The Flash | June 16 2023 | Ezra Miller, Michael Keaton | We’re stoping the count at a Nice 69% RT (it’s 72% For Real) | Please Remember that Your Enjoyment Of The Film is Not Based On Others Opinions And To Be Nice To Each Other

[dudalb]

6 hours ago, SpiderByte said:

I think it's clear now the Cinemacon reviews were strong because they assumed the CGI was unfinished and not the final product.

The wonky CGI was a long way from being the only flaw the movie had.

[ZattMurdock]

This explains a whole lot about the Cinemacon tweets.

[ChipDerby]

Again, the CGI was mostly fine lol. The only VFX that was "bad" was the opening scene (that, again, seemed intentionally played for laughs).

 

The speedforce was clearly an artistic choice. Almost all the fighting/running looked really good.

[AJG]

5 minutes ago, ChipDerby said:

Again, the CGI was mostly fine lol. The only VFX that was "bad" was the opening scene (that, again, seemed intentionally played for laughs).

 

The speedforce was clearly an artistic choice. Almost all the fighting/running looked really good.

The CG Babies. The entire third act action scene. The faces deepfaked onto CG heads and bodies. The CG masks. The CG army guys. The CG villain army. The speed force looking like Pre-Viz. The cameos (the living actors being present for filming but still looking fake is madness. Being able to tell which Barry is real, and which is a stand in at nearly every turn. 
 

Im not one to complain about “bad” CGI either, films like Cats was completely fine to me. They were poorly designed, but not a disaster. The Flash is a totally different beast. Just an ugly, ugly film.

[ChipDerby]

lmao ok dude

[AJG]

Oh dear. Looks like this movie actually tested well. For the critics to sense something’s fishy with The Flash, and then for audience to just reject the movie as they did implies there might be a problem with the way WB are conducting these studies.

 

 

 

 

 

[ZattMurdock]

10 minutes ago, AJG said:

Oh dear. Looks like this movie actually tested well. For the critics to sense something’s fishy with The Flash, and then for audience to just reject the movie as they did implies there might be a problem with the way WB are conducting these studies.

 

 

 

 

 

It’s actually quite easy to understand. Imagine that you were part of one of those test screening audiences. Clearly, your opinion is the most prevalent instead of Chip’s, meaning that you throughly didn’t like the VFX. WB peeps tell you that this is an unfinished product and that they will be working on VFX and what not. People that were told that back in April and saw the finished product were shocked to find out that the effects actually never got reworked at all, they got the same film people watched as the final product other than the film’s post credit scene stinger.
 

You said it that you enjoyed but the film is ugly at a whole different level. Add this to the fact that most people don’t care about the DCEU, the fact that arguably the best multiverse superhero film of all time had just came out and that well no one is truly attached to Flash like people are with Spider-Man, Doctor Strange and hell even Ant-Man and to top that the over the top claims that it was one of the best superhero films of all time and the result is what we’ve seen at the box office the last week.

Edited June 23, 2023 by ZattMurdock

[ChipDerby]

It's very weird how a movie that has a $200 mil budget can make $300 mil worldwide but lose... $300 mil?

[John Marston]

12 hours ago, SpiderByte said:

I think it's clear now the Cinemacon reviews were strong because they assumed the CGI was unfinished and not the final product.

 

 

also people who jizzed their pants over Keaton saying "you want to get nuts?" 

[WorkingonaName]

THINGS I KNOW!!!!

[PrinceRico]

I liked this movie even though it’s a mess but it’s really nice to see audiences rejecting Miller and not supporting him. The WB standing by him and the director saying nobody bur Miller can play the flash was a big mistake.

[SpiderByte]

7 hours ago, dudalb said:

The wonky CGI was a long way from being the only flaw the movie had.

No but it does explain why it didn't come up at all then when it's more prevalent in the final reviews

[ListenHunnyUrOver]

People rightfully reject Ezra Miller, but then people stand by people like Tom Cruise and flock to his movies when the Church of Scientology is guilty of more violence and sexual abuse than Ezra could ever commit. 

[Dominic Draper]

Changing the ending of the film I think was a massive mistake. It's a very poorly thought out ending, and really undermines the film. I think it's definitely playing a part in the reception.

 

 

[poweranimals]

8 hours ago, Dominic Draper said:

Changing the ending of the film I think was a massive mistake. It's a very poorly thought out ending, and really undermines the film. I think it's definitely playing a part in the reception.

 

 

What exactly was changed?

[Human]

70.26% drop not accounting for Thursday previews.  Just awful.

[PlatnumRoyce]

1 hour ago, poweranimals said:

What exactly was changed?

 

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Supergirl and Keaton were shown to be alive and well at the end of all but the final (non-focus group tested) cut of the film.

 

The other characters who are at the courthouse changed (Cavil, Gadot, and I think Momoa)  but the film ended with Flash  ruiniting with the supporting characters of this specific movie whose deaths were reversed. 

Also, the initial initial versions planned to have an erased from existence Affleck tease a countdown to Justice League: Criss on Infinite Earths. Not exactly sure how that fit into this scene. 

 

The Clooney gag presumably doesn't mean anything to a lot of people because the joke is entirely meta-commentary instead of based on the text of the film you just watched. 

 

Edited June 24, 2023 by PlatnumRoyce

[WittyUsername]

19 minutes ago, PlatnumRoyce said:

 

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Supergirl and Keaton were shown to be alive and well at the end of all but the final (non-focus group tested) cut of the film.

 

The other characters who are at the courthouse changed (Cavil, Gadot, and I think Momoa)  but the film ended with Flash  ruiniting with the supporting characters of this specific movie whose deaths were reversed. 

Also, the initial initial versions planned to have an erased from existence Affleck tease a countdown to Justice League: Criss on Infinite Earths. Not exactly sure how that fit into this scene. 

 

The Clooney gag presumably doesn't mean anything to a lot of people because the joke is entirely meta-commentary instead of based on the text of the film you just watched. 

 

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The Crisis tease with Affleck was supposed to be a post-credits scene. Barry would come home after hanging out with Aquaman at the bar, and would see a video message on his computer of Batman telling him to “come find us.” That obviously would’ve had to be cut no matter what, since Gunn is going in a different direction, but I don’t think there was any point in replacing either of the first two endings with Clooney.
 

They supposedly cut the endings with Keaton at the end because they were sequel bait, but some people apparently got the impression that the Clooney ending was supposed to set up James Gunny’s new DCU, to the point where he had to tell people on Twitter how that won’t be the case. With that in mind, what was even the point, other than to troll the audience? 

 

[PlatnumRoyce]

11 minutes ago, WittyUsername said:

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The Crisis tease with Affleck was supposed to be a post-credits scene. Barry would come home after hanging out with Aquaman at the bar, and would see a video message on his computer of Batman telling him to “come find us.” That obviously would’ve had to be cut no matter what, since Gunn is going in a different direction, but I don’t think there was any point in replacing either of the first two endings with Clooney.
 

They supposedly cut the endings with Keaton at the end because they were sequel bait, but some people apparently got the impression that the Clooney ending was supposed to set up James Gunny’s new DCU, to the point where he had to tell people on Twitter how that won’t be the case. With that in mind, what was even the point, other than to troll the audience? 

 

I think it's clearly partially

 

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It's the same reason Marvel cast the X-Men's version of Quicksilver as a fake Quicksilver in WandaVision. A thought that meta-trolling is funny. 

but also 

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trying to not promise more Supergirl, Keaton OR AFFLECK content. Really, the obvious "none of these characters are continuing" movie would be to bring Affleck back and wrap a bow on this but that seems potentially messy because General audience knows Affleck was fired a half decade ago and they're literally about to reboot.  

 

I can see how ending the Flash on something related to non-Flash characters is just inherently tricky given they're currently in limbo. 

[ListenHunnyUrOver]

22 hours ago, AJG said:

Oh dear. Looks like this movie actually tested well. For the critics to sense something’s fishy with The Flash, and then for audience to just reject the movie as they did implies there might be a problem with the way WB are conducting these studies.

 

 

 

 

 

Test screenings are the new political polling numbers. Always a bit off, and don’t give you the full picture. Could the divide be between Coastal audiences who go to test screenings and the more Middle America crowd?