WGA/SAGAFTRA Strike Discussion Thread | SAG Ratifies Contract

[Porthos]

3 hours ago, emoviefan said:

This thing will be over when the AMPTP wants or needs it to be over.  Sadly that could be a awhile. 

 

Still think an under-discussed problem is that the AMPTP doesn't all share the same goals (or as Tony Gilroy put it "nothing in common but greed"), so it isn't quite as easy as that.  What one studio may feel comfortable negotiating on another might see as a red line. So it isn't that surprising that they're still following the path of least resistance in an attempt to keep AMPTP unity.

 

Might not see real breakthroughs until either enough studios feel the pain to start setting aside (some of) their own hobby horses that to this point they don't feel like negotiating on or they start ganging up on the holdouts and put pressure on them to get with the program and start compromising.

[AMC Theaters Enjoyer]

 

13 minutes ago, Porthos said:

 

Might not see real breakthroughs until either enough studios feel the pain to start setting aside (some of) their own hobby horses that to this point they don't feel like negotiating on or they start ganging up on the holdouts and put pressure on them to get with the program and start compromising.

Around Labor Day was reported as the time that studios would really start feeling the hurt from the costs of productions shut down, right?

[Porthos]

57 minutes ago, AMC Theaters Enjoyer said:

 

Around Labor Day was reported as the time that studios would really start feeling the hurt from the costs of productions shut down, right?

 

I'm tempted to cite Tele's Maxim ("Nobody Knows Anything"), but I believe I've seen things to that effect (Labor Day Weekend/Mid-September).  What are the consequences though (will studios be more willing to bargain or will they try to tough it out) is more up in the air, IMO.

[MovieMan89]

Do those headlines that people like Iger were “personally offended” (lmao get out of here Bob) by the offer being declined have any merit? If so, AMPTP could be remarkably stubborn to want to negotiate again for some time. 

[emoviefan]

1 hour ago, MovieMan89 said:

Do those headlines that people like Iger were “personally offended” (lmao get out of here Bob) by the offer being declined have any merit? If so, AMPTP could be remarkably stubborn to want to negotiate again for some time. 

It's mind blowing how much damage Iger has done to his reputation these last few months. He was welcomed back on a white horse back on December and he was winning the War with De Satan but it's like we are seeing and hearing about the real Iger now and the mask has slipped off or something. 

[21C]

4 hours ago, Porthos said:

 

Still think an under-discussed problem is that the AMPTP doesn't all share the same goals (or as Tony Gilroy put it "nothing in common but greed"), so it isn't quite as easy as that.  What one studio may feel comfortable negotiating on another might see as a red line. So it isn't that surprising that they're still following the path of least resistance in an attempt to keep AMPTP unity.

 

Might not see real breakthroughs until either enough studios feel the pain to start setting aside (some of) their own hobby horses that to this point they don't feel like negotiating on or they start ganging up on the holdouts and put pressure on them to get with the program and start compromising.

And even in that case it might be easier said that done because the amount of leverage the other studios could have over Amazon and Apple is genuinely extremely small.

[WittyUsername]

Why are Netflix, Apple and Amazon even part of the AMPTP anyway? 

[Porthos]

16 minutes ago, WittyUsername said:

Why are Netflix, Apple and Amazon even part of the AMPTP anyway? 

 

Because they make content for TV?

[Porthos]

23 minutes ago, WittyUsername said:

Why are Netflix, Apple and Amazon even part of the AMPTP anyway? 

 

6 minutes ago, Porthos said:

 

Because they make content for TV?

 

Doing some research, happened in 2021 (Netflix joined the MPAA in 2019).

 

Apple and Amazon were already part of AMPTP by that time.

 

Before then there were separate "Netflix Agreements".

[eddyxx]

On 8/25/2023 at 8:59 PM, Squire said:

The Horror!!!

This is the problem with capitlism. Its a race to the bottom. Outsourcing was a mistake.

[21C]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: If the AMPTP works in such a way in which they need the approval of every single one of their members for a deal to go through, then this shit is doomed and hopeless. This is gonna last way until January 2024 if not longer. Amazon and Apple are NOT going to cave. Their entire entertainment divisions could collapse and they'd barely feel it. The only hope for the industry is that they can be outvoted.

Edited August 27, 2023 by 21C

[Willowra]

Except Netflix and Amazon, all major streaming services are at a loss, not profit, so what profit sharing WGA and SAG are demanding for the next 3 years? For example, D+ won't be making any profit until 2026, so how could Disney share profits with WGA and SAG for the next 3 years when they aren't making any? I agree with their residuals increase & AI demand but profit sharing lmao? Let them make some profit & then demand it.

[Ryan Reynolds]

7 minutes ago, Willowra said:

Except Netflix and Amazon, all major streaming services are at a loss, not profit, so what profit sharing WGA and SAG are demanding for the next 3 years? For example, D+ won't be making any profit until 2026, so how could Disney share profits with WGA and SAG for the next 3 years when they aren't making any? I agree with their residuals increase & AI demand but profit sharing lmao? Let them make some profit & then demand it.

they are losing money on expensive original content , there are lots of licensed shows being shown that are paying pennies in residuals , that is more the issue

[Willowra]

1 minute ago, Ryan Reynolds said:

they are losing money on expensive original content , there are lots of licensed shows being shown that are paying pennies in residuals , that is more the issue

They're losing money overall on their streaming services; they aren't making any profit at present but yes I totally agree with their residuals demand

[Ryan Reynolds]

13 minutes ago, Willowra said:

They're losing money overall on their streaming services; they aren't making any profit at present but yes I totally agree with their residuals demand

frankly unlimited content for $10 a month was a bad business model , the issue is for the those in charge to solve

[ChipDerby]

4 minutes ago, Ryan Reynolds said:

frankly unlimited content for $10 a month was a bad business model , the issue is for the those in charge to solve

 

Disney has what, 42+ mil US subscribers? That's $420 mil/month. That's a bad business model?

[Ryan Reynolds]

12 minutes ago, ChipDerby said:

 

Disney has what, 42+ mil US subscribers? That's $420 mil/month. That's a bad business model?

yes if they are losing money, that is what they tell wallstreet , so not funny accounting , the $10 a month model was a catchup price to get netflix numbers for subscribers

Edited August 27, 2023 by Ryan Reynolds

[WorkingonaName]

8 minutes ago, Ryan Reynolds said:

the $10 a month model was a catchup price to get netflix numbers for subscribers

They just forgot to make content that people want to watch. 

[eddyxx]

4 minutes ago, WorkingonaName said:

They just forgot to make content that people want to watch. 

Only marvel and Star Wars would be fine if the shows were actually good.

 

Only reason I got D+ now is so niece and nephew can watch bluey.

Edited August 27, 2023 by eddyxx

[ChipDerby]

14 minutes ago, Ryan Reynolds said:

yes if they are losing money, that is what they tell wallstreet , so not funny accounting , the $10 a month model was a catchup price to get netflix numbers for subscribers

 

They're not losing money. They're making $420+ mil every month