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Captain America: Brave New World | February 14, 2025 | Harrison Ford is General Thaddeus "Thunderbolt" Ross

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2 hours ago, Hatebox said:

So... is this new title in some way a nod to Huxley's book or is it just as simple as Captain America: A Clean Slate?

It's probably going to be completely nonsensical as a nod to Huxley but it wants to capture a dystopian vibe. 

 

Given that both "Brave New World" and "New World Order" share connotations of both "something new is being created" and "elite controlled dystopia," I imagine both are ideas the title is intended to convey. 

I highly doubt there's any real nods to Huxley's book (which, in the elevator pitch, could be presented as a utopian vision as opposed to a dystopian one) and suspect they just got more blowback for NWO title than they wanted and went in search of a replacement.    

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Hulk can now be produced and distributed by Marvel Studios.

 

I’m hyped as fuck for a new Hulk film, with Brave New World playing with Hulk elements, maybe Marvel Studios had a plan all along for the Big Guy going full blown World War Hulk but we just couldn’t see it. Exciting times…

 

 

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14 hours ago, SpiderByte said:

Given the changes made to the Planet Hulk story in Ragnarok any adaptation of World War Hulk would have to be very broad to just "a story that involves the Hulk"

Kill his kid. Make him go mad at some government to the point that we have a Hulk more pissed off than he ever was. Done.

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9 hours ago, ZattMurdock said:

Kill his kid. Make him go mad at some government to the point that we have a Hulk more pissed off than he ever was. Done.

I don't think that works unless like the Avengers do it. A big part of World War Hulk was that he got sent to space on purpose

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About how secretive the casting process for Captain America: The Winter Soldier was, how he pursued Marvel for the Black Panther role, thinking he was playing Black Panther only to find out he was actually cast as Sam Wilson:

 

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Anthony Mackie thought he was the Black Panther.


Before he was cast as Sam Wilson (aka Falcon) in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Mackie was already a rising star. One of his first jobs after graduating from Juilliard in 2001 was as Don Cheadle’s understudy in a 2002 off-Broadway play. The same year, he played the main antagonist in 8 Mile, and went on to work with directors Spike Lee (She Hate Me, 2004) and Kathryn Bigelow (The Hurt Locker, 2008). He delighted in Real Steel, the beloved 2011 Hugh Jackman sci-fi drama about boxing robots. (On that note, Mackie says he calls director Shawn Levy once or twice a year to push for the long-overdue sequel: “It was supposed to be a trilogy. It was supposed to be three or four movies together.”) Then, in the early 2010s, Mackie set his sights on Marvel.

 

“I had been contacting Marvel a lot about Black Panther,” he says. “I had written them letters. I was trying to find a way to make them make Black Panther. And I wanted to be Black Panther because growing up I f*cking loved Black Panther.”

 

Finally, he got his shot. The studio called his manager and set up a meeting between Mackie, longtime Marvel producer Nate Moore, and Joe and Anthony Russo (the director duo behind two Captain America movies and two Avengers movies, but notably not Black Panther).

The meeting was exactly what you might expect from the ultra-secretive Marvel Cinematic Universe. The foursome met at a stereotypical Los Angeles hotel and sat outside by a swimming pool. It was “hot as f*ck” and “some random lady” was tanning in the corner. After some small talk, Mackie received the cryptic words that would change the course of his career.

“I’ll never forget, Joe Russo said, ‘Listen, so we’re doing this movie. We want you to be in it. We can’t say what character you’re playing or who else is going to be in it. Would you do it?’ And that was it.” Mackie kept his cool. “I was like, ‘You know what, I like y’all dudes. I’ll do it. I’ll go on this ride with you.’”

 

It wasn’t until a few weeks later that Mackie learned he wasn’t playing Prince T’Challa. At the time, he figured that Black Panther was the only option for a major Black role in a Marvel movie. He definitely didn’t think he’d wind up as Captain America’s sidekick, let alone eventually take the star-spangled shield for himself.

“What other major comic book figure has enough of a presence to have his own movie? So when they hit me up and they were like, ‘Yo, so it’s Sam Wilson,’ I’m like, ‘Really?’”


 

About taking over as Captain America and  the title change from New World Order to Brave New World:

 

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The rest is superhero movie history. Mackie got the breakout role in Marvel’s Captain America sequel, a conspiracy-fueled political thriller still considered to be the peak of MCU filmmaking by many. Plus four more movies after that, and then The Falcon and The Winter Soldier, a spin-off Disney+ show across from longtime co-star Sebastian Stan. Now, he’s got the lead role in Captain America: Brave New World, formerly known as Captain America: New World Order. I ask Mackie about the recent title change, but he claims ignorance: “I have no idea. They were like, ‘We’re changing the title.’ I was like, ‘All right, let’s do it.’ So that was it.”

 

 

About his take on Sam Wilson as Captain America and Chris Evans chimes in about Anthony becoming Captain America:

 

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The fourth Captain America movie (currently slated for July 26, 2024) is a huge deal for Marvel. Not only does it mark the return of a beloved subfranchise, but it’s the first time the studio will pass the torch from one of its original Avengers cast to a new actor in a major motion picture. This might be the fourth Captain America movie, but it’s the first Anthony Mackie/Sam Wilson movie, following a Chris Evans/Steve Rogers trilogy. If it works, Marvel could apply the same approach to other uber-recognizable characters like Iron Man and Thor.

 

“There’s a huge amount of pressure,” Mackie says. “You throw my dumb ass in the water, and you’re like, ‘Swim.’ I'm like, ‘Sh*t.’ But at the same time, it’s all in the state of mind. I’ve been given a great cast. I’ve been given a great group of people who I’ve worked with before.”

 

Mackie’s Sam Wilson lacks one element that defines Captain America: superpowers. Without any unnatural strength or agility, Wilson will have to rely on brains more than brawn (along with his jet-powered glider wings and vibranium shield).

 

“It’s more so about his ability to connect and counsel,” Mackie says of his Captain America. “He’s not as rash to bear arms as Steve Rogers was. Having a super serum makes you impossible to beat, so your answer to everything is to fight it out. Whereas Sam Wilson can actually die pretty easily.”


Mackie points to Sam Wilson’s history as an ex-Air Force pilot who helps other veterans as his defining trait. “He definitely has the ability to, not manipulate, but understand someone’s shortcomings. Give them words of encouragement so that they’re not forced to action. The physical aspect of it is the last resort.”

 

Falcon and the Winter Soldier ends with Sam Wilson thwarting a terrorist attack against a shady political organization, then turning his focus to the politicians, admonishing them to wake up and “do better.” It’s more urgent and more impassioned than the high-minded, inspirational oration that Chris Evans’ Steve Rogers tended to deliver at the climax of each Captain America or Avengers movie.

 

“He realized that his ability is not to change the world with force; it’s about giving people the wherewithal and the recognition that they deserve so that they can make a change,” Mackie says. “I can go around and beat up people all day; it won’t matter. Those people are going to come right back and do the same sh*t.”

 

“[Brave New World] picks up pretty much right after that,” he adds, “with Sam back in the fold of, How do I fit into this superhero world?”

 

One person who’s definitely not worried? Chris Evans. When I ask via email what makes Mackie special, he comes through in true Captain America fashion: “His energy and his versatility. Both as a person and as an actor,” Evans tells Inverse. “I've never seen him tired, and there's nothing he can't do. He’s a true Renaissance man.”


 

About working with Captain America: Brave New World’s newcomer Marvel Studios director Julius Onah and sharing scenes with Harrison Ford:

 

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The Captain America: Brave New World movie makes a few other major changes. For one, there’s a new director in Julius Onah (stepping in for the Russo brothers, who have not had a new Marvel project announced since Avengers: Endgame). Mackie says they have a common understanding — “We agree on a lot of sh*t with the world around us” — and praises the director’s grasp on character and story. As for the action, he’s not worried.

“All the flying, CGI, and all that sh*t. That’s going to happen.”

 

And then there’s Harrison Ford, stepping in as Thunderbolt Ross (a longtime Captain America frenemy) after original actor William Hurt died in 2022. For Mackie, working across from Ford is a full-circle moment. The two appeared together in Hollywood Homicide (a mostly forgotten 2003 action-comedy) where Mackie had a bit role. Now, he’s the star. Not that that made it any easier.

 

“The first day was so intimidating,” Mackie says. “I was so f*cking nervous I couldn’t remember my lines. He’s Harrison f*cking Ford. There is this aura about him. But he dispels that really quickly because he’s such a cool guy. He’s everything a movie star should be. He would say, ‘Let’s shoot this piece of sh*t.’ And everybody was like, ‘Yeah, let’s shoot this sh*t.’” Mackie can’t go into specifics about his scenes with Ford, but he notes that there are plenty of them. “We spent a good bit of time together. Ross and Cap have always had that relationship, where they were friends and they respected each other, but they always bumped heads. That’s their relationship in the storyline.”

 

About what he’d like to do next after this film in the Marvel Cinematic Universe and the looming threat of the multiverse:

 

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 If Mackie gets another Marvel movie after this one, he hopes he can find a way to reunite with his old co-stars Chris Evans and Sebastian Stan. “I would like for the three of us to get in a situation with [Chris] Hemsworth. I think the four of us would literally cause so much havoc.” As for what lies beyond in Marvel’s multiverse, Mackie is as clueless as the rest of us. Or at least, he claims to be. “I’m still trying to figure out the Marvel-verse, or whatever,” he says, referencing the multiverse concept that’s become the driving force in superhero stories both for Marvel and its competitors. “I don’t know. I don’t even know what the multiverse is. Dude, I have no idea what it is. I’m still trying to figure that sh*t out.”


About the embattled actor that plays Kang, Jonathan Majors:

 

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When I ask about the fate of multiverse uber baddie Kang the Conqueror, who has been played by Jonathan Majors — but whose future seems uncertain following allegations of abuse that have cost the actor other roles — Mackie is circumspect.

 

“We’re a country that was built on ‘everyone is innocent until proven guilty,’” he says. “That’s one of the staples of this country. Nothing has been proven about this dude. Nothing. So everyone is innocent until proven guilty. That’s all I can say. It’s crazy where we are as a society. But as a country, everyone is innocent until proven guilty.”

 

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“We spent a good bit of time together. Ross and Cap have always had that relationship, where they were friends and they respected each other, but they always bumped heads. That’s their relationship in the storyline.”

 

WTF?  He had him caged in an underwater prison.   That and he's a huge hypocritical megalomaniac fascist.

 

 

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