The Box Office Buzz, Tracking, and Pre-Sale Thread

[TheFlatLannister]

On 9/11/2024 at 7:23 PM, TheFlatLannister said:

FLORIDA 

JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX 

 

Thursday 

 

T-22

SHOWINGS	SEATS SOLD	TOTAL SEATS	PERCENT SOLD
621	3122	129088	2.4%

^{*numbers taken as of 7:00PM EST}

SEATS SOLD SINCE YESTERDAY

190

 

SHOWINGS ADDED SINCE YESTERDAY

0

 

COMPS

T-22

(0.650x) of Beetlejuice $6.37M

(0.148x) of Deadpool x Wolverine $5.71M

(0.778x) of Dune 2 $7.23M

Comps AVG: $6.43M

 

Ehhh things could be worse I guess. Still a massive failure so far. Could be a $45M-$55M opening from what i'm seeing...

 

FLORIDA 

JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX 

 

Thursday 

 

T-12

SHOWINGS	SEATS SOLD	TOTAL SEATS	PERCENT SOLD
647	4195	134381	3.1%

^{*numbers taken as of 7:00PM EST}

SEATS SOLD SINCE YESTERDAY

99

 

SHOWINGS ADDED SINCE YESTERDAY

0

 

COMPS

T-12

(0.643x) of Beetlejuice $6.30M

(0.174x) of Deadpool x Wolverine $6.69M

Comps AVG: $6.50M

 

Wasn't going to post numbers since much hasn't changed, but per request here they are. 

[iEnri]

People are saying Joker Folie a Deux can have a strong final push, but even beyond reviews, audiences scores are very bad on Letterboxd. The movie is just doomed to have poor WOM, some people are a bit delisional here

[charlie Jatinder]

3 hours ago, Menor the Destroyer said:

Joker 2 MTC1

 

EA

17706/53095, 178 shows

 

Thu

33743/670405, 3436 shows

 

Fri

24442/992604, 5087 shows

 

 

Under Flash at the same point for both EA+Thu and Fri. Combined Thu+EA is barely ahead of Marvels but Fri is less.

 

Friday being less than Marvels is a surprise since this being heavier in bigger cities should have bigger spillover theoretically. 
 

Edit: I see, THU is way way short of Marvels  relative to FRI. So make sense.

 

Yes there are EA but they are on Monday so I am gonna ignore them, besides they wont grow much I believe.

Edited Sunday at 12:29 AM by charlie Jatinder

[efialtes76]

23 minutes ago, iEnri said:

People are saying Joker Folie a Deux can have a strong final push, but even beyond reviews, audiences scores are very bad on Letterboxd. The movie is just doomed to have poor WOM, some people are a bit delisional here

48 ratings on Letterboxd!!!

Great sample...

 

[joselowe]

43 minutes ago, iEnri said:

People are saying Joker Folie a Deux can have a strong final push, but even beyond reviews, audiences scores are very bad on Letterboxd. The movie is just doomed to have poor WOM, some people are a bit delisional here

Gaga is going to start promo next week so she might give a little push for sales.

[dallas]

Any data on Super/Man?

[filmlover]

Showtimes starting to appear for Smile 2, starts at 5:00 that Thursday from what I can tell.

[AniNate]

19 hours ago, AniNate said:

For baseline comp purposes, current Wild Robot preview presales at Cleveland/Pittsburgh region Cinemarks:

 

BISTRO NORTH CANTON	0
CUYAHOGA FALLS	1
MONROEVILLE MALL	0
NORTH HILLS	31
ROBINSON TOWNSHIP	6
STRONGSVILLE	7
TINSELTOWN BOARDMAN	2
TINSELTOWN NORTH CANTON	12
TOWNSHIP MARKETPLACE	3
VALLEY VIEW	2
WOOSTER	0

 

Total: 64 sales

 

Friday sales:

 

BISTRO NORTH CANTON	7
CUYAHOGA FALLS	21
MONROEVILLE MALL	4
NORTH HILLS	79
ROBINSON TOWNSHIP	21
STRONGSVILLE	19
TINSELTOWN BOARDMAN	0
TINSELTOWN NORTH CANTON	29
TOWNSHIP MARKETPLACE	0
VALLEY VIEW	6
WOOSTER	2

 

Total: 188 sales

 

 

THE WILD ROBOT

 

THURSDAY PREVIEWS:

 

BISTRO NORTH CANTON	0
CUYAHOGA FALLS	1
MONROEVILLE MALL	0
NORTH HILLS	39
ROBINSON TOWNSHIP	10
STRONGSVILLE	7
TINSELTOWN BOARDMAN	2
TINSELTOWN NORTH CANTON	14
TOWNSHIP MARKETPLACE	3
VALLEY VIEW	2
WOOSTER	0

 

Total: 78 sales (+21.9%)

 

FRIDAY:

 

BISTRO NORTH CANTON	7
CUYAHOGA FALLS	21
MONROEVILLE MALL	4
NORTH HILLS	81
ROBINSON TOWNSHIP	25
STRONGSVILLE	22
TINSELTOWN BOARDMAN	2
TINSELTOWN NORTH CANTON	35
TOWNSHIP MARKETPLACE	3
VALLEY VIEW	6
WOOSTER	2

 

Total: 208 sales (+10.6%)

 

Edited Sunday at 03:17 AM by AniNate

[TomThomas]

8 hours ago, iEnri said:

People are saying Joker Folie a Deux can have a strong final push, but even beyond reviews, audiences scores are very bad on Letterboxd. The movie is just doomed to have poor WOM, some people are a bit delisional here

There's no audience scores until it's released. Only small portion of current votes saw the movie, the rest are bots fighting with 1 and 10, nobody saw the movie outside press at Venice. From what I see there are people who genuinely loved the movie and think it's one of the best this year. Strong reactions, positive or negative, will help, indifference is more likely to lead to poor WOM than when movie is strongly divisive.

Edited Sunday at 08:41 AM by TomThomas

[vafrow]

22 hours ago, vafrow said:

 

The Wild Robot, T-6, Western GTA (southern Ontario), Thursday Previews

 

Total Sales: 34

New Sales since T-12: 22

Growth: 183%

Theatres: 5

Showtimes: 17

Tickets per Showtime: 1.8

Chains tracked: MTC4

Ticket Premium in effect: N

 

Sales by Showtime

Late Afternoon: 16/5

Early Evening: 14/7

Late Evening: 4/5

 

Preview Sales by Format

Regular:  6/1

Regular 3D: 0/1

Dolby: 8/2

Dolby 3D: 15/8

IMAX: 5/4

 

Comps 

0.252x KFP4 for $1.2M

0.327x IO2 for $4.3M

8.500x Garfield for $16.4M

1.259x TFOne for $3.5M

4.250x IF for $7.4M

0.642x Wonka for $2.2M

 

Average: $5.8M

 

It's been a bit since I've updated this. Will aim to do it regularly this week.

 

Comps are all over the place, and I'd be reluctant to put too much into the average. It's hard to pin down what path this will follow.

 

Also of interest is that afternoon showings are the biggest sales group. Despite the appeal to older demos, it seems to still be attracting families based on that. 

 

The Wild Robot, T-5, Western GTA (southern Ontario), Thursday Previews

 

Total Sales: 40

New Sales : 6

Growth: 18%

Theatres: 5

Showtimes: 17

Tickets per Showtime: 2.1

Chains tracked: MTC4

Ticket Premium in effect: N

 

Sales by Showtime

Late Afternoon: 16/5

Early Evening: 18/7

Late Evening: 6/5

 

Preview Sales by Format

Regular:  6/1

Regular 3D: 0/1

Dolby: 8/2

Dolby 3D: 19/8

IMAX: 7/4

 

Comps 

0.260x KFP4 for $1.2M

0.313x IO2 for $4.1M

10.000x Garfield for $19.3M

1.481x TFOne for $4.1M

5.000x IF for $8.8M

0.714x Wonka for $2.5M

 

Average: $6.7M

 

Its staying strong.

 

[vafrow]

22 hours ago, vafrow said:

 

Joker: Folie a Deux, T-13, Western GTA (southern Ontario), Thursday Previews and Monday EA 

 

Total Sales: 108

New Sales: 7

Growth: 7%

Theatres: 5

Showtimes: 19

Tickets per Showtime: 5.7

Chains tracked: MTC4

Ticket Premium in effect: Y

 

Sales by Showtime

Late Afternoon: 8/4

Early Evening: 70/9

Late Evening: 30/6

 

Preview Sales by Format

Dolby: 40/7

VIP: 38/6

IMAX: 30/6

 

Comps

1.301x Beetlejuice² for $12.8M

0.850x GxK for $8.5M

0.239x Dune 2 for $2.4M

1.125x BB:RoD for $6.5M

0.310x The Marvels for $2.0M

1.029x Alien Romulus for $6.7M

Average: $6.5M

 

Monday EA Sales

Total:138

New sales: 7

Growth: 5%

Showings: 2 IMAX showing in radius 

 

EA Comp

0.317x Dune 2 for $0.6M

 

Slight decline against comps after being steady in the other direction. Nothing of concern, but will be key to watch if it's a trend.

 

Joker: Folie a Deux, T-12, Western GTA (southern Ontario), Thursday Previews and Monday EA 

 

Total Sales: 116

New Sales: 8

Growth: 7%

Theatres: 5

Showtimes: 19

Tickets per Showtime: 6.1

Chains tracked: MTC4

Ticket Premium in effect: Y

 

Sales by Showtime

Late Afternoon: 8/4

Early Evening: 72/9

Late Evening: 36/6

 

Preview Sales by Format

Dolby: 45/7

VIP: 41/6

IMAX: 30/6

 

Comps

1.333x Beetlejuice² for $13.1M

0.736x GxK for $7.4M

0.244x Dune 2 for $2.4M

0.963x BB:RoD for $5.7M

0.325x The Marvels for $2.1M

1.064x Alien Romulus for $6.9M

Average: $6.3M

 

Monday EA Sales

Total:148

New sales: 10

Growth: 7%

Showings: 2 IMAX showing in radius 

 

EA Comp

0.330x Dune 2 for $0.7M

2.027x Twisters for $5.5M

3.217x The Fall Guy for $2.6M

 

Average: $2.9M

 

I added more EA shows. That's still hard to pin down.

 

Growth in all areas remains steady.

 

[harrisonisdead]

9 hours ago, efialtes76 said:

48 ratings on Letterboxd!!!

Great sample...

 

There are 1,558 ratings on Letterboxd.

[iEnri]

2 hours ago, TomThomas said:

There's no audience scores until it's released. Only small portion of current votes saw the movie, the rest are bots fighting with 1 and 10, nobody saw the movie outside press at Venice. From what I see there are people who genuinely loved the movie and think it's one of the best this year. Strong reactions, positive or negative, will help, indifference is more likely to lead to poor WOM than when movie is strongly divisive.

However Letterboxd ratings from festivals like Venice have always been helpeful and a bit accurate to predcit the reception of movies, this has been done millions of times for different films. Usually the scores decrease after the festivals, but I have never seen such a drastic rating shift for a movie. Letterboxd isn't necessarily the GA, but I doubt the score will change that much on the site.

 

 

Plus there aren't that many 1 or 10 scores, although the 10 scores are most likely fake from Gaga fans since there is almost no 4.5 stars rantings.

 

 

Edited Sunday at 10:44 AM by iEnri

[Grand Cine]

13 hours ago, Menor the Destroyer said:

Joker 2 MTC1

 

EA

17706/53095, 178 shows

 

Thu

33743/670405, 3436 shows

 

Fri

24442/992604, 5087 shows

 

 

Under Flash at the same point for both EA+Thu and Fri. Combined Thu+EA is barely ahead of Marvels but Fri is less.

 

Clearly Thu is at 3/4 of The Marvels which is really bad , with EA, it would made around 6M . For Friday it's around 95% but the movie had Veteran's Day so bigger walkup than usual. I hope he will accelerate , because at this point not sure for 50M OW 😬

[TomThomas]

49 minutes ago, iEnri said:

However Letterboxd ratings from festivals like Venice have always been helpeful and a bit accurate to predcit the reception of movies, this has been done millions of times for different films.

Not when it's a sequel to the movie which was one of the biggest punching bags on letterboxd along with Green Book (Best Picture winner, A+ Cinemascore, 8.2 imdb btw).

 

49 minutes ago, iEnri said:

Usually the scores decrease after the festivals, but I have never seen such a drastic rating shift for a movie. Letterboxd isn't necessarily the GA, but I doubt the score will change that much on the site.

In this particular case I believe it'll increase after wide release, even the first one increased a bit over years, when hate subdued.

 

49 minutes ago, iEnri said:

Plus there aren't that many 1 or 10 scores, although the 10 scores are most likely fake from Gaga fans since there is almost no 4.5 stars rantings.

People can use other scores for fake votes as well, it's just many use 2 extremes in either side. But only ~200-300 votes from 1500 saw the movie, the rest are bots, I actually saw many 1 and 10 ratings weeks before the movie even premiered at Venice.

Edited Sunday at 11:32 AM by TomThomas

[Eric Prime]

Moderation

 

Not the Joker 2 thread. Please take this Letterboxd discussion elsewhere 

[filmpalace]

55 minutes ago, Eric Prime said:

Moderation

 

Not the Joker 2 thread. Please take this Letterboxd discussion elsewhere 

it's like clockwork at this point

[excel1]

move needed to be out in 2021/2022 latest

[Firepower]

56 minutes ago, excel1 said:

move needed to be out in 2021/2022 latest

it could've been out last year since post-production was finished by the end of 2023 as far as I remember. But they wanted to get rid of Aquaman 2 first.

[AniNate]

15 hours ago, AniNate said:

 

THE WILD ROBOT

 

THURSDAY PREVIEWS:

 

BISTRO NORTH CANTON	0
CUYAHOGA FALLS	1
MONROEVILLE MALL	0
NORTH HILLS	39
ROBINSON TOWNSHIP	10
STRONGSVILLE	7
TINSELTOWN BOARDMAN	2
TINSELTOWN NORTH CANTON	14
TOWNSHIP MARKETPLACE	3
VALLEY VIEW	2
WOOSTER	0

 

Total: 78 sales (+21.9%)

 

FRIDAY:

 

BISTRO NORTH CANTON	7
CUYAHOGA FALLS	21
MONROEVILLE MALL	4
NORTH HILLS	81
ROBINSON TOWNSHIP	25
STRONGSVILLE	22
TINSELTOWN BOARDMAN	2
TINSELTOWN NORTH CANTON	35
TOWNSHIP MARKETPLACE	3
VALLEY VIEW	6
WOOSTER	2

 

Total: 208 sales (+10.6%)

 

 

THE WILD ROBOT

 

THURSDAY PREVIEWS:

 

BISTRO NORTH CANTON	2
CUYAHOGA FALLS	5
MONROEVILLE MALL	0
NORTH HILLS	41
ROBINSON TOWNSHIP	11
STRONGSVILLE	7
TINSELTOWN BOARDMAN	2
TINSELTOWN NORTH CANTON	14
TOWNSHIP MARKETPLACE	5
VALLEY VIEW	2
WOOSTER	0

 

 

Total: 89 (+14.1%)

 

FRIDAY

 

BISTRO NORTH CANTON	7
CUYAHOGA FALLS	21
MONROEVILLE MALL	4
NORTH HILLS	84
ROBINSON TOWNSHIP	25
STRONGSVILLE	22
TINSELTOWN BOARDMAN	7
TINSELTOWN NORTH CANTON	51
TOWNSHIP MARKETPLACE	3
VALLEY VIEW	6
WOOSTER	2

 

 

Total: 232 (+11.5%)