Star Wars TFA 2nd Wknd Actual: 149.2M !!!

[terrestrial]

1 hour ago, rustyspoons89 said:

What's the biggest non holiday "2nd Monday"? Not sure how to look that up. Any help? 

Spoiler

 

1 hour ago, #ED2-D2 said:

(Daily Gross / % Yesterday / % Last Week / Total Gross / Day No. or Day of Week)
 

BY DAY OF WEEK | BY DAY NUMBER

DAY	The Avengers	Jurassic World	Avatar	Star Wars: The Force Awakens	Titanic
WEEK 1
Fri	$80,813,985 - / - $80,813,985 / 1	$81,953,950 - / - $81,953,950 / 1	$26,752,099 - / - $26,752,099 / 1	$119,119,282 - / - $119,119,282 / 1	$8,658,814 - / - $8,658,814 / 1
Sat	$69,557,990 -13.9% / - $150,371,975 / 2	$69,644,830 -15% / - $151,598,780 / 2	$25,529,036 -4.6% / - $52,281,135 / 2	$68,294,204 -42.7% / - $187,413,486 / 2	$10,672,013 +23.3% / - $19,330,827 / 2
Sun	$57,066,733 -18% / - $207,438,708 / 3	$57,207,490 -17.9% / - $208,806,270 / 3	$24,744,346 -3.1% / - $77,025,481 / 3	$60,553,189 -11.3% / - $247,966,675 / 3	$9,307,304 -12.8% / - $28,638,131 / 3
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Mon	$18,898,999 -66.9% / - $226,337,707 / 4	$25,344,820 -55.7% / - $234,151,090 / 4	$16,385,820 -33.8% / - $93,411,301 / 4	$40,109,742 -33.8% / - $288,076,417 / 4	$5,578,212 -40.1% / - $34,216,343 / 4
Tue	$17,677,190 -6.5% / - $244,014,897 / 5	$24,342,515 -4% / - $258,493,605 / 5	$16,086,461 -1.8% / - $109,497,762 / 5	$37,361,729 -6.9% / - $325,438,146 / 5	$6,003,119 +7.6% / - $40,219,462 / 5
Wed	$13,612,910 -23% / - $257,627,807 / 6	$19,895,470 -18.3% / - $278,389,075 / 6	$16,445,291 +2.2% / - $125,943,053 / 6	$38,022,183 +1.8% / - $363,460,329 / 6	$3,571,345 -40.5% / - $43,790,807 / 6
Thu	$12,391,566 -9% / - $270,019,373 / 7	$17,822,580 -10.4% / - $296,211,655 / 7	$11,150,998 -32.2% / - $137,094,051 / 7	$27,395,725 -27.9% / - $390,856,054 / 7	$9,178,529 +157% / - $52,969,336 / 7
WK 1	$270,019,373	$296,211,625	$137,094,001	$390,856,054	$52,969,336
WEEK 2
Fri	$29,223,517 +135.8% /-63.8% $299,242,890 / 8	$29,114,435 +63.4% / -64.5% $325,326,090 / 8	$23,095,046 +107.1% / -13.7% $160,189,097 / 8	$49,325,663 +80% / -58.6% $440,181,717 / 8	$12,122,298 +32.1% / +40% $65,091,634 / 8
Sat	$42,905,519 +46.8% / -38.3% $342,148,409 / 9	$39,112,435 +34.3% / -43.8% $364,438,525 / 9	$28,274,406 +22.4% / +10.8% $188,463,503 / 9	$56,731,532 +15% / -16.9% $496,913,249 / 9	$12,466,455 +2.8% / +16.8% $77,558,089 / 9
Sun	$30,923,238 -27.9% / -45.8% $373,071,647 / 10	$38,361,540 -1.9% / -32.9% $402,800,065 / 10	$24,247,681 -14.2% / -2% $212,711,184 / 10	$43,145,665 -23.9% / -28.7% $540,058,914 / 10	$10,866,920 -12.8% / +16.8% $88,425,009 / 10
Mon	$7,923,789 -74.4% / -58.1% $380,995,436 / 11	$11,566,225 -69.8% / -54.4% $414,366,290 / 11	$19,418,139 -19.9% / +18.5% $232,129,323 / 11	-	$7,942,520 -26.9% / +42.4% $96,367,529 / 11

 

 

 

Hi Ed, not sure if you get a info for this quote:

if interested in:

when you copy BOM comparison, ... with the titles and the little thumnail-pictures in the title and do not want to have the chart leave the screen (width):

delete all pictures (the link for those are the main reason for it),

if not enough:

delete 1 title, click in the field, movie the curser down with the down arrow and write the tile yourself into the field. If the new title still is underlined, try again to move down to the bottom area of said field. Repeat with all titles.

 

rustyspoons89:

at boxofficemojo.com is on the left side a collum with a list of words, titled:

Social
Features
Box Office
Indices

 

click on Box Office => All Time and scroll down to the record you are interested in. Be aware = within those record 'areas' often there are again sub-areas to chose from

 

Already reached records of a movie are also under the movie's main entry at BOM to find, sometimes you have to scroll a bit

[terrestrial]

the picture still has the wrong estimates in it...

 

 

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[baumer]

7 hours ago, Salacious Tree Crumb said:

69% second weekend drop in the UK is pretty great.

 

 

that seems pretty stupid, what is the point of the spoiler function then if we are not allowed to use it? anyway I cant edit my post to remove it as the editing on forum is broken.

also you might want to make that rule clear somewhere, like in title .

 

Sorry but have you not been here for the last ten days?  This has been made clear for about oooooo TEN DAYS. 

[MovieMan89]

24 minutes ago, #ED2-D2 said:

 

I did the math. TDK wins.

Is that like the "math" that puts Interstellar ahead of Gravity and The Martian? 

[redfirebird2008]

Harpo, according to your logic Avatar sold over 95m tickets even though there are articles on BOM itself that contradict what that BOM chart says.

 

Avengers, TDK, and SM1 are all in the low 70m admission area. It is a coin toss between the three of them. SM1 had no premium tickets. TDK had IMAX and that's it. Avengers had IMAX, PLF, and 3D. 

Edited December 29, 2015 by redfirebird2008

[Jim Shorts]

Pfft...couldn't even break $150 2nd weekend.  Time to start a What went wrong thread.

[blackspider]

Arguments over estimated admissions. Just another day in the BOT forums. I do enjoy seeing differing viewpoints on the whole ticket sales/adjusted for inflation, etc.

[Ozymandias]

Theres been a glitch in the Matrix.  Circular avatars and snowflakes.

[spizzer]

53 minutes ago, Harpospoke said:

 

Because TDK fans are kinda crazy and use double standards.   You posted the link to BOM and used it to say,  "It sold 74M tickets."  

 

....But then are going to completely discount BoM when it comes to Avengers.   That is very convenient for TDK, isn't it?    That's why I think you are a TDK fan because that's how they act.

 

Yeah because BOM's 2008 ticket prices aren't affected by the 3D boom, while as 2009-onwards prices are.  It's pretty simple.  I even adjusted my TDK number once I was informed of its IMAX share.  This is just petty, you're attempting to invalidate the meat of my argument because you see fit to apply a label on me, and that label somehow justifies ignoring the actual points being made.  I notice you had nothing to say to my actual explanations.

 

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There is an even more significant difference in ticket prices because of inflation and that wasn't a part of the conversation when TDK was passing older films.  I'm not supposed to notice how the conversation changed when TDK was on the other side?

 

This is silly.  

 

1. I'm not trying to diminish or prop up anything, as I've already established, I'm only interested in gaining as accurate a picture as possible.

2. BOM's inflation adjustment tools are systematic and that system does not accurately account for format splits on a per-film basis.  I am attempting to correct for that as much as possible.

3.  I don't care what other people were or weren't saying when TDK was passing older films.  I try my best to apply this standard on all films, this isn't something exclusive to TDK and anything competing with it.  I spent plenty of time trying to evaluate the admissions of the THG films, the Hobbit films, the Marvel films, Frozen last year (admissions comps with TS3/Shrek/etc.), and Potter (I AM most definitely a Potter fan, no secrets there).  

 

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Which is one of the problems with estimating admissions, isn't it?   There is no way to nail down things like discounted tickets.   You have to say "somewhere in the vicinity" to describe 3D share.  That's why no one can make the claims you are making as if you have hard numbers to go by.  Admissions is about estimating and guessing.  You come to different conclusions than BoM, but that doesn't mean you are right and they are wrong.   

 

That certainly does not mean we shouldn't endeavor to get estimate the best data possible.  BOM's inflation adjustment system has a RECOGNIZABLE PROBLEM, its not something vague and unknown.  And given that studios often do provide 3D splits, it is possible to calculate better estimates than they've provided.  It'd be one thing if we were completely in the dark; we had no idea how they were doing their estimates and we had no idea what the 3D splits were.  But that is not the case, we are provided enough information and data that we can do better.  To not do so and simply accept what we're provided is quite frankly both ignorant and regressive.  This is a BO board, there are a considerable number of us that want to dig deeper.

 

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As of now, Avengers is listed above TDK on all the lists so speculating is fun but certainly not factual.  You are acting like you are speaking in absolute facts or something.    

 

No, it is more probable that TDK > Avengers in admissions is factual than the opposite, that's my point.  Again, this is a problem that BOM themselves have admitted to existing.  Take a look at one of their late reports for Avatar.  

 

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=2667&p=.htm

 

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Breaking domestic down, nearly 81 percent of Avatar's gross is from 3D presentations. Normal 3D accounts for over 64 percent of the gross, while IMAX 3D accounts for more than 16 percent. That leaves the 2D theaters with an over 19 percent share of the gross.

 

According to the National Association of Theater Owners, the latest available statistic for national average ticket price is $7.61 for the fourth quarter of 2009. IMAX reports an average ticket price of $14.58, but, at the time of this writing, there is no official word for regular 3D presentations. A survey of theaters across the country shows a $2 to $4 premium for 3D over 2D and indicates a $10 average ticket price. With these stats one can estimate 38.7 million tickets have been sold in regular 3D, 15.2 million sold in 2D and 6.8 million tickets sold in IMAX 3D.

 

All told, Avatar's estimated admission count is 60.7 million thus far, or less than Titanic through the same point (47 days in). It's also less than half of Titanic's 128 million total estimated admissions. Emphasizing the impressiveness of Avatar, it took such recent blockbusters as The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, Spider-Man 2, The Passion of the Christ and Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith their entire runs to reach around 60 million admissions.

 

That's from when it hit 600M and passed Titanic's total at the time.  Yet their system has Avatar listed at 95.9M tickets sold with 760M, so at 600M it should have been 76M tickets, not 60M.  They even say that the reported average price of a ticket at the time is $7.61, at 600M, that's the equivalent of 78.8M tickets.  If you looked at their all time adjusted list at that time, Avatar would have been listed at 78.8M tickets and an adjusted gross in the top 25.  What gives?  The FACT is that they knew their systematic calculation system was wrong, it's a weaker representation of the truth than they one they present in the article - the exact same method I'm using (pretty simple at that).  Are they inaccurate as well?  It's clear they knew that there was a problem, so why shouldn't we continue to acknowledge it?

 

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 I think I'll stick with BoM....and not just when it's convenient like you did.

 

I just don't understand why you're under this impression.  I've already said I apply this standard to every film I can, why are you convinced that I'm just backing TDK here?  I mean we're focusing on TFA right, I've hardly been "upset" that its about to blow TDK out of the water.  On the contrary I've been quite bullish. 

[terrestrial]

... and again the forum changes without my involvement the background to the snowy one...

 

checking the 'theme' drop down again:

again the earlier chosen design is not on the list anymore, seems like the software then decides to fall back to default!?

 

Is there a possibility for a simple uni-color, preferable a grey one? Without all the ... we say 'Schnick-Schnack', I have no idea what the English term is = without all the 'extra effects', pictures...

[filmlover]

Sigh.

 

I need a vacation.

[vc2002]

SW7's DOM and OS is running neck to neck. Well, eventually OS will be about 200m bigger than DOM. Even tho SW is never known for have a much larger OS share, the fact that OS has been expanded so much during the last decade still makes SW7's 55% OS share a bit weird. Even the closest comparisons, TA and JW, had much higher OS share percentage. Should we say SW7 over-performed DOM, or under-performed OS?

 

Or maybe neither?

[AndyLL]

4 minutes ago, terrestrial said:

... and again the forum changes without my involvement the background to the snowy one...

 

 

WB is trying to fix the themes that got broken in the update last night.  It's best just to left the themes alone until he's done.

[JeepCSC]

It could have just been better at overperforming domestically than at overperforming overseas.

[blackspider]

2 minutes ago, vc2002 said:

SW7's DOM and OS is running neck to neck. Well, eventually OS will be about 200m bigger than DOM. Even tho SW is never known for have a much larger OS share, the fact that OS has been expanded so much during the last decade still makes SW7's 55% OS share a bit weird. Even the closest comparisons, TA and JW, had much higher OS share percentage. Should we say SW7 over-performed DOM, or under-performed OS?

 

Or maybe neither?

 

Star Wars has always been an American first phenomenon that the rest of the world embraces but just nowhere near the same level of fervor. I expect the OS share to increase a little but the split will probably be 40/60 at best the way things are looking.

[mikeymichael]

I still say TFA is gonna make at least 300 million in China. Everything I've read says that the hype is ramping up to another level after the premiere. Think TFA will unseat Furious 7 as the 3rd place OS champ and end up with somewhere in the ballpark of 1.25 billion.

[redfirebird2008]

8 minutes ago, vc2002 said:

SW7's DOM and OS is running neck to neck. Well, eventually OS will be about 200m bigger than DOM. Even tho SW is never known for have a much larger OS share, the fact that OS has been expanded so much during the last decade still makes SW7's 55% OS share a bit weird. Even the closest comparisons, TA and JW, had much higher OS share percentage. Should we say SW7 over-performed DOM, or under-performed OS?

 

Or maybe neither?

 

The domestic performance is just insane. Looking at $950m+. Pretty tough to do that well in all markets. 

[terrestrial]

O.K., I do not want to participate in the whole adjusted / 3D... prices discussion.

But:

at least some of the ones so happy to point those differences between past and more actual movies out and using older movie's datas seem to assume that the ticket-price difference in the farer past weren't compareable / equal different than nowadays.

 

Wrong

you seem to underestimate children tickets were other percentages, car cinemas existed in other numbers, the older real big cinemas with no fun to sit on 'chairs' and better ones like a living room.... existed then too, and some other details, like big difference in regional prices...
The movies run usually more than 3 month like nowadays, people had to rewatch them in the cinema, if they wanted to be sure to get to watch them at all or within a 2y+ time-frame

and so on

Ignoring admissions:

depending on the year even the % a studio got and... where following other 'rules'

[DarthWalker]

R.I.P. $1B Domestic

[theendsnotnearitshere]

What a flop. No Mon numbers? I'll get really mad if it goes below 28 today.

 

Terrestrial, why are you still awake? School break?

 

Daddy's home FTW next weekend!!

 

You Americans really can blame OS for saving so many shitty movies and turning bullshit like T4 into great success, but then you make DH a hit and any credibility is lost.