96th Annual Academy Awards nominations thread

[Chaz]

3 hours ago, MovieMan89 said:

Barbie was absolutely a frontrunner until the academy just decided it wasn’t suddenly. That’s literally the entire point of the outrage 

That’s definitely not true. The chatter for several months has been that the Academy has not been as hot on Barbie as people were expecting.

[GambitPool]

Poor Things stole Barbie's lunch. No two ways about it. Poor Things is R-Rated (nearly NC-17) Barbie. It goes further in its exploration of the same messages Barbie had to restrict itself because of its rating. Barbie is baby's first Feminist lesson while Poor Things is a Freshman majoring in Feminist Studies at university. It even overtakes Barbie's cinematography with its own experimental camerawork. 

 

If Poor Things didn't release last year, Greta and Margot would be nominated. 

[solaris]

There's no grand conspiracy against Barbie (a film with 8 nominations), Greta Gerwig (who has 4 oscar nominations and 1 win for her first 3 films), or Robbie (2 acting nominations already).

 

The Director and Actress races are both incredibly stacked. Gerwig getting into Director was never a given (the Directors tend to male more leftfield nominations in recent years, and this is one of the strongest years ever for Directors), and whilst Robbie not getting into Actress is surprising (and I agree - she *should* be there), much like DiCaprio in Killers, she's gone from being a sure thing a few months ago to slipping into the 5th/6th/7th position for the last month. I was hoping Greta Lee might sneak in, but Bening isn't out of nowhere given she showed up at SAG. I'd imagine it was a very tight race for that 5th slot between the three of them.

 

The Academy is not a shadowy cabal making group decisions, but a group of individuals voting for the films/performances they like or think are deserving. Oppenheimer dominating isn't a sign of ingrained misogyny - it's a critically acclaimed WW2 era ensemble biopic directed by one of the most celebrated directors working today. It's got Oscar written all over it (and a lot of people really liked it). 

 

 

[MovieMan89]

1 hour ago, GambitPool said:

Poor Things stole Barbie's lunch. No two ways about it. Poor Things is R-Rated (nearly NC-17) Barbie. It goes further in its exploration of the same messages Barbie had to restrict itself because of its rating. Barbie is baby's first Feminist lesson while Poor Things is a Freshman majoring in Feminist Studies at university. It even overtakes Barbie's cinematography with its own experimental camerawork. 

 

If Poor Things didn't release last year, Greta and Margot would be nominated. 

Probably the most compelling explanation, but it still begs the question of why not both? Especially when we’re talking the “feminist” movies spearheaded by a guy vs a woman. Wow, what a shocker which one won that battle with them.
 

If there were two historical war movies this year as acclaimed and successful as Opp, neither would have to worry about major snubs. And I guess there kind of are with The Zone of Interest (at least on the acclaimed end), so there we go. 

Edited January 24 by MovieMan89

[redfirebird2008]

5 hours ago, MovieMan89 said:

Hey who knows, maybe it will be Argo 2.0 where if the Academy gets enough heat for the snub they will give Barbie BP to compensate. 

 

Maybe. They could also give it a Screenplay Oscar, which is a pretty awesome reward for any movie. 

[Spidey Freak]

It's not that Barbie is being 'targeted' in particular but if you want to see the male bias among the Academy then just see the difference between the performances of the two Netflix films, Maestro and May December. Both are featuring respected talent and MD was better received by critics but for some reason the Academy chose Maestro for the big noms (I'm glad they didn't give Cooper a BD nom at least)

 

Ditto for Past Lives and Celine Song/Greta Lee missing out on BD and BA. I haven't seen The Color Purple and I know it's of a more contentious quality but seeing how a lesser critically favored film like Maestro has gotten recognition, don't see why TCP couldn't have received more accolades as well.

 

Outside of Oppenheimer, this could have been a completely female dominated year if the Academy had chosen to. And let's not even get into the bias against animated films.

[MovieMan89]

I honestly hope an Argo thing doesn’t happen, that would be really annoying since then it’s definitely not a matter of them genuinely thinking it deserves it. 

[redfirebird2008]

6 hours ago, MovieMan89 said:

Yeah definitely not buying the narrative that it was just happenstance of competitive fields regarding the Gerwig and Robbie snubs. You could make that argument for literally anything in a competitive year getting snubbed, yet we sure didn’t see things like no Nolan or even no Marty (who would have actually made some sense as a big snub given KotFMs collapse in momentum). Barbie was easily the second best positioned movie through the majority of the awards season, with only Poor Things surging ahead of it by the end for runner up.
 

There wasn’t any excuse for the snubs, especially not Gerwig and especially when we got Bening in actress. That just proves how little support in the major cats Barbie actually had to begin with. Which is pretty ridiculous considering what it achieved in acclaim, success, and the overall zeitgeist. Opp is in a similar situation, but they wouldn’t dare treat it that way with such major snubs. 
 

The fact both Gosling and Ferrera have felt compelled to make official statements condemning the Gerwig and Robbie snubs and not expressing excitement over their own noms really says it all. 

 

 

Hey now, let's not talk about snubbing Nolan. He got screwed pretty bad for almost 20 years with zero nominations in the Director category. Even though it's trending a more positive way for him this year, I still expect the Academy to pull the rug out from under him at the last minute. Lol

 

I'll say for Gerwig, at least she got nominated with Lady Bird. She was only 34 at the time. Pretty amazing honor at a young age. She & her husband very well might win the Adapted Screenplay Oscar, which is an awesome deal for any movie...but especially for a summer blockbuster instead of one of the artsy fartsy type of movies. 

[emoviefan]

I don't think Barbie was ever the front runner for Best Picture. Even on the Barbenheimer opening weekend Oppenheimer was seen as the Oscar front runner right off the bat. The number one grossing movie of the year has not won best picture since Return Of the King in 03/04. If Avatar in 2009/10, Black Panther in 18/19 and either Way of Water or Maverick  last year could not do it not sure why there is a thinking Barbie would and that has nothing to  do with Sexism. 

Edited January 24 by emoviefan

[MysteryMovieMogul]

7 hours ago, Valonqar said:

Apples and oranges. Barbie is a comedy and sadly comedies always struggle to be taken seriously. They nominated a woman director for a drama. So that says it all. 

Yes and no. The Holdovers is 100% a comedy and it's being treated seriously. Hell, Giamatti's lazy eye changes scene to scene. On purpose!

 

That said, Payne wasn't nominated for Best Director, either.

[CloneWars]

I think Williams over Joe Hisashi is the biggest upset. Literally, Williams is rehashing the old Indy score and Hisashi gives us an incredible score, perhaps his best since Princess Mononoke. Why the fuck is Williams nominated for like the 100th time or whatever it is.

 

Barbie missing BD is to be expected. 

[Hatebox]

Still haven’t seen barbie, but the “gosling getting nominated and not gerwig or robbie proves the message of the film was correct” must be the stupidest award discourse ever. 
 

 

Edited January 24 by Hatebox

[grim22]

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[Valonqar]

3 hours ago, MysteryMovieMogul said:

Yes and no. The Holdovers is 100% a comedy and it's being treated seriously. Hell, Giamatti's lazy eye changes scene to scene. On purpose!

 

That said, Payne wasn't nominated for Best Director, either.

 

Giamatti is one of 2 actors in competition to win. Robbie never won anything. It was always between Stone and Gladstone. Therefore, Robbie was vulnerable to snub like other also-runs. Do people even know how voters vote? It isn't a group conspiracy it's one person going through one category list and ranking based on who they liked the most, and then moving to another category. I get that Internet is trying to make this about sexism (if Robbie missed why didn't Giamatti from different category or Gosling from different category) but it doesn't work that way. Robbie didn't compete against men, she competed against women and 5 were ranked above her. You can make the sexism case about Gerwig snub since the category is mixed even though most Directors vote for what they like not to sabotage female directors, but in separate categories such as acting that simply isn't possible. Just because fans view movies as a whole and think Gosling and Ferrera shouldn't be nominated if Robbie isn't since she is the movie, voters only have their ballots where Robbie isn't pit against her cast mates but against female competitors from other movies. If you want direct comeptition from the same movie, that was Ruffalo and Dafoe in Supporting. Not Ruffalo and Stone, 2 different categories. Internet is making an issue where there's none. And this si from Robbie fan. Do I think she was amazing? Yes. Am I too surprised that a doll lost to a veteran who suffered for art (swimming) and played historical figure and is one of the most connected people in the industry, a long suffering wife of a famous hsitorical figure, a long suffering wife whose actress has made a historical nomionation and a character who is so unique and performance hailed so brave for going the disatnce physically and otherwise? No, not really. They are AMPAS comfort zone. 

 

1 hour ago, Hatebox said:

Still haven’t seen barbie, but the “gosling getting nominated and not gerwig or robbie proves the message of the film was correct” must be the stupidest award discourse ever. 
 

 

 

Thank you! 

 

Also, before people claim what was frontrunner and what wasn't they should check the list of winners through the season. And you won't see Barbie sitting high in any category. It's actually Gosling who racked up the most wins for the movie. 

[Spidey Freak]

2 hours ago, CloneWars said:

I think Williams over Joe Hisashi is the biggest upset. Literally, Williams is rehashing the old Indy score and Hisashi gives us an incredible score, perhaps his best since Princess Mononoke. Why the fuck is Williams nominated for like the 100th time or whatever it is.

 

The Oscar Expert bros said Williams could die and an AI program could be installed in his place and the Academy would still keep nominating whatever it generated 😭😭

[filmlover]

6 hours ago, Spidey Freak said:

It's not that Barbie is being 'targeted' in particular but if you want to see the male bias among the Academy then just see the difference between the performances of the two Netflix films, Maestro and May December. Both are featuring respected talent and MD was better received by critics but for some reason the Academy chose Maestro for the big noms (I'm glad they didn't give Cooper a BD nom at least)

 

Ditto for Past Lives and Celine Song/Greta Lee missing out on BD and BA. I haven't seen The Color Purple and I know it's of a more contentious quality but seeing how a lesser critically favored film like Maestro has gotten recognition, don't see why TCP couldn't have received more accolades as well.

 

Outside of Oppenheimer, this could have been a completely female dominated year if the Academy had chosen to. And let's not even get into the bias against animated films.

Mentioned it earlier but I do think May December's ultimate awards season downfall considering its flopping with the precursors was its ties to the Mary Kay Letourneau-Vili Fualaau scandal potentially alienating voters, particularly those who can vividly recall when that bizarre story captivated the world in the late 90s. In addition to the ickiness of it all, Letourneau became an immediate punchline in pop culture for highly inappropriate grown up/minor relationships. The Academy has proven time and time again they want little to do with anything that has an aura of "trashiness" to it.

 

As for The Color Purple, my guess is that its chances for anything besides Brooks died when the movie instant fell off a cliff following an amazing opening day. Before it opened no one would've dared predicted it would be just as frontloaded as a lousy horror remake with a gimmick release date and yet here we are.

[Bob Train]

4 hours ago, MysteryMovieMogul said:

Yes and no. The Holdovers is 100% a comedy and it's being treated seriously. Hell, Giamatti's lazy eye changes scene to scene. On purpose!

 

That said, Payne wasn't nominated for Best Director, either.

Holdovers got 5 nods, Barbie got 8. What are you talking about?

[Valonqar]

10 hours ago, GambitPool said:

Poor Things stole Barbie's lunch. No two ways about it. Poor Things is R-Rated (nearly NC-17) Barbie. It goes further in its exploration of the same messages Barbie had to restrict itself because of its rating. Barbie is baby's first Feminist lesson while Poor Things is a Freshman majoring in Feminist Studies at university. It even overtakes Barbie's cinematography with its own experimental camerawork. 

 

If Poor Things didn't release last year, Greta and Margot would be nominated. 

 

Sexist men to Gerwig and Robbie: "Your movie wasn't feminist enough. Do better."

 

Point is, sexism argument doesn't stand if Poor Things is more feminist and such should have turned off sexists. So the reason for snubs is what @ThomasNicole explained. The movie didn't play well with foreign voters (also see BAFTA flop where Gerwig and movie missed) whose % is growing rapidly and thus changing the nomination landscape such as inclusion of more foreign movies in Top 10. And Poor Things as very artsy movie is closer to foreign voters sensibilities than than something like Barbie or other blockbuster that they consider lightweight or too American. They are picked from film-makers not regular audience hence more highbrow tastes.

Edited January 24 by Valonqar

[grim22]

19 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

 

Sexist men to Gerwig and Robbie: "Your movie wasn't feminist enough. Do better."

 

Point is, sexism argument doesn't stand if Poor Things is more feminist and such should have turned off sexists. So the reason for snubs is what @ThomasNicole explained. The movie didn't play well with foreign voters (also see BAFTA flop where Gerwig and movie missed) whose % is growing rapidly and thus changing the nomination landscape such as inclusion of more foreign movies in Top 10. And Poor Things as very artsy movie is closer to foreign voters sensibilities than than something like Barbie or other blockbuster that they consider lightweight or too American. They are picked from film-makers not regular audience hence more highbrow tastes.

 

Why are we pitting Poor Things against Barbie like those were the only 2 options fighting for one spot? There were other movies which similarly weren't playing well overseas which could have gone out for Gerwig. There is nothing preventing them from recognizing both movies.

[Valonqar]

10 minutes ago, grim22 said:

 

Why are we pitting Poor Things against Barbie like those were the only 2 options fighting for one spot? There were other movies which similarly weren't playing well overseas which could have gone out for Gerwig. There is nothing preventing them from recognizing both movies.

 

There's something preventing them - they thought others did a better job. Nobody votes as a group that gathers and then goes OK so we put X at #1 and Y at #5, etc. People vote individually but shared taste produces similar votes. And depending how many people who share the same taste vote vs other people who share the same taste, someone swims, someone sinks. There's a reason why the dreaded Middlebrow Oscar Bait Biopic always gets nominated - there are many voters to whom that kind of movie appeals. There's a reason why many acting wins are for historical figures - acting branch and actors in general think that's the height of acting. Same goes for illness/disability (with or without acting in prosthetics). OTOH, they hate mo'cap so actors in mo'cap don't get nominated while actors in fatsuits and fake noses win. And as long as they add membership with that mindset, they will vote the same way. Diversity (gender, race, ethnicity, age, sexuality) does not automatically mean diversity of tastes. Sci fi is yet to win Best Picture so when it comes to genre diversity not much changed.