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[The GOAT]

Netflix has poisoned our water supply, burned our crops, and delivered the plague unto our houses

 

[Elden Lord]

7 hours ago, AniNate said:

 

You'd think they'd be all over Nimona then.

 

The thing is no other studio has the "squeaky clean family friendly" image that Disney conjures up by the mere mention of its name, so their "wokeness" isn't much of a talking point. Even with Disney, it's really just the theatrical kids movies that stoke controversy. There's a ton of things they do in their tv shows that fly completely under Breitbart minion radar

I am a Disney stockholder, have been for years, and am currently forced to sit on the stock for the long haul because if I were to sell right now, my loss is in the thousands of dollars. The idea that the issue with Disney is only the “theatrical kids movies” is not the reality of what is happening within Disney and all it’s subsidiaries! The stock price can no longer be hushed away as, all stocks are down! Disney has put a target on itself, which allows for films like Spider -Verse to fly under the radar so to speak. Chapek’s ignoring his initial gut reaction of not getting involved in the Florida political issue and then caving to a minority of employees upset over a political issue, put the target on Disney, and now they are getting hit everywhere. Disney+ has not been able to grow the subscriber base it needs here in the USA for a reason. A lot of ppl are rejecting those kids TV shows and even the shows from the major franchises, and doing it by not paying for the service that those shows reside on. Disney is now resorting to pulling shows and movies off their streaming service in order to take the tax break on the loss of revenue for those media. I, as a stock holder, am seriously pissed at Disney for the stance and direction it has taken by alienating a lot of it’s customers, and the stock prices are at least a partial reflection of those stances. Pointing to the success of Spider-Verse does not mean that there isn’t a real push against certain messaging in media, it just means that the consumers are focused on the big fish right now. The theatrical releases are easy pickings because it’s easy to point at the numbers and show there’s a trend in money made compared to messaging. There will always be outliers on both sides. There is a real push against Disney and a lot of it has been self inflicted with how they have handled Marvel, Star Wars, Willow, kids shows, political issues etc etc etc and now Indiana Jones. 

Edited July 6, 2023 by Elden Lord

[Celedhring]

3 hours ago, The GOAT said:

Netflix has poisoned our water supply, burned our crops, and delivered the plague unto our houses

 

 

He's not wrong. However, I resent the word "intervention" like this was the work of some hidden cabal instead of free market at work - whether you like it or not. What happened is that a new actor (Netflix), came up with a better product (not talking about quality of the content, just how convenient it is for consumers) but that has lesser margins than those enjoyed by legacy companies. Inevitably these companies had to follow Netflix or have their business diminished. It's very similar to what happened to the music industry post-digitalization. Margins were much higher back in the days of physical media, compared to the days of Spotify. But consumers very much like paying 10 bucks for unlimited access to content and once that genie is out of the bottle is hard to put it back.

 

What am I worried about is that once the dust settles creatives will be the ones that get the hose.

Edited July 6, 2023 by Celedhring

[reddevil19]

4 hours ago, Boxx93 said:

Dune premiered in the middle of the pandemic and with a day-and-date release on HBO Max and it still managed to make 400mm WW. I'd say it did very well considering the circumstances.

Yes on the day and date for domestic, but stop it with the pandemic narrative. It was Nov 2021, not summer 2020 ffs. And even the HBO Max release was only an issue domestically since that service was (and still is in a lot of markets) not a factor internationally.

 

OS it pretty much made as much as it could have, with no real major obstacles. Bond made 600 OS 3 weeks before, for example. There was little to no issue for Dune to reach audiences internationally except for interest. And in that regard, it did very well. The question is whether the reception was good enough for it to grow significantly. Domestically the day and date release not being in play guarantees an increase. The rest, as I said, depends on just how well-liked the first one was and people wanting to see the second part...

[Valonqar]

18 hours ago, Deathlife said:

Elemental and Spider-verse just riding hand-in-hand.

 

It's so funny how some folks that are being "told what to hate" are so focused on Disney and completely ignored  Spider-Verse.

 

Spider-Verse is probably the "wokest" movie of the summer with BLM tags and Trans Kids posters in the film. The film makers successfully shoved so much stuff in there but the usual crowd was too focused on The Little Mermaid. LOL.

 

Just goes to show how ridiculously selective the outrage is.

 

 

 

Posters only. the movie isn't about any of it and that makes a huge difference. It's like China banning Shang Chi cause Simu Liu is the lead meaning movie is about him, but having no problem with Barbie since Simu is just one of many background characters not the lead that story is about. In short, posters in AtSV and Simu in Barbie are background noise that's easy to ignore or not even notice. But make no mistake, if those posters were what the movie was about it wouldn't have made money. It would be ridiculous to invest north of 100M into something from a poster just because that mere poster didn't turn the audience off. Acting like AtSV is comparable to Strange World thematically is ridicuous. 

Edited July 6, 2023 by Valonqar

[JustLurking]

3 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

 

 

Posters only. the movie isn't about any of it and that makes a huge difference. It's like China banning Shang Chi cause Simu Liu is the lead meaning movie is about him, but having no problem with Barbie since Simu is just one of many background characters not the lead that story is about. In short, posters in AtSV and Simu in Barbie are background noise that's easy to ignore or not even notice. But make no mistake, if those posters were what the movie was about it wouldn't have made money. It would be ridiculous to invest north of 100M into something just because a mere poster didn't turn the audience off. Acting like AtSV is comparable to Strange World thematically is ridicuous. 

Strange World isn't about LGBTQ themes either, in fact they are barely a blip in the film. But it's a bad film regardless, one of the worst among disney's animated films.

[BadOlCatSylvester]

48 minutes ago, lorddemaxus said:

Wait the Jim Caviezel qanon propaganda movie actually looks well-made lol. 

That's because it was originally filmed back in 2018 with the backing of a major Hollywood studio like Fox. And then Disney came in like a wrecking ball.

[Valonqar]

Just now, JustLurking said:

Strange World isn't about LGBTQ themes either, in fact they are barely a blip in the film. But it's a bad film regardless, one of the worst among disney's animated films.

 

Yes but LGBTQ content was much more prominent and all that was talked about prior to release and as such it was labelled LGBTQ movie while AtSV was simply a Spiderman movie. People went to see Spiderman. Again, poster =/= content so the movie was never labelled LGBTQ movie. 

[WorkingonaName]

31 minutes ago, BadOlCatSylvester said:

That's because it was originally filmed back in 2018 with the backing of a major Hollywood studio like Fox. And then Disney came in like a wrecking ball.

Made too much profit to be a Disney film. 

[deniima]

1 hour ago, Valonqar said:

 

 

Posters only. the movie isn't about any of it and that makes a huge difference. It's like China banning Shang Chi cause Simu Liu is the lead meaning movie is about him, but having no problem with Barbie since Simu is just one of many background characters not the lead that story is about. In short, posters in AtSV and Simu in Barbie are background noise that's easy to ignore or not even notice. But make no mistake, if those posters were what the movie was about it wouldn't have made money. It would be ridiculous to invest north of 100M into something from a poster just because that mere poster didn't turn the audience off. Acting like AtSV is comparable to Strange World thematically is ridicuous. 

Lol no way you believe this. Lightyear had a blink and you miss it, 2 second gay kiss (that had nothing to do with the overall story at all) and the usual suspects went crazy. Imagine if Disney had produced a movie that said “Protect trans kids” along with other race-swapped characters and BLM messaging. They might have burned down Disney World

[TwoMisfits]

7 hours ago, cdsacken said:

 

dune was kind of a flop.

 

I agree with the posters before - the pandemic effect, the HBO day and date effect, and the part 1 effect will now all be gone for a movie that did get great WOM from its fans.

 

I fully expect those fans to do an Avatar 2 fanbase move - buy PLF tickets for preview Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday...and drag different folks to their viewing.  And to spread good WOM far and wide...  

Edited July 6, 2023 by TwoMisfits

[Valonqar]

44 minutes ago, deniima said:

Lol no way you believe this. Lightyear had a blink and you miss it, 2 second gay kiss (that had nothing to do with the overall story at all) and the usual suspects went crazy. Imagine if Disney had produced a movie that said “Protect trans kids” along with other race-swapped characters and BLM messaging. They might have burned down Disney World

 

There's a difference between blink or you miss it that made headlines and was topic of conversation whether to see the movie or not and the poster that didn't get attention. Even ragetubers love AtSV and they are usually the first ones to attack that sort of thing. Point is, if a movie is appealing audience won't zero on controversial/less appealing aspect of the movie but if it isn't than they will. I get that you want to believe that AtSV is a hit because of that poster but that isn't true. The poster didn't hurt but audience really cared for Spiderman whether the poster was there or not which was take it or leave it no more than that. Also, The Flash has non-binary actor in the lead which no other movies does so are we to believe it flopped because of that or because the audience never really cared for the character, the movie is just mid and non-binary actor's off screen antics that have nothing to do with his being non-binary were off-putting? Yeah I'm thinking all that. 

Edited July 6, 2023 by Valonqar

[MightyDargon]

Despite all of the....distractions, this week illustrates an important point.

Dial of Destiny had a prime weekend slot and no competition opening against it and STILL underperformed.

And people on here are still HURRR DURRR AQUAMAN MAKE BIG MONEY BECAUSE OF XMAS

They're gonna learn the hard way that putting out a film nobody wants on a holiday means a financial bomb in a few months....AGAIN.

#puntAquaman2

[YM!]

Remember how the alt-right attacked the shit out of Mario for months because of (checks notes) rainbow road and Peach wearing pants and girlbossing, only to immediately 180 after it was clearly obvious it was a hit.

[MightyDargon]

Just now, YM! said:

Remember how the alt-right attacked the shit out of Mario for months because of (checks notes) rainbow road and Peach wearing pants and girlbossing, only to immediately 180 after it was clearly obvious it was a hit.

No, I do not, because THOSE THINGS HAD BEEN IN THE GAMES FOR DECADES and nobody cared by 2023.

[Valonqar]

6 minutes ago, YM! said:

Remember how the alt-right attacked the shit out of Mario for months because of (checks notes) rainbow road and Peach wearing pants and girlbossing, only to immediately 180 after it was clearly obvious it was a hit.

 

yes but there's a difference between attacks on YT and media trumpeting something as the key part of the movie even if it wasn't. Lightyear's kiss was touted in the media  as the groundbreaking moment for Disney animation and as such overwhelmed all the rest. That wasn't the case with Peach and AtSV posters. Individual opinion =/= media hype. One has no impact the other does. 

Edited July 6, 2023 by Valonqar

[Elden Lord]

3 hours ago, reddevil19 said:

Yes on the day and date for domestic, but stop it with the pandemic narrative. It was Nov 2021, not summer 2020 ffs. And even the HBO Max release was only an issue domestically since that service was (and still is in a lot of markets) not a factor internationally.

 

OS it pretty much made as much as it could have, with no real major obstacles. Bond made 600 OS 3 weeks before, for example. There was little to no issue for Dune to reach audiences internationally except for interest. And in that regard, it did very well. The question is whether the reception was good enough for it to grow significantly. Domestically the day and date release not being in play guarantees an increase. The rest, as I said, depends on just how well-liked the first one was and people wanting to see the second part...

 It actually came out in Oct 2021, and while I agree with your sentiment that we weren't at the height of the Pandemic lockdowns in Oct 2021, there were still a lot of restrictions in place that greatly limited theater attendance. Many states and countries were still limiting the amount of people a movie theater could put in a screening. Including requirements of "x" amount of seats and rows in between groups that were not of the same household. Masking was still a requirement in the vast majority of areas, and people were still scared shitless as the spike associated with the cooler months was starting to hit. 

 

So the "day for date" and continuing pandemic restrictions and mood went hand in hand in giving people the excuse to stay home and watch Dune via HBOMAX. An excuse they did not have if they wanted to watch Sang-Chi as it was well known before hand that Sang-Chi was going to have a 45 day Theatrical run before being released to Disney+ or Black Widow which had the premier access fee attached to it on top of the Disney+ membership. 

 

Now, I am not saying Dune would have done just as well as Shang-Chi or Black Widow had Dune been released in similar manners. However, I think that it is at least clear that if it wasn't for the day to date release that gave people the excuse to stay home and avoid all the pandemic restrictions and anxiety, it would have done much, much better in the theaters (at least domestically). 

 

Edited July 6, 2023 by Elden Lord

[Chaz]

Netflix has a long way to go before it compares to the slaughterhouse that Napster was to the music industry. 

Edited July 6, 2023 by Chaz

[MightyDargon]

2 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

 

yes but there's a difference between attacks on YT and media trumpeting something as the key part of the movie even if it wasn't. Lightyear's kiss was touted in the media  as the groundbreaking moment for Disney animation and as such overwhelmed all the rest. That wasn't the case with Peach and AtSV posters. Individual opinion =/= media hype. One has no impact the other does. 

Again, it wasn't groundbreaking because ALL THOSE THINGS WERE IN THE MARIO GAMES FOR DECADES.

Do people on here have this shallow a reference pool that they trust randos in the Nazi bird app over the actual history of the games?! It's not like Mario is some obscure book written by a banned Iranian author or something.

[YM!]

2 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

 

yes but there's a difference between attacks on YT and media trumpeting something as the key part of the movie even if it wasn't. Lightyear's kiss was touted in the media  as the groundbreaking moment for Disney animation and as such overwhelmed all the rest. That wasn't the case with Peach and AtSV posters. Individual opinion =/= media hype. One has no impact the other does. 

Tbh I think Lightyear and Strange World’s problems were more so that both sucked and felt like copies of the usual formula rather than minimal LGBT representation that got a media spread. Disney has been doing the first gay character for years now, since like Beauty and the Beast and that did 1.2B, and even on the less discourse side and while it didn’t have LGBTQ representation was still scrutinized by the right Captain Marvel did 1.1B. Barbie is looking to be one of the biggest films of the year and is also getting shitted on by the right.