Black Adam | October 21, 2022 | New Line | Don't worry, it's a hit. Dwayne Johnson says so!

[DlAMONDZ]

What exactly constituted giving this movie a $200m budget in the first place?

[clockwork]

26 minutes ago, DlAMONDZ said:

What exactly constituted giving this movie a $200m budget in the first place?

Overconfidence. Warner Brothers has been giving out 200 million budgets to everybody and their momma the last few years and barely any of those big budget movies turned a profit. The Suicide Squad did poorly, Matrix Resurrections is probably their biggest bomb in recent years, The Batman managed to do pretty well, Fantastic Beasts 3 was sorta a flop but still managed to get over 400 mil, and it looks like Black Adam might struggle to get past 400 million too.

 

They have nobody to blame but themselves for their poor performance within the past year.

Edited November 3, 2022 by clockwork

[Dominic Draper]

52 minutes ago, DlAMONDZ said:

What exactly constituted giving this movie a $200m budget in the first place?

The previous regime was entirely incompetent.

[Macleod]

Yep.  This should have been a $125 mil/ $150 mil budget at most.  The only way they do a Black Adam sequel now is if it immediately involves Superman...and probably others.  

[Saul Goodman]

17 hours ago, DlAMONDZ said:

What exactly constituted giving this movie a $200m budget in the first place?

Tons of overconfidence in the brand and the star. Bet they expected it to be another Jumanji level hit starring the Rock. But that was 5 years ago and at least that movie had a decent script/pacing.

[excel1]

They established a true name player in the DCEU. That is worth the investment long term. Black Adam vs. Superman is bigger than Superman vs. Metallo etc

[HouseOfTheSun]

52 minutes ago, excel1 said:

They established a true name player in the DCEU. That is worth the investment long term. Black Adam vs. Superman is bigger than Superman vs. Metallo etc

Just because they released a movie doesn’t mean they established anything. This movie will be forgotten very quickly if it hasn’t been already 

[Jeight]

7 hours ago, excel1 said:

They established a true name player in the DCEU. That is worth the investment long term. Black Adam vs. Superman is bigger than Superman vs. Metallo etc

They established nothing.  As with most DC films.  There is no hook. 

[VENOM]

1 hour ago, Jeight said:

They established nothing.  As with most DC films.  There is no hook. 

They established the rock is Black Adam and more importantly the character everyone was waiting to see is back at least.

[VENOM]

On 11/3/2022 at 10:50 PM, DlAMONDZ said:

What exactly constituted giving this movie a $200m budget in the first place?

Old management (who are now fired) and stupidity. WB learned an expensive lesson.. the new management at least recognise what is actually worth spending money on. Let’s see if they actually deliver though.

[Jeight]

21 hours ago, VENOM said:

They established the rock is Black Adam and more importantly the character everyone was waiting to see is back at least.

Everyone according to who? The character you are talking about is someone general audiences dont really give a shit. His inability to connect along with other big names is obe of the main reasons the dceu failed.

 

You seriously believe some fabs on twitter represent "everypne"?

[Factcheck]

20 minutes ago, Jeight said:

Everyone according to who? The character you are talking about is someone general audiences dont really give a shit. His inability to connect along with other big names is obe of the main reasons the dceu failed.

 

You seriously believe some fabs on twitter represent "everypne"?

DCEU failed? Next year The Flash will do 700M+ bcz of Batman. Aquaman 2 will do 1 B+, joker2 will do 1B+ again. And then they will release Man of Steel 2, Batman 2, Wonder Woman 3 all can do huge at box office. If you want to compare BA then compare him with Shang-Chi.

[TMP]

6 minutes ago, Factcheck said:

DCEU failed? Next year The Flash will do 700M+ bcz of Batman. Aquaman 2 will do 1 B+, joker2 will do 1B+ again. And then they will release Man of Steel 2, Batman 2, Wonder Woman 3 all can do huge at box office. If you want to compare BA then compare him with Shang-Chi.

you're responding to an obvious troll lmao, just look at his post history

[VENOM]

46 minutes ago, Jeight said:

Everyone according to who? The character you are talking about is someone general audiences dont really give a shit. His inability to connect along with other big names is obe of the main reasons the dceu failed.

 

You seriously believe some fabs on twitter represent "everypne"?

I stopped reading after you said audiences don’t give a shit about ********.. you can’t say that with a straight face lol

Edited November 6, 2022 by VENOM

[Legion Again]

14 minutes ago, Factcheck said:

DCEU failed? Next year The Flash will do 700M+ bcz of Batman. Aquaman 2 will do 1 B+, joker2 will do 1B+ again. And then they will release Man of Steel 2, Batman 2, Wonder Woman 3 all can do huge at box office

6 unreleased movies you have to make pretty optimistic assumptions about is not where you want to be to demonstrate franchise strength 😆 (especially when 2 of them aren't even dceu)

 

It's not exactly a big secret that it hasn't delivered what they hoped -- that's why it keeps getting shaken up on the management and creative side every few years. Maybe this last one will herald a glorious golden age of 2.5B a year or something, but it remains to be seen.

[Factcheck]

47 minutes ago, Legion By Night said:

6 unreleased movies you have to make pretty optimistic assumptions about is not where you want to be to demonstrate franchise strength 😆 (especially when 2 of them aren't even dceu)

 

It's not exactly a big secret that it hasn't delivered what they hoped -- that's why it keeps getting shaken up on the management and creative side every few years. Maybe this last one will herald a glorious golden age of 2.5B a year or something, but it remains to be seen.

Saying aquaman 2 & joker 2 will do 1B+ is just a normal prediction not an optimistic prediction because last ones did 1B+. Also it doesn't matter whether they consider Joker & Batman franchise as a part of DCEU or not, these are DC characters movies & thats what matters.

Edited November 6, 2022 by Factcheck

[Legion Again]

12 minutes ago, Factcheck said:

Saying aquaman 2 & joker 2 will do 1B+ is just a normal prediction not an optimistic prediction because last ones did 1B+. Also it doesn't matter whether they consider Joker & Batman franchise as a part of DCEU or not, these are DC characters movies & thats what matters.

1B for joker 2 optimistic sicne the first was a gigantic lightning in a bottle overperformance.

 

The issue with 1B for AQM2 is mostly uncertainty about china these days.

 

What is "that's what matters" even supposed to mean. The original claim you responded to was about the DCEU. Brining non DCEU movies into it is a total non sequitur, plain and simple. The two biggest DC movies recently being precisely the non DCEU ones is a big art of recognizing that the DCEU failed!

[Factcheck]

16 minutes ago, Legion By Night said:

1B for joker 2 optimistic sicne the first was a gigantic lightning in a bottle overperformance.

 

The issue with 1B for AQM2 is mostly uncertainty about china these days.

 

What is "that's what matters" even supposed to mean. The original claim you responded to was about the DCEU. Brining non DCEU movies into it is a total non sequitur, plain and simple. The two biggest DC movies recently being precisely the non DCEU ones is a big art of recognizing that the DCEU failed!

In the end what really matter is how much DC movies making at box office, whether they are part of Connected storyline(DCEU) or not. If their big characters(Batman, Aquaman, Joker, Superman, Flash, WW) does 700-1B+ then we can't say DC/DCEU is dead.

[Legion Again]

45 minutes ago, Factcheck said:

In the end what really matter is how much DC movies making at box office, whether they are part of Connected storyline(DCEU) or not. If their big characters(Batman, Aquaman, Joker, Superman, Flash, WW) does 700-1B+ then we can't say DC/DCEU is dead.

In the end what matters for DCEU is how DCEU movies do. 

 

In the end what matters for DC is how DC movies do.

 

Some things may be true for one that are not true for the other.

 

I feel like this is like, very very simple.

 

 

Edited November 6, 2022 by Legion By Night

[Jeight]

6 hours ago, Factcheck said:

DCEU failed? Next year The Flash will do 700M+ bcz of Batman. Aquaman 2 will do 1 B+, joker2 will do 1B+ again. And then they will release Man of Steel 2, Batman 2, Wonder Woman 3 all can do huge at box office. If you want to compare BA then compare him with Shang-Chi.

Yes, it has clearly failed since most their movies are critically panned and have flopped/underperformed. In fact none of their last 5 movies have managed to gross more than 400.  Even if the flash makes 700 it has a 300 million budget which means it will be a flop as well. Aquaman will not gross a billion without China and is very up to the air if it will get a release there. Only Joker 2 has a chance for a billion and its NOT DCEU. As for MOS and WW3 talk to me when they are officially announced.

 

And why would i compare BA to shang-chi which has released in September 2021? Shang chi has released during very different circumastances when audiences were a lot more hesistant to go to theaters.  Yes, there were vaccines but people were still unsure and cautious way more than they are ONE YEAR LATER.