john2000 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, kitik said: I'm pretty sure I understood his post just fine. His command of letters is excellent. My takeaway is that you seemed to miss your own point. no i didnt, really in my second comment i did not make a comparison between the 2 movies, i just answerd to the other users, the comparison was between me and him and not for the movies there is a difference, plus i did not started any arguement , i ended it, and again my point was for the comparison between these 2 movies and fanboysm, something that was not the case at all in my sec comment Edited July 16, 2019 by john2000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geo1500 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) This thread needs police officer if the mod called on her everything would have been fine Blessed is she Edited July 16, 2019 by Geo1500 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJsooner Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Avatar is the tree. Feige is the guy drinking coffee. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin4125 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 46 minutes ago, Sagemode87 said: Which is exactly why Avatars run will always be far more impressive. No one asked me, but I am going to comment regardless. Avatar's run is more impressive, sure, though I wouldn't go so far as to say far more impressive. Avatar had many things fall into place, and unless it can replicate that success, the idiosynratic advantages it had will always detract from its success somewhat. The big issue I see brought up often is the presence of a fan base. I think what people fail to realize is that most of the highest grossing movies of all time were not franchise, fan-based films, but rather original films. Sure, original titles have struggled in the last 10 years (though this has been a relatively newer development). but in general, a big fan-base often comes with strong delineations between the fan and non-fan. When you're competing for the highest grossing movie of all time, its not a competition of Avatar vs. EG. Its technically a competition between all movies ever. An original title has the potential, however unlikely, to supercede any divides between groups of people and demographics and play as widely as possible. Fan-based event films, no matter how big, face restrictions. Endgame was not an accessible film, it basically played almost exclusively to fans of the series, and at 22 movies into the franchise, general audiences have had plenty of time to determine whether or not they are fans. Its very rare for a franchise to break out of these, shall we say, restricted audiences. Very often, later franchise films fail to out sell the break out original, because over time audiences become more and more entrenched. So, what makes Endgame so impressive, is that it is part of a franchise that pushes the limits of its prospective audience. Endgame played very heavily towards the over 25 crowd, majority male and mainly to franchise converts. It didnt strike out across under nourished demos (families (which only made up 11% of OW! and females) yet it still managed to surpass not only the previous biggest movie in the franchise (one fricking year earlier), but also the inflation adjusted totals of its original break out film (A1). So while the MCU fanbase gives MCU films a box office cushion, it also sets limits. Limits, which, Endgame seemed to push to the extreme. Again, when talking about the highest grossing movies of all time, Avatar represents one of thousands of outcomes. It happened to be the film that rose to the top of the all time box office chart, and for that to happen many factors had to fall into place at the right time (a new technology, a sharply falling global economy, a weak dollar, a great release date (December and minimal competition for weeks and weeks, AND, the broadest possible audience). However unlikely their success, original titles have the potential to play far broader than any late franchise film, and that is exactly what Avatar did. So in conclusion, a fan-base does not necessarily make EG's record any less impressive, in fact I would argue it has the opposite effect, as Endgame will soon become the first non-original film to become the highest grossing movie ever 9 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Permanent Magnet Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, Justin4125 said: No one asked me, but I am going to comment regardless. Avatar's run is more impressive, sure, though I wouldn't go so far as to say far more impressive. Avatar had many things fall into place, and unless it can replicate that success, the idiosynratic advantages it had will always detract from its success somewhat. The big issue I see brought up often is the presence of a fan base. I think what people fail to realize is that most of the highest grossing movies of all time were not franchise, fan-based films, but rather original films. Sure, original titles have struggled in the last 10 years (though this has been a relatively newer development). but in general, a big fan-base often comes with strong delineations between the fan and non-fan. When you're competing for the highest grossing movie of all time, its not a competition of Avatar vs. EG. Its technically a competition between all movies ever. An original title has the potential, however unlikely, to supercede any divides between groups of people and demographics and play as widely as possible. Fan-based event films, no matter how big, face restrictions. Endgame was not an accessible film, it basically played almost exclusively to fans of the series, and at 22 movies into the franchise, general audiences have had plenty of time to determine whether or not they are fans. Its very rare for a franchise to break out of these, shall we say, restricted audiences. Very often, later franchise films fail to out sell the break out original, because over time audiences become more and more entrenched. So, what makes Endgame so impressive, is that it is part of a franchise that pushes the limits of its prospective audience. Endgame played very heavily towards the over 25 crowd, majority male and mainly to franchise converts. It didnt strike out across under nourished demos (families (which only made up 11% of OW! and females) yet it still managed to surpass not only the previous biggest movie in the franchise (one fricking year earlier), but also the inflation adjusted totals of its original break out film (A1). So while the MCU fanbase gives MCU films a box office cushion, it also sets limits. Limits, which, Endgame seemed to push to the extreme. Again, when talking about the highest grossing movies of all time, Avatar represents one of thousands of outcomes. It happened to be the film that rose to the top of the all time box office chart, and for that to happen many factors had to fall into place at the right time (a new technology, a sharply falling global economy, a weak dollar, a great release date (December and minimal competition for weeks and weeks, AND, the broadest possible audience). However unlikely their success, original titles have the potential to play far broader than any late franchise film, and that is exactly what Avatar did. So in conclusion, a fan-base does not necessarily make EG's record any less impressive, in fact I would argue it has the opposite effect, as Endgame will soon become the first non-original film to become the highest grossing movie ever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyK Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Geo1500 said: This thread needs police officer if the mod called on her everything would have been fine Blessed is she BadAss ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfran43 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 1 hour ago, KJsooner said: Avatar is the tree. Feige is the guy drinking coffee. Oof! It doesn't end well for the guy drinking coffee though!😬 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyK Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 FFH's Monday number seems a bit on the low side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadShot Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Avatar over End Game advantages Exchange rates 3D was a must see for this movie Cameron's follow up to Titanic No competition from streaming December release No competition from blockbusters Avatar over End Game disadvantages Chinese market was much smaller Inflation Winner: End Game 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj99 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, HeadShot said: Avatar over End Game advantages Exchange rates 3D was a must see for this movie Cameron's follow up to Titanic No competition from streaming December release No competition from blockbusters Avatar over End Game disadvantages Chinese market was much smaller Inflation Winner: End Game LOL. that's all I can say to this. Can we remove all Avatar v Endgame talk from here. Im tired of it all in every single thread. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiffy Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Lol Disney should have been more subtle about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Permanent Magnet Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 41 minutes ago, sfran43 said: Oof! It doesn't end well for the guy drinking coffee though!😬 Exactly Avatar 4k re-release confirmed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrestrial Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 E.g. for the last week comparisons... Monday, July 15, 2019 <<Prev Day <Wk <Mo <Yr Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 >Yr >Mo >Wk >>Next Day TD YD Title (Click to View) Studio Daily Gross % +/- YD / LW Theaters / Avg Gross To-Date Day 1 1 Spider-Man: Far from Home Sony $5,527,448 -60% -49% 4,634 $1,193 $280,110,112 14 2 2 Toy Story 4 BV $2,810,085 -57% -33% 4,210 $667 $349,460,298 25 3 3 Crawl Par. $1,355,405 -60% - 3,170 $428 $13,360,615 4 4 6 Aladdin (2019) BV $887,127 -51% -12% 2,557 $347 $332,676,971 53 5 5 Yesterday Uni. $864,545 -57% -23% 2,755 $314 $49,139,125 18 6 4 Stuber Fox $847,850 -62% - 3,050 $278 $9,073,234 4 7 7 Annabelle Comes Home WB (NL) $781,164 -53% -39% 3,209 $243 $61,613,640 20 8 8 Midsommar A24 $558,884 -51% -42% 2,707 $206 $19,081,877 13 9 9 The Secret Life of Pets 2 Uni. $499,650 -49% -25% 2,320 $215 $147,742,630 39 10 10 Avengers: Endgame BV $332,736 -50% -13% 1,443 $231 $851,945,151 81 11 11 Men in Black International Sony $275,041 -48% -41% 1,612 $171 $76,762,230 32 12 12 Rocketman Par. $218,480 -56% -21% 1,332 $164 $92,178,496 46 - - John Wick: Chapter 3 - Parabellum LG/S $176,595 -56% -26% 1,145 $154 $167,674,727 60 - - Unplanned PFR $95,337 -13% - 49 $1,946 $18,556,799 109 - - Menteur EOne $89,864 -51% - 89 $1,010 $991,141 4 - - Child's Play (2019) UAR $84,353 -48% -64% 807 $105 $28,400,839 25 - - Godzilla: King of the Monsters WB $60,316 -58% -47% 434 $139 $109,251,334 46 - - The Last Black Man in San Francisco A24 $51,233 -56% - 207 $248 $3,386,673 39 - - Shaft (2019) WB (NL) $38,678 -60% -43% 303 $128 $20,753,571 32 - - Bethany Hamilton: Unstoppable ENTMP $32,837 -49% - 205 $160 $274,577 4 - - The Farewell A24 $30,781 -73% - 4 $7,695 $386,443 4 - - The Other Side of Heaven 2: Fire of Faith AAE $28,114 +173% -31% 97 $290 $1,256,946 18 - - Pokemon Detective Pikachu WB $27,081 -48% -22% 207 $131 $143,422,414 67 - - Booksmart UAR $22,429 -55% -5% 160 $140 $22,017,771 53 - - Ma (2019) Uni. $14,385 -54% -37% 152 $95 $45,329,935 46 - - Anna (2019) LG/S $13,629 -39% -51% 92 $148 $7,504,303 25 - - The Dead Don't Die Focus $12,890 -57% -50% 142 $91 $6,517,485 32 - - The Art of Self-Defense BST $11,912 -60% - 7 $1,702 $126,286 4 - - Shazam! WB (NL) $8,353 -50% +7% 83 $101 $140,302,278 102 - - A Dog's Journey Uni. $8,195 -49% -11% 111 $74 $22,507,380 60 - - Dumbo (2019) BV $6,908 -49% -18% 92 $75 $114,642,245 109 - - The Souvenir A24 $4,187 -18% - 27 $155 $1,026,984 60 - - A Brother's Love EOne $1,527 -53% -61% 13 $117 $446,169 39 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nguyenkhoi282 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, HeadShot said: Avatar over End Game advantages Exchange rates 3D was a must see for this movie Cameron's follow up to Titanic No competition from streaming December release No competition from blockbusters Avatar over End Game disadvantages Chinese market was much smaller Inflation Winner: End Game I think you should also mention MCU fanbase Edit: oops i saw the other post Edited July 17, 2019 by nguyenkhoi282 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nguyenkhoi282 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 4 hours ago, IronJimbo said: Avengers:FG definetly isn't more impressive, I find it annoying that you would think otherwise if I'm being honest. Ask the non-fanboys and you'll get your true answer JOHN Eh release the two movies at the same time and maybe i'll agree with you. But since both has advantages and disadvantages, God knows how long this discussion will go on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrestrial Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Exhibitor Relations Co. @ERCboxoffice 448 minutes ago More WB's JUST MERCY now drops on Christmas Day in limited release, expanding on January 10. The Brie Larson/Michael B. Jordan drama was set for January 17. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekanos Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 (edited) I think that Endgame is so continuity-heavy and basically impenetrable without seeing at least 60-70% of the MCU makes its record impressive in its own right. I'll leave it to the Cameron stans to argue if it's more impressive. Edited July 17, 2019 by Mekanos 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expensiveho Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 15 minutes ago, Mekanos said: I think that Endgame is so continuity-heavy and basically impenetrable without seeing at least 60-70% of the MCU makes its record impressive in its own right. If you've seen 60-70% of these movies (13 to 15!!!) you're also more likely to spend money on merchandising or other Marvel-related stuff. So it's really outstanding how Marvel has become such a big brand. I'm sure it'll keep making money on Disney princesses / Star Wars level for generations. (This has nothing to do with the other movie) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrestrial Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 13 minutes ago, expensiveho said: If you've seen 60-70% of these movies (13 to 15!!!) you're also more likely to spend money on merchandising or other Marvel-related stuff. So it's really outstanding how Marvel has become such a big brand. I'm sure it'll keep making money on Disney princesses / Star Wars level for generations. (This has nothing to do with the other movie) Yes, plus probably helping to start Disney+ in a strong enough footprint it might run in a better way than e.g. much money loan needing Netflix, and plus helping ticket sales for Disneyland, sales of their merchandise there too, but also making middle term and long term advertising per now young visitors (and short timed their older sibling / parents too) for their upcoming movies, like thes did e.g. for the first GotG then a few monnths before its release in 2014, and later with their Mission Breakout thing. or those https://www.insider.com/marvel-land-disneyland-info-2018-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Jatinder Posted July 17, 2019 Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 So Shivampa got bored of us calling him out on his alts. He is accusing his alts of being Shivampa making more alts. Deep. 13 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
