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This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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Avatar 2 | Dec 18, 2020 | Production underway soon | Secretive project is secretive | FOUR sequels officially announced

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5 minutes ago, vc2002 said:

 

Wait, I see some sea creatures. Are they those that we're gonna see from Avatar sequels, or something Disney came up with on their own?

 

I read that every little detail had to be approved by Cameron, so those sea creatures are likely to be prototypes for the sequels. 

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13 minutes ago, KP1025 said:

 

I read that every little detail had to be approved by Cameron, so those sea creatures are likely to be prototypes for the sequels. 

 

If that represents what we're gonna see in A2, I think we're definitely in for a mind-blowing visual treat like the first one.

:ohmygod::bourne::ohmyzod::sarah:

 

 

 

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36 minutes ago, vc2002 said:

 

Wait, I see some sea creatures. Are they those that we're gonna see from Avatar sequels, or something Disney came up with on their own?

 

My guess is we will see those whale like sea monsters in Avatar 2. Also Disney can't just add creatures and stuff to Jim's world, no way they came up with it or would be allowed to.

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Just now, IronJimbo said:

 

My guess is we will see those whale like sea monsters in Avatar 2. Also Disney can't just add creatures and stuff to Jim's world, no way they came up with it or would be allowed to.

 

They can when Disney buys out Avatar as well :ph34r:

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11 hours ago, The Panda said:

 

They can when Disney buys out Avatar as well :ph34r:

The Avatar saga will be known for being at the forefront of visuals and direction, it's a bit risky to buy Avatar and expect another director to keep up with Jimbo.

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I have noticed Avatar "park" videos get about 100k views in a couple days. Seems interest is definitely there.

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12 hours ago, vc2002 said:

 

If that represents what we're gonna see in A2, I think we're definitely in for a mind-blowing visual treat like the first one.

:ohmygod::bourne::ohmyzod::sarah:

 

 

 

 

Ah, when the music kicks in it gives you the feels. Dammit, i'll miss Horner in the sequels, i just know it. :( 

 

Hopefully they don't scrap everything and instead keep using his themes cuz some of it is pretty amazing.  

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14 hours ago, Elessar said:

I have noticed Avatar "park" videos get about 100k views in a couple days. Seems interest is definitely there.

 

To be fair 85% of those views are @IronJimbo.

 

:P

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13 minutes ago, aabattery said:

 

To be fair 85% of those views are @IronJimbo.

 

:P

 

Come on don't be ridiculous.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

'cause Kal contributed at least 50%.

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Although interest is still there somewhat, how much damage will the 11 year wait do? I was 17 and a junior in high school when this came out, and when this eventually comes out, it will have been nearly five years since I graduated college. Aside from Star Wars, what other franchise can withstand such a long time gap with general audiences?

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2 hours ago, Noodlebug said:

Although interest is still there somewhat, how much damage will the 11 year wait do? I was 17 and a junior in high school when this came out, and when this eventually comes out, it will have been nearly five years since I graduated college. Aside from Star Wars, what other franchise can withstand such a long time gap with general audiences?

 

Jurassic Park just did a 14 year hiatus, Rocky took a 16 year than a 9 year one, Indiana Jones was an other very long one one, Beauty and the beast was 26 year, there is probably a short list but still a list of franchise that could take a 10-15 year's break and not be completely forgotten (Bond I would imagine too),

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22 minutes ago, Barnack said:

 

Jurassic Park just did a 14 year hiatus, Rocky took a 16 year than a 9 year one, Indiana Jones was an other very long one one, Beauty and the beast was 26 year, there is probably a short list but still a list of franchise that could take a 10-15 year's break and not be completely forgotten (Bond I would imagine too),

 

The main problem that Avatar has compared to those is that it's still only one film at this point. Also, a lot of the reason people liked it was the 3D novelty as well as the graphics, a sentiment many people I know sadly share. Unless the technology is significantly upped for these sequels, I don't see a huge turnout.

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3 hours ago, Noodlebug said:

Although interest is still there somewhat, how much damage will the 11 year wait do? I was 17 and a junior in high school when this came out, and when this eventually comes out, it will have been nearly five years since I graduated college. Aside from Star Wars, what other franchise can withstand such a long time gap with general audiences?

 

Because Avatar sequels are like the typical Hollywood sequels which reply so much on a huge OW instead of legs right? I mean, who does Cameron think he is? Yes Titanic had a 20x multiplier in 1997 and Avatar had a 10x multiplier in 2009, but come on, A2 is gonna totally act like a typical Hollywood sequel.

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On ‎5‎/‎21‎/‎2017 at 3:08 AM, Noodlebug said:

 

The main problem that Avatar has compared to those is that it's still only one film at this point. Also, a lot of the reason people liked it was the 3D novelty as well as the graphics, a sentiment many people I know sadly share. Unless the technology is significantly upped for these sequels, I don't see a huge turnout.

 

You know?? I said this very same thing I don't know how many times over the years and every time I said it, it was met with indifference.. Yes, 3D and the Novelty of 3D is what sold AVATAR more so than the story itself.. Lot's of luck replicating the same success when every movie now has 3D, whether it needs it or not...

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On ‎5‎/‎21‎/‎2017 at 1:08 AM, Noodlebug said:

 

The main problem that Avatar has compared to those is that it's still only one film at this point. Also, a lot of the reason people liked it was the 3D novelty as well as the graphics, a sentiment many people I know sadly share. Unless the technology is significantly upped for these sequels, I don't see a huge turnout.

ANd a film that many people felt was a mediocre sci fi adventure when you take away the visuals. I think it is the story and charecters that have to be upped a lot for the sequels; I am not sure that Cameron can get away with another 3 hour tech demo. He has to make a film that is a better film then "Avatar".

Cameron has hired some other writers for this;which is a good sign; Cameron's writing was the weakest part of "Avatar".

Let's put it this way;almost everybody remembers and can name the characters from Star Wars;how many people,aside from the fans, can name the characters from "Avatar"?

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^^ I disagree with almost all of this. But you're right that Cameron will need to tell an engaging story. (IMO, he's never *not* done this.)

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23 minutes ago, dudalb said:

Let's put it this way;almost everybody remembers and can name the characters from Star Wars;how many people,aside from the fans, can name the characters from "Avatar"?

 

I would think very few people, but how many time people use name and how easy the name are too remember play a large role in that test. 

 

I remember Sam and Rick name in Casablanca and I'm not sure of the others, not because they are better character than (now looking for their name) Captain Louis Renault and Ilsa, just that the movie say those name really often and are easier for me to remember.

 

I'm not sure the weak if you take away the visual for a visual medium is really fair, John Wick/Fury Road/Alien/The Raid 1-2, many movie would be weak if you remove the production design/visual quality, that said many movie had gorgeous visual and failed to reach an audience completely and create word of mouth, it must have been more than this to the success of Avatar.

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People take 2.8 billion to be granted. Only visuals, 3d hype, no cultural impact, bitch please!

If these were the only reasons some other movie would have come somewhat close to this.

 

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I feel like Avatar has been making a comeback in relevancy in the last couple years. There was a stretch there at the beginning of the decade where it did seem to be completely forgotten in the public conscious, but I've actually heard a lot of real world Avatar talk/appreciation lately. Especially have noticed how people are interested and asking about a sequel now. Maybe this gap will actually work to the film's advantage, building some hype with the wait. I mean it might have been detrimental if this had come out in 2014, (original release date lmao), back when it seemed like not a lot were caring much about the first one. 

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