Spidey Freak Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 Gaga stans being Todd Phillips's No.1 defenders was not on my 2024 bingo card In all seriousness though, I don't see how you can call GA dumb just because they're rejecting your favu's vanity project when the best performing films from the last 2 years include Barbie, Oppenheimer, Across the Spider-Verse, Inside Out 2 and Dune 2, all films that would have been considered as "risque" and "overintellectual" for the masses in the 2000s and maybe even in the 2010s 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krissykins Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 Joker somehow increased from Friday to Saturday here in the UK lol. Minimally, but it went up. I’m just happy Smile 2 is guaranteed to open at #1 now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric is Smiling Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 57 minutes ago, Spidey Freak said: Gaga stans being Todd Phillips's No.1 defenders was not on my 2024 bingo card In all seriousness though, I don't see how you can call GA dumb just because they're rejecting your favu's vanity project when the best performing films from the last 2 years include Barbie, Oppenheimer, Across the Spider-Verse, Inside Out 2 and Dune 2, all films that would have been considered as "risque" and "overintellectual" for the masses in the 2000s and maybe even in the 2010s Those movies being considered “overintellectual” sounds utterly terrifying. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vale9001 Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 34 minutes ago, Krissykins said: Joker somehow increased from Friday to Saturday here in the UK lol. Minimally, but it went up. I’m just happy Smile 2 is guaranteed to open at #1 now i don't think in europe (but you're in an anglophone country so could be different) all the social discussion has the fast impact has in the Us. WOM of course exists but in the first weekend it's normal to see increases etc... i never saw here in italy a movie on saturday makes less than friday... doesn't matter how bad reviewed is or how toxic WOM is...on saturday a movie just makes more than friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJohn Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 Under 40M OW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krissykins Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 14 minutes ago, vale9001 said: i don't think in europe (but you're in an anglophone country so could be different) all the social discussion has the fast impact has in the Us. WOM of course exists but in the first weekend it's normal to see increases etc... i never saw here in italy a movie on saturday makes less than friday... doesn't matter how bad reviewed is or how toxic WOM is...on saturday a movie just makes more than friday. Nah not here in the UK. Fan rush/ frontloading is also a thing here too. For example, just in August both It Ends With Us and Alien Romulus decreased from Friday to Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJG Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 3 hours ago, eddyxx said: I haven’t watched WWE regularly since the 2000s. Is the product any better now that McMahon is banished? I hear Triple H did some good stuff in the farm show they had but any time I tuned into Raw, the characters just never popped aside from a few like the guy who passed recently with the mask. (The fiend?)I miss the crazy gimmicks from the late 90s and the bad asses who didn’t give a fuck like Rock and Austin. I stopped watching regularly for about 15 years until this year. I didn't have rose coloured glasses for the thing. The WWE product being produced today is the best I've seen it be. They basically cycle through their roster, give a character a spotlight, and force the audience to actually care about what they do. So many characters being so supported properly makes for weekly shows that are far more consistently solid than what I remember. As a kid I would probably fast forward through most of the show - so it's actually shocking I don't feel much of a need to 15 years later. The problem is highs of the past aren't there. They don't have any villains (just somewhat unlikeable people), they don't have as many big stunts, and there's one anchor story on the Monday show which is so poorly put together you wonder if WWE's reemergence was just a fluke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJG Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 2 hours ago, ListenHunnyUrOver said: Dune Part II didn't push any boundaries for science fiction, and Oppenheimer was a fairly conventional biopic. Joker 2 is expanding what a comic book sequel can be. They are not the same. Batman used to dance in the 60's. Batman had to sing a Billie Holliday song to transform Wonder Woman back from a pig in the 2000's. These Joker people aren't doing anything that hasn't already been done. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Freak Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 45 minutes ago, Eric Quinn said: Those movies being considered “overintellectual” sounds utterly terrifying. I forget how young some of you guys are that you can't remember how bleak the 2000s really were 😭 Josie and the Pussycats walked so that Barbie could rollerblade at the BO 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grey ghost Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 4 hours ago, ListenHunnyUrOver said: I wouldn't use that word, but I am losing faith in the general audience more and more every year. Look at the top 10 highest grossing films in a calendar year from 30 years ago compared to today. I think the spirit of going into a cinema and letting a director and creative team take you on a journey for better or worse is just totally lost. People want a very particular formula from their movies, and any substantial deviation must be rejected. Didn't audiences show up for Barbiehiemer last year? Isn't Dune and Twisters both in the top 5 DOM this year? Audiences can't reward movies that Hollywood doesn't produce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grey ghost Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 Should Hollywood take more risks? I guess we don't feel it when Hollywood loses 200 million but if your wife took money for your car payment and bet on the cowboys winning the superbowl, you'd feel it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krissykins Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 The current top 10 adds up to like 40 in terms of sequels/remakes/reboots/spin offs of the same stories. We’ve already seen Hugh Jackman as Wolverine in like 8 different films by now. It usually/always is. Can’t people just accept that those are what keeps the lights on in cinemas for you to see films you might find more interesting and original. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marathon Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 (edited) Edit: nvm Edited October 6 by Marathon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kon Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 4 hours ago, ListenHunnyUrOver said: Will audiences be upset that Elphaba isn't exactly like the L. Frank Baum version of the character or Margaret Hamilton portrayal when they see Wicked? Why do we have to be married to iterations of characters that are decades old? It's a different case, because people expect Elphaba would be different from the Wicked promotionals. Even people who don't know about Wicked musical could notice from the trailers that she won't be the villain she was in Wizard of Oz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kon Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 (edited) 3 hours ago, Spidey Freak said: Gaga stans being Todd Phillips's No.1 defenders was not on my 2024 bingo card In all seriousness though, I don't see how you can call GA dumb just because they're rejecting your favu's vanity project when the best performing films from the last 2 years include Barbie, Oppenheimer, Across the Spider-Verse, Inside Out 2 and Dune 2, all films that would have been considered as "risque" and "overintellectual" for the masses in the 2000s and maybe even in the 2010s I could see what is the "risque" for Across the Spider-Verse (althought Into the Spider-Verse being a success reduces it), but not really for the other movies. Edited October 6 by Kon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoMisfits Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 5 hours ago, Mad Max007 said: One of the reasons the first did so well, people were curious. For the sequel, they at least expected him to be Joker. (Having not seen the movie or read any spoilers, but just the general gist of this thread)...It's not an unreasonable expectation...the name is in the title. If the movie director and the studio really decided that you should spend the whole time taking the character from the end of movie 1, and now putting him back in his place as an unknown loser in movie 2...well, it deserves every loss possible. They failed at the concept stage of the movie. They didn't understand the Joker (the 1st movie actually completely showed how anyone could become the Joker, which is a thing in the comics - but the comics never go into "and now go back to just being a loser")...if you fail so hard on the concept of a known character IP, you're gonna get anger and hate from almost all GA b/c you set an expectation naming the movie "Joker" and you didn't keep it... 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric is Smiling Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 1 hour ago, Spidey Freak said: I forget how young some of you guys are that you can't remember how bleak the 2000s really were 😭 Josie and the Pussycats walked so that Barbie could rollerblade at the BO Okay but like…none of those movies would be seen as overintellectual or risqué back then? They aren’t hard to follow, they don’t say anything that daring, even by the standards of the 2000s. I dunno. Maybe most of those movies were hits because they are based on nostalgic brands. 🤷 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWR Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 I can't believe I live in a world where the seventh Alien movie made more money than a sequel to Joker in its opening weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vale9001 Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 Risky movies have to be good too btw 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiderByte Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 5 hours ago, ListenHunnyUrOver said: Dune Part II didn't push any boundaries for science fiction, and Oppenheimer was a fairly conventional biopic. Joker 2 is expanding what a comic book sequel can be. They are not the same. There have been sequels that have been terrible for ages before now. It's not even the first bad Batman villain movie. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...