Terminator: Dark Fate | Nov 1 2019 | Estimated to lose 122.6M

[Legion Again]

Wrong thread

Edited November 4, 2019 by Thanos Legion

[Marcus Cato]

On 11/3/2019 at 4:37 AM, WittyUsername said:

I’m surprised that the audience score on RT hasn’t been nuked by the usual suspects.

Yet, the movie is still flopping hard despite the great audience score, which proves that Rotten Tomatoes doesn't matter all that much when it comes to box office, as some people might think. And also dismisses the idea that just some 'trolls' can bring down the box office of a movie, as the media is suggesting when is looking for scapegoats. 

Edited November 4, 2019 by Marcus Cato

[Napoleon]

Linda Hamilton came out of retirement and trained so hard for this movie only for people to not care. This goes to show how hypocrite is our society. Woke people only care about representation when a marketing campaign makes you look cool to be part of. 

[Ozymandias]

9 hours ago, Ryan Reynolds said:

 

some people should lose their jobs over this

 

 

terrible trailers trailers and another sequel to a franchise fucked beyond recognition

 

didn't see this coming boys

[Chucky]

2 hours ago, Marcus Cato said:

Yet, the movie is still flopping hard despite the great audience score, which proves that Rotten Tomatoes doesn't matter all that much when it comes to box office, as some people might think. And also dismisses the idea that just some 'trolls' can bring down the box office of a movie, as the media is suggesting when is looking for scapegoats. 

It can help for the initial opening of certain movies, it just won't help a dead franchise like this

[Deuce66]

This is one less thing for Cameron to worry about, Terminator TDF is DOA. 

 

Terminator: Dark Fate' Puts Franchise on Ice, Faces $120M-Plus Loss

The film bombed in its U.S. debut over the weekend with $29 million.

A storied Hollywood film franchise has been terminated — at least for the foreseeable future.

 

Terminator: Dark Fate bombed in its global box office debut over the weekend, grossing just $29 million in the U.S., well behind expectations.

Nor was its performance much better overseas, where it has earned $94.6 million to date, including a lackluster China launch of $28 million, for a global total of $123.6 million.

 

Dark Fate faces losses of $120 million-plus for partners Skydance Media, Paramount Pictures and 20th Century Fox, which each put up 30 percent of the $185 million budget (Disney, which now owns the Fox film studio, will absorb the loss), sources tell The Hollywood Reporter. China's Tencent has a 10 percent stake.

 

The red ink could end up at $130 million if the pic doesn't hold internationally; conversely, the losses could be closer to $110 million if it does have strong legs offshore, sources add. 

 

While the losses will be spread around, Dark Fate's surprisingly poor performance is a blow for David Ellison's Skydance, which has spent tens of millions trying to reboot the James Cameron-created series that first hit the big screen in 1984. It's also a blow for Paramount, which needs franchises.

 

Ellison’s first attempt was 2015's Terminator Genisys, released in partnership with Warner Bros. The film, which cost more than $150 million to produce before marketing, grossed $440.6 million globally, so it wasn’t a financial disaster. It earned more than $100 million in China alone, but faltered in the U.S., where it topped out at $89.8 million.

 

Terminator Genisys was supposed to be the first of a trilogy but was reviled by critics. Ellison quickly scrapped the two follow-ups and went back to the drawing board. He arranged for Cameron to come back and produce a movie that would be a direct sequel to the first two films — The Terminator and Terminator 2: Judgment Day, both of which were directed by Cameron — as well as helped arrange for the return of original series stars Linda Hamilton and Arnold Schwarzenegger.

 

The R-rated Dark Fate was directed by Deadpool helmer Tim Miller. Mackenzie Davis, Natalia Reyes, Gabriel Luna and Diego Boneta also star.

Box office analysts say the movie's poor opening is a reflection of complete IP failure. (Insiders at Paramount and Skydance don't disagree.)

"It is time to let this franchise finally go to the great beyond," says Eric Handler of MKM Partners.

 

Adds Jeff Bock of Exhibitor Relations, "This is definitely the end of the line for the Terminator franchise in its current iteration. That said, IPs are harder to kill off than Jason Vorhees these days. So, expect a new series in five years on CBS All Access. Probably animated this time."

 

None of the companies involved would comment on the losses, but sources close to Skydance say there are certainly no plans for another film at this point. Ellison acquired the rights to Terminator from his sister, producer Megan Ellison, who bought them for a reported $20 million in 2011.

 

Following the first two films, neither Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (2003) nor Terminator Salvation (2009) were able to reboot the film series, followed by Genisys. Analysts say any company would have tried again, considering the franchise mentality permeating the Hollywood studio system.

"The goodwill and brand equity created by the first two Terminator films was arguably undone by the subsequent pre-Dark Fate installments, which may have negatively impacted audience interest in this latest chapter in the series,"  says Paul Dergarabedian of Comscore.

 

Dark Fate is the second pricey miss in a row for Paramount and Skydance, following Ang Lee's Gemini Man.

Skydance is Paramount's financing partner on pics including the Mission: Impossible series and the upcoming Top Gun reboot. Separately, Skydance sold Michael Bay's big-budget 6 Underground, starring Ryan Reynolds, to Netflix for a reported $150 million-plus.

Netflix and Skydance are also making The Old Guard, an action pic directed by Gina Prince-Bythewood and starring Charlize Theron, KiK Layne, Marwan Kenzari, Matthias Schoenaerts and Chiwetel Ejiofor. The pic, based on the comic book of the same name, is currently filming.

[LaughingEvans]

*4 terminator bombs in a row*

*acts surprised*

 

 

[The Futurist]

 

1984-1991

Forever in our Hearts.

Edited November 4, 2019 by The Futurist

[Panda]

Tough year for Cameron fans eh?

[OncomingStorm93]

This is the fifth Terminator trilogy that will never happen.

 

The first being Terminator, T-2, and Cameron's initial plans for T3 in the late 90s.

 

The second being the soft-reboot T3, with new stars Nick Stahl and Claire Danes, who were expected to lead sequels.

 

The third being the Salvation trilogy ("Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins" being the initial title for Salvation)

 

The fourth being the Genisys trilogy.

 

The fifth being the Dark Fate trilogy.

 

 

I can't think of another franchise that has failed so freaking much.

[EarlyDeadlinePredictions]

Alien, Predator, Terminator......

 

I hope they've officially given up on that 2nd Robocop reboot.

[dudalb]

10 hours ago, Napoleon said:

Linda Hamilton came out of retirement and trained so hard for this movie only for people to not care. This goes to show how hypocrite is our society. Woke people only care about representation when a marketing campaign makes you look cool to be part of. 

It does not matter how hard Hamilton trained, it's no guarantee of a good movie if it's badly made. People often work just as hard on a bad fim as on a good film. Amazed this needs to be explained to you.

[dudalb]

6 hours ago, OncomingStorm93 said:

This is the fifth Terminator trilogy that will never happen.

 

The first being Terminator, T-2, and Cameron's initial plans for T3 in the late 90s.

 

The second being the soft-reboot T3, with new stars Nick Stahl and Claire Danes, who were expected to lead sequels.

 

The third being the Salvation trilogy ("Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins" being the initial title for Salvation)

 

The fourth being the Genisys trilogy.

 

The fifth being the Dark Fate trilogy.

 

 

I can't think of another franchise that has failed so freaking much.

I still maintain the basic idea behind the franchise is only good for a couple of movies, then you into just rehashing what has gone before.

[Plain Old Tele]

It's not a bad movie at all, though. It's pretty decent.

[Zakiyyah6]

Dark Fate is a decent action movie but it is too late to revive the franchise. 

[Elessar]

Finally saw it. Miller is no Cameron and Holkenberg is no Fiedel, so it lacks the awesomeness. Enjoyed it, nonetheless, for what it was. Good, believable, cast, although some of the characters took it a little too well that there are killing machines from the future, but that's more the script. And it was so cool to see Sarah Connor, again! Have to stress, though, i wish they channeled more of the Fiedel score, it is so much of what makes Terminator Terminator. They never get that right. They almost made me shed a tear at the end, though, so that speaks for it.

 

When

Spoiler

Arnold says i won't be back

and with the knowledge of its box office performance (and his age), it really hit me. Yes, you won't. Ah, kinda sad. 😥

 

But i can live with that ending. It doeasn't really need a sequel.

Edited November 4, 2019 by Elessar

[dudalb]

56 minutes ago, Zakiyyah6 said:

Dark Fate is a decent action movie but it is too late to revive the franchise. 

It needed a film that knocked it out of the ball park to revive the franchise.

Dark Fate might be a pretty good film but pretty good was not enough.

[JB33]

I feel bad, but everyone involved in the production should have seen the writing on the wall. Well, some of the cast probably did but figured why not take the paycheck anyway?

[Ozymandias]

11 hours ago, Panda said:

Tough year for Cameron fans eh?

 

[Zakiyyah6]

2 hours ago, dudalb said:

It needed a film that knocked it out of the ball park to revive the franchise.

Dark Fate might be a pretty good film but pretty good was not enough.

I think it had to be borderline Mad Max: Fury Road great for sure.