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[Napoleon]

6 hours ago, IceFire9yt said:

The key here is the the DCEU movies all came out after the Avengers, which triggered a massive surge in popularity for superhero movies.  Of course 6 CBMs released when the genre is massively popular would outperform 6 CBMs released when it was much less so.

 

4 hours ago, terrestrial said:

In addition:

movie #1-#6 MCU started out with 'no name' characters, in opposition the DCEU....

Joss Whedon's Justice League came after The Avengers and united all the famous DC characters. Let's not take credit away from the DC directors for delivering movies people wanted to see. 

[terrestrial]

35 minutes ago, Napoleon said:

Joss Whedon's Justice League came after The Avengers and united all the famous DC characters. Let's not take credit away from the DC directors for delivering movies people wanted to see. 

where/how did I do that?

It's about not to compare 2 different situations in a way as they are/were the same, nothing more nothing less

 

Edited December 17, 2018 by terrestrial

[LaughingEvans]

12 hours ago, Napoleon said:

 

 

Friendly reminder that Black Panther did over 2 times JL's BO. Infinity War did over 3 times JL's BO.
Compare movies of the same periods.

[Juby]

12 hours ago, Napoleon said:

 

 

Yeah, right.

 

Now look at the budgets of those films, which of them were released also in 3D and which wasn't.

 

DCEU for now still has 2 of 3 biggest box office disappointments of the decade (Batman v Superman and Justice League / the third and maybe the biggest is Han Solo film) and not even one hit as huge as the first Avengers. In matter of fact, DC has no film with $1 billion worldwide since Nolan finished his Batman trilogy. MCU has already five $1 billion-grossers and one $2 billion grosser.

 

Just stating the facts 😘 

[terrestrial]

On one hand, it's about the introduction of new characters, building up,

on the other hand it is about in which year #1 was released, how was the genre even perceived at that time.

Also how big of a fandom to expect / hope for / well known print-media based characters

 

Then what's about expectations of former filmed versions?

Fans can be very viscous too.

I remember e.g. a lot of fans of Nolan's Batman no reacting kindly about e.g. Man of Steel

 

So to pick #1-6 and try to proof per BO which one is 'better'... seems short-sighted in my POV

 

I also wouldn't compare them with ~ same year releases, as in this case it's about to reap the fruit of the build-up work vs earlier stages of another film series

 

I prefer to look into the BOs case by case (incl budgets 😉 ), no matter the studio / source material / director&cast/crew. Including why in certain countries this or that BO (very good to bad translation, local movie hit/event,.....)

 

Edited December 17, 2018 by terrestrial

[Rebeccas]

well inflation alone already brings 3.8m over 4.0m but again, china was basically an irrelevant place for superhero movies until after the avengers. the first one barely did any business there.

[Barnack]

I was surprised by how low the amount was for the DCEU vs Marvel considering how different the 2013 world is too 2008 worldwide, but that because there is a lot of Aquaman BO to get in.

[IronJimbo]

2 hours ago, LaughingEvans said:

 

Friendly reminder that Black Panther did over 2 times JL's BO. Infinity War did over 3 times JL's BO.
Compare movies of the same periods.

Perfect time to remind everyone that global phenomonom in BP made <0.5A and JL made less than 0.25A.

[expensiveho]

8 hours ago, The Futurist said:

Weird how Venom and Aquaman are pulling such huge numbers in China, the always biggest unpredictable matket. 

We ll see if it is a new trend for superhero movies there or if these two movies had something chinese audiences resonated with.

 

Because the top 3 superhero movies in China is now as follows :

 

1. Infinity War

2. Venom

3. Aquaman

 

I think they're just into American dudebros.

 

Fast And Furious, The Meg, Rampage, Venom, Aquaman.  Sounds like a pattern. 

 

I don't think we'll see CM or SM:FFH reaching those numbers. Though they'll probably increase from the 90-110m range all SH used to do, 3 massive hits (especially IW) must've done something to the "genre". 

[MrGlass2]

In 2018, at Peak Superhero, AntMan2 will be the only big superhero movie out of the top 10 worldwide... another great achievement for this series.

13 hours ago, IceFire9yt said:

The key here is the the DCEU movies all came out after the Avengers, which triggered a massive surge in popularity for superhero movies.

No, the key was inflation. And superhero movies have increased in quantity not popularity since Disney started mass producing them. Adjusted for inflation, Superman, Batman, TDK and two Raimi Spider-Man movies are still in the top 10 all time. That is for domestic numbers; worldwide numbers have increased greatly but this doesn't only apply to superhero movies.

 

While comparing without adjusting for inflation doesn't make much sense, once Aquaman numbers are all added in it will show (once again) that the DCEU is doing very well financially - and the rest is fanboy nonsense ("BvS financial disappointment of the decade!").

[The Futurist]

TDK is still probably the biggest ticket seller in America, just a bit more than the first Avengers & BP & the first Spiderman.

[Lothar]

Every time I log in BOT I'm like

[Premium George]

What is the most surprising #1 yearly grosser this century? Harry potter 1, avengers or frozen?

Before avengers, highest grossing mcu movie, iron man 2, made $623m WW. That's less than lowest grossing spider man live action movie, ASM2- $700m. Let's not talk about captain america and thor. Audience proved that these are B grade characters.

Avengers grossed close to Iron Man 2 WW, with it's dom alone. And grossed close to highest grossing spider man movie WW, spider man 3- $890m, with it's OS. It became 3rd highest grossing movie WW at that point.

 

3rd highest, yet it didn't even come close to 2nd highest grossing movie's original gross which came out 15 years before avengers. And the guy who made titanic released another movie 2 years before avengers which did almost double of avengers. Come April, let's see, if the phenomenon, started in 2008, can result in a different top two WW grosser. Most probably not. Maybe in July?

 

[Barnack]

40 minutes ago, The Futurist said:

TDK is still probably the biggest ticket seller in America, just a bit more than the first Avengers & BP & the first Spiderman.

All possible guess, because younger Kids often have a rebate too on their ticket price Spiderman could be the one, that is not easy to say, Dark Knight/Avenges/BP played quite older than a 2002 Spider Man I would imagine, 2012 Avengers was the most 3D heavy of the tops I would imagine, when the format was still really popular.

 

Top 10 according to the very rough Mojo estimate:

Rank	Title (click to view)	Studio	Est. Tickets / Theaters		Opening / Theaters		Date
1	Marvel's The Avengers	BV	76,881,200	4,349	25,546,600	4,349	5/4/12
2	Black Panther	BV	76,272,300	4,084	22,052,800	4,020	2/16/18
3	The Dark Knight	WB	74,463,500	4,366	22,062,900	4,366	7/18/08
4	Avengers: Infinity War	BV	72,419,700	4,474	27,473,200	4,474	4/27/18
5	Spider-Man	Sony	69,484,700	3,876	19,766,600	3,615	5/3/02
6	Incredibles 2	BV	66,304,500	4,410	19,476,300	4,410	6/15/18
7	Batman	WB	62,954,600	2,201	10,198,900	2,194	6/23/89
8	Spider-Man 2	Sony	60,158,700	4,166	14,195,800	4,152	6/30/04
9	The Dark Knight Rises	WB	57,581,800	4,404	20,679,600	4,404	7/20/12
10	Superman	WB	57,384,600	817	3,190,300	508	12/15/78

 

 

[Barnack]

1 hour ago, Premium George said:

What is the most surprising #1 yearly grosser this century? Harry potter 1, avengers or frozen?

Frozen sound like a good pick, (Iron Man 3 was the obvious number 1 that year), all the others are sequels outside first Potter that was such a giant book phenomenon and Avatar is Cameron with rumored to be the biggest budget movie ever not really that surprising.

[Premium George]

2 minutes ago, Barnack said:

Frozen sound like a good pick, (Iron Man 3 was the obvious number 1 that year), all the others are sequels outside first Potter that was such a giant book phenomenon and Avatar is Cameron with rumored to be the biggest budget movie ever not really that surprising.

Why not avengers? TDKR was definitely the favorite to top the chart. And avengers was a sequel to a $600m film.

[MrGlass2]

24 minutes ago, Premium George said:

Why not avengers? TDKR was definitely the favorite to top the chart. And avengers was a sequel to a $600m film.

But then TDK is far more surprising, sequel to a $290M film.

 

Anyway, franchise movies being #1 was hardly surprising even 10 years ago so Frozen is a better candidate - and even then "surprise" is a strong word compared to, say, American Sniper domestically.

Edited December 17, 2018 by MrGlass2

[Premium George]

55 minutes ago, MrGlass2 said:

But then TDK is far more surprising, sequel to a $290M film.

 

Anyway, franchise movies being #1 was hardly surprising even 10 years ago so Frozen is a better candidate - and even then "surprise" is a strong word compared to, say, American Sniper domestically.

So, mission impossible being number one WW in a year when a billion dollar grosser is guaranteed, will not be surprising? Everyone in 2008 was expecting TDK to win the year, once that legendary review dropped.

[Premium George]

This is the  review, I am talking about. 

https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/movie-reviews/the-dark-knight-250897/

[cax16]

Marvel coming for their first Oscar

 

Anything but BP please, that last fight scene was ridiculously bad. I hope infinity war wins.

 

Since I haven’t seen Aquaman yet I can’t comment on the cgi but since Sneider mentioned Aquaman was this like a snub or something?