh]

23 minutes ago, Lucasmessi12 said:

Yeah, but Civil war legs are awesome!

I’d prefer not being quoted by someone with such an idiotic post as yourself for something I (or anyone else) have never said. TYVM. 

[Captain Craig]

I was not impressed with the trailer spots at all.

The early Twitter responses bolstered my assessment that this is worse than I thought. 

Perhaps what that did was set my bar even lower? I don't know for sure right now.

I had tickets to a screener showing of Venom last night. It played to a 300+ seater packed out except the very front row.

Call this damning with faint praise if you will or "that's not saying much" but here goes.....

Venom wasn't that bad. Venom wasn't AS dreadful as the hyperbole Twitter is spouting and is frankly what I was prepared to buy into. 

 

Grade: B-

 

The first Act is slow.

Second Act is funny.

Third Act is action.

 

First Act with Eddie establishing himself as an investigative reporter with poor decision making skills does move slow. If the whole film had been at that pace the film would have been a disaster. 

 

Mid credit sequence that is relevant, stay for that.

Post credit sequence is not, it's just an extended trailer for Into the Spiderverse. 

 

I may go to the Review Forum and post what did work for me but that's spoiler zone.

[MagnarTheGreat]

For the curious. Note that not all movies launched on a weekend, such as TASM, though I haven't gotten around to specifically noting the titles. Sequels are more frontloaded than origins or first entries in general, and the calendar also has an effect, as does the overall opening and box office.

 

Live-action Comic Book Superhero Movies (2008 – 2018)	Multiplier (DG ÷ FW)	90% of Gross on Day	Domestic Gross	First Weekend	Release Month
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice	1.99	18	$330.4M	$166.0M	Mar. 2016
X-Men Origins: Wolverine	2.11	24	$179.9M	$85.1M	May 2009
Kick-Ass 2	2.16	17	$28.8M	$13.3M	Aug. 2013
Fantastic Four	2.18	20	$56.1M	$25.7M	Aug. 2015
Green Lantern	2.19	20	$116.6M	$53.2M	Jun. 2011
The Amazing Spider-Man 2	2.21	24	$202.9M	$91.6M	May 2014
Captain America: Civil War	2.28	23	$408.1M	$179.1M	May 2016
Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance	2.34	22	$51.8M	$22.1M	Feb. 2012
Iron Man 3	2.35	25	$409.0M	$174.1M	May 2013
X-Men: Apocalypse	2.36	20	$155.4M	$65.8M	May 2016
Avengers: Age of Ultron	2.40	26	$459.0M	$191.3M	May 2015
Kick-Ass	2.42	20	$48.1M	$19.8M	Apr. 2010
Suicide Squad	2.43	30	$325.1M	$133.7M	Aug. 2016
The Incredible Hulk	2.43	23	$134.8M	$55.4M	Jun. 2008
Iron Man 2	2.44	27	$312.4M	$128.1M	May 2010
Justice League	2.44	23	$229.0M	$93.8M	Nov. 2017
Man of Steel	2.50	22	$291.0M	$116.6M	Jun. 2013
The Wolverine	2.50	24	$132.6M	$53.1M	Jul. 2013
Deadpool 2*	2.54	29	$318.5M	$125.5M	May 2018
Logan	2.56	26	$226.3M	$88.4M	Mar. 2017
Thor: Ragnarok	2.57	29	$315.1M	$122.7M	Nov. 2017
X-Men: Days of Future Past	2.58	28	$233.9M	$90.8M	May 2014
Avengers: Infinity War	2.63	30	$678.8M	$257.7M	Apr. 2018
X-Men: First Class	2.66	24	$146.4M	$55.1M	Jun. 2011
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2	2.66	30	$389.8M	$146.5M	May 2017
Captain America: The First Avenger	2.72	26	$176.7M	$65.1M	Jul. 2011
Captain America: The Winter Soldier	2.73	30	$259.8M	$95.0M	Apr. 2014
Doctor Strange	2.74	29	$232.6M	$85.1M	Nov. 2016
Deadpool	2.74	31	$363.1M	$132.4M	Feb. 2016
Thor	2.75	26	$181.0M	$65.7M	May 2011
The Dark Knight Rises	2.79	30	$448.1M	$160.9M	Jul. 2012
Ant-Man and the Wasp*	2.85	31	$216.2M	$75.8M	Jul. 2018
Spider-Man: Homecoming	2.86	36	$334.2M	$117.0M	Jul. 2017
Marvel’s The Avengers	3.01	35	$623.4M	$207.4M	May 2012
Ant-Man	3.15	37	$180.2M	$57.2M	Jul. 2015
Iron Man	3.23	37	$318.4M	$98.6M	May 2008
The Dark Knight	3.37	36	$533.3M	$158.4M	Jul. 2008
Black Panther	3.47	38	$700.1M	$202.0M	Feb. 2018
Guardians of the Galaxy	3.53	43	$333.2M	$94.3M	Aug. 2014
Wonder Woman	4.00	41	$412.6M	$103.3M	Jun. 2017
The Amazing Spider-Man	4.23	25	$262.0M	$62.0M	Jul. 2012
average of table	2.70	28
median of table	2.57	27
* numbers are not final / still in theaters
display of dollars rounded to nearest hundred thousand
this is an incomplete work-in-progress / numbers current as of October 2, 2018

 

Calendar effect

Release Month	Average Multiplier	Median Multiplier	Release Month	Average Multiplier	Median Multiplier
January	2.88	2.66	July	3.30	3.22
February	2.81	2.73	August	3.22	3.00
March	3.02	2.89	September	2.87	2.75
April	2.76	2.65	October	3.02	2.75
May	2.95	2.82	November	3.43	3.23
June	3.13	3.01	December	5.45	4.76
all (1025 movies)				3.21	2.93
excludes 2018 releases
highest month in blue; lowest month in red
numbers from top opening domestic earners (2008-2017) as of August 16, 2018

Edited October 4, 2018 by MagnarTheGreat

[tonytr87]

7 hours ago, AndyK said:

Suicide Squad did neither

I wouldnt hang your hat on a 2.4 multi, regardless of how big it opened.