Terminator: Dark Fate | Nov 1 2019 | Estimated to lose 122.6M

[John2015]

33 minutes ago, DeeCee said:

I enjoyed it. It was good, but....

 

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They’ve made the same movie 5 times now. 

 

 

I thank Dark Fate is much more emotional than previous three films.  Cameron clearly has big influence on the film.

[Gavin Feng]

33 minutes ago, sfran43 said:

 

Tencent Pictures spent lot of money on buying water army for high score. 

[John Marston]

29 minutes ago, Gavin Feng said:

Tencent Pictures spent lot of money on buying water army for high score. 

Still looking at only 27m or so opening weekend? 

[John2015]

3 hours ago, stripe said:

GA reaction will be key to avoid the bomb territory. If it's as crowdpleasing as it appears to be, then legs through November should be quite solid

I think the film is audience-friendly; at least, much more audience-friendly than Blade Runner 2

 

Sadly, many people will only wait for streaming.

[John2015]

53 minutes ago, Gavin Feng said:

Tencent Pictures spent lot of money on buying water army for high score. 

Having watched the film, I guess that film's Douban rating wouldn't be low.

Edited October 31, 2019 by John2015

[stripe]

1 hour ago, John2015 said:

I think the film is audience-friendly; at least, much more audience-friendly than Blade Runner 2

 

Sadly, many people will only wait for streaming.

 

If OW is over 30M and WOM spreads, it can find a way to 100M DOM. Competition isn't crazy this November.

 

Crossing fingers

[Alexdube]

3 hours ago, Gavin Feng said:

Tencent Pictures spent lot of money on buying water army for high score. 

don't be a hater Gavin

[Zakiyyah6]

2 hours ago, stripe said:

 

If OW is over 30M and WOM spreads, it can find a way to 100M DOM. Competition isn't crazy this November.

 

Crossing fingers

A 100mil is not a good gross for such an expensive film.

[John2015]

7 minutes ago, Zakiyyah6 said:

A 100mil is not a good gross for such an expensive film.

$100 million is not a good gross, but at least it can save face.

 

 

[Alexdube]

3 hours ago, stripe said:

 

If OW is over 30M and WOM spreads, it can find a way to 100M DOM. Competition isn't crazy this November.

 

Crossing fingers

Reviews seem to be holding up pretty well, now at 69% on RT 143 reviews counted.That will help, it's tough out there for anything that isn't a superhero movie or Disney remake, can't afford to be trash and still cash in a billion.

[Zakiyyah6]

12 minutes ago, John2015 said:

$100 million is not a good gross, but at least it can save face.

 

 

I hope that the film does well but how does 100mil save face? They are trying to start a new franchise. 100mil in North America doesn't mean anything unless it does 400-500+mil internationally. 

[Deuce66]

The TOP 20 Worldwide for 2019 - Terminator Dark Fate at minimum needs to hit the #11 spot or better to minimize the financial damage. With a production budget of $185 million and probably another $100 million for promo/marketing, it's a big hill to climb here very similar to Alita which is now parked indefinitely. 

 

 

1	Avengers: Endgame	$2,797,800,564	$858,373,000	30.7%	$1,939,427,564	69.3%
2	The Lion King	$1,653,253,114	$543,213,788	32.9%	$1,110,039,326	67.1%
3	Spider-Man: Far from Home	$1,131,831,806	$390,532,085	34.5%	$741,299,721	65.5%
4	Captain Marvel	$1,128,274,794	$426,829,839	37.8%	$701,444,955	62.2%
5	Toy Story 4	$1,071,352,979	$433,813,191	40.5%	$637,539,788	59.5%
6	Aladdin	$1,050,693,953	$355,559,216	33.8%	$695,134,737	66.2%
7	Joker	$856,268,843	$282,168,843	33%	$574,100,000	67%
8	Fast & Furious Presents: Hobbs & Shaw	$758,899,040	$173,799,040	22.9%	$585,100,000	77.1%
9	Ne Zha	$700,547,754	$3,695,533	0.5%	$696,852,221	99.5%
10	The Wandering Earth	$699,760,773	$5,875,487	0.8%	$693,885,286	99.2%
11	How to Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World	$519,896,648	$160,799,505	30.9%	$359,097,143	69.1%
12	It Chapter Two	$452,582,062	$210,882,062	46.6%	$241,700,000	53.4%
13	Pokémon Detective Pikachu	$431,705,346	$144,105,346	33.4%	$287,600,000	66.6%
14	The Secret Life of Pets 2	$429,434,163	$158,257,265	36.9%	$271,176,898	63.1%
15	Alita: Battle Angel	$404,852,543	$85,710,210	21.2%	$319,142,333	78.8%
16	My People, My Country	$402,967,152	$2,348,982	0.6%	$400,618,170	99.4%
17	The Captain	$395,499,620	$580,196	0.1%	$394,919,424	99.9%
18	Godzilla: King of the Monsters	$385,900,138	$110,500,138	28.6%	$275,400,000	71.4%
19	Once Upon a Time in Hollywood	$369,912,451	$140,596,739	38%	$229,315,712	62%
20	Shazam!	$364,571,656	$140,371,656	38.5%	$224,200,000

 

 

[WeneedtotalkaboutKevin]

I think it is pretty safe to say that this movie is gonna be a bomb. A big one or a small one? Yet to know.

 

But James Cameron is already throwing Tim Miller under the bus.

 

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/10/james-cameron-terminator-dark-fate-editing-creative-differences-1202186192/

 

@IronJimbo  How can you worship a man like that like a God?  Jimmy is so full of himself and jumps the ship at the first signs of troubles.  

[shayhiri]

6 hours ago, Gavin Feng said:

Tencent Pictures spent lot of money on buying water army for high score. 

 

Watch the movie first, loser.

 

7.8 is far too little for one of the best movies of recent years.

Edited October 31, 2019 by shayhiri

[Deuce66]

32 minutes ago, WeneedtotalkaboutKevin said:

I think it is pretty safe to say that this movie is gonna be a bomb. A big one or a small one? Yet to know.

 

But James Cameron is already throwing Tim Miller under the bus.

 

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/10/james-cameron-terminator-dark-fate-editing-creative-differences-1202186192/

 

@IronJimbo  How can you worship a man like that like a God?  Jimmy is so full of himself and jumps the ship at the first signs of troubles.  

 

I interpret that article differently, by the sounds of it Cameron was heavily involved in the final cut of the film and will bear a substantial amount of responsibility, what % of disagreements went in Miller or Cameron's favour only they can tell for sure. JC lost the right to throw Miller under the bus as you say when he got involved in the final edit.  

 

Whether people actually go out and see it that's another story. Success or failure is in the hands of moviegoers.

 

 

[shayhiri]

21 hours ago, dudalb said:

Yeah, Reagan is not President any more.

I think that America is pretty war weary after 18 years of military conflict, and just are not in the mood for a rah rah contemporary war movie.

 

Movies are OK.

 

It's the real wars that America keeps starting all over the world that are the problem. Good thing you finally have a real president who reined in the war-mongers a bit.

Edited October 31, 2019 by shayhiri

[Alexdube]

 

Terminator: Dark Fate is now officially a better movie than Joker 

[dudalb]

5 hours ago, stripe said:

 

If OW is over 30M and WOM spreads, it can find a way to 100M DOM. Competition isn't crazy this November.

 

Crossing fingers

100 Mill domestic will not be enough to save it with a 180 Million budget and a 360 Million break even point,and it not doing well overseas.

It's almost certainly going to lose money, only question is how much.

 

 

[dudalb]

1 hour ago, shayhiri said:

 

Movies are OK.

 

It's the real wars that America keeps starting all over the world that are the problem. Good thing you finally have a real president who reined in the war-mongers a bit.

Shay is a Trump fanboy????????????????

God, now I KNOW he is just trolling...

[dudalb]

2 hours ago, Zakiyyah6 said:

I hope that the film does well but how does 100mil save face? They are trying to start a new franchise. 100mil in North America doesn't mean anything unless it does 400-500+mil internationally. 

Particualry since the film has around a 350 Million plus break even point and is not doing well so far overseas.

Too many here just see "Wow ! A Hundred Million Dollars" without taking anything else into context.