Transformers: The Last Knight | 6/21/2017 | Big Budget, Weak OW?

[Jonwo]

6 minutes ago, grey ghost said:

I'm guessing the Bumblebee movie will be shelved if TF5 underperforms but I wonder how much TF5 would have to disappoint to force Paramount to reboot.

 

I think Bumblebee will go ahead, it's Transformers 6 that's more likely in jeopardy 

[Barnack]

47 minutes ago, Mr Impossible said:

 

I just don't think you should base it on presales they're not very reliable especially in China. 

 

I would have thought that China would be were presales are the most reliable, a much bigger proportion of the ticket buying is presales/online versus the rest of the world and the only market that we know the numbers I think.

 

People on the BOT China message board using them for prediction tend to be really close, much more than prediction people make domestic.

Edited June 20, 2017 by Barnack

[AJG]

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/06/20/transformers-the-last-knight-review-michael-bays-final-outing-a-complete-disaster

 

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'Transformers: The Last Knight' review: Michael Bay's final outing a complete disaster

 

Just fantastic.

[WeneedtotalkaboutKevin]

I am here to fight the hate and spread the love.

I want TF5 to be TRULY WONDERFUL. I want it to be WHIPPING and SLAYING at the box office instead.

As usual, this movie has my blessing. And let's show some respect to the man the myth the legend -MICHAEL BAY.   

[Ryan Reynolds]

Paramount desperately needs a hit

[Gavin Feng]

Chinese pre-sale is very good. 55% of Fate of the Furious at the same point, which grossed $390m

[WrathOfHan]

Anthony Hopkins saying "duuuuuuuuude" wasn't a joke? Holy FUCK  

[John Marston]

19 minutes ago, Jonwo said:

 

I think Bumblebee will go ahead, it's Transformers 6 that's more likely in jeopardy 

 

 

 

doubt it. As long as it makes profit Paramount will go forward with 6. Remember othen than MI this is their only other big franchise

[John Marston]

now who should take over after Bay?

 

 

Thinking Shawn Levy who made Night at the Museum and Real Steel might not be a bad choice but he will be working on Uncharted

 

 

maybe Neill Blomkamp since he isn't busy now

[CaptainJackSparrow]

I want Roland Emmerich, he seems like a natural choice.

[MyMovieCanBeatUpYourMovie]

 

7 minutes ago, John Marston said:

now who should take over after Bay?

 

Denis Villeneuve, of course.  Natural fit.  

[John Marston]

Just now, MyMovieCanBeatUpYourMovie said:

 

 

Denis Villeneuve, of course.  Natural fit.  

 

 

 

yeah, not happening

[WrathOfHan]

ANTHONY HOPKINS SAYS THIS IN THE FILM

 

Spoiler

"What a bitchin car she is!" http://www.torontosun.com/2017/06/20/transformers-the-last-knight-review-michael-bays-final-outing-a-complete-disaster (pretty spoilery review)

 

I CAN'T BREATHE

[antovolk]

1 hour ago, redfirebird2008 said:

Movie starts playing in 7 hours on the east coast and no reviews posted to Rotten Tomatoes. Impressive embargo by Paramount. Not sure why they are so sensitive about it though. This movie is supposedly critic-proof.

they're being extra cautious because of what happened with Baywatch and the 'powah of RT'

[Barnack]

1 hour ago, redfirebird2008 said:

Movie starts playing in 7 hours on the east coast and no reviews posted to Rotten Tomatoes. Impressive embargo by Paramount. Not sure why they are so sensitive about it though. This movie is supposedly critic-proof.

 

Part of the embargo could also be to make people doing junket promoting the movie more comfortably (must be less fun to do them when the movie is getting trashed on RT), has the movie being critic-proof I'm not sure it is the case domestic.

 

The franchise went significantly down entry after entry after the second one.

Edited June 20, 2017 by Barnack

[MikeQ]

There are a couple reviews posted on Rotten Tomatoes, for those interested:

 

If there's a movie worse than this set for release this year, let's hope the distributor has the good sense not to do it.

June 20, 2017 | Rating: 1/5 | Full Review…

Daniel M. Kimmel

New England Movies Weekly

 

Military-Industrial Uncomplicated...Despite the theme that "Magic does exist" ("It was found long ago. Inside a crashed alien ship"), The Last Knight is all mirthless jokes and thrill-less mayhem.

June 20, 2017 | Rating: .5/4 | Full Review…

Peter Canavese

Groucho Reviews

 

Peace,

Mike

[John Marston]

1 minute ago, Barnack said:

 

Part of the embargo could also be to make people doing junket promoting the movie more comfortable (must be less fun to do them when the movie is getting trashed on RT), has the movie being critic-proof I'm not sure it is the case domestic.

 

The franchise went significantly down entry after entry after the second one.

 

 

that has more to do with natural sequel drops rather than reviews. It is happening with Fast and Furious and other franchises as well

[Barnack]

25 minutes ago, John Marston said:

now who should take over after Bay?

 

If Spielberg is involved, if he is interested JJ Abrams is probably seen has a deluxe option to revitalize a franchise. I only see producing type of gig on is IMDB page, no directing one, maybe he is free.

[Cochofles]

41 minutes ago, AJG said:

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/06/20/transformers-the-last-knight-review-michael-bays-final-outing-a-complete-disaster

 

 

Just fantastic.

 

Reviews nowadays confuse me. Is the reviewer just being extra snarky when he uses "incomprehensible," or is the script really hard to follow? I have a problem believing that a film this expensive won't even adhere to the most rudimentary rules of storytelling. I am not talking about whether a script is deep and thought provoking; I am talking about basic narrative clarity. Whether it is Moonlight or Transformers, the plotline has to be easy to understand, right?

[Barnack]

8 minutes ago, John Marston said:

 

 

that has more to do with natural sequel drops rather than reviews. It is happening with Fast and Furious and other franchises as well

 

Fast is a bit of a special case, each entry grew at the domestic box office between Tokyo drift to 7, and the reviews when up too. It got down with Fast 8 but so did the reviews.

 

Hard to distinguish toxic critical reception from natural franchise fatigue, pretty much impossible to know, but the general point is that the franchise went down domestic overtime, a pit like Pirate did too, it is not certain that it is completely 100% robust to bad reviews.

Edited June 20, 2017 by Barnack