91st Academy Awards - Discussion thread - RACISM IS OVER, THANKS GREEN BOOK

[The Futurist]

Greenbook had the best food jokes.

[MrGlass2]

20 minutes ago, The Dark Rock said:

 

Olivia winning was a joke. She shouldn't have been even nominated as leading actress. Her role was supporting and  should have been fine with that.

Disagree, Colman deserved to win.

 

But you raise an interesting point: the three actresses in The Favourite were equally important. If anything, it looked like Stone was the lead (not sure which one had the most screen time or lines). Usually actors move to Supporting to win an Oscar more easily. But in this case only Colman was left as Lead, and only she won.

[Rebeccas]

Colman in lead makes total sense considering Nicole Kidman won lead actress for The Hours. Kidman also had the least screentime between her, Meryl and Julianne but her character sort of binds the movie together and that was Colman's role as well.

[filmlover]

46 minutes ago, WittyUsername said:

For the record, none of the movie’s awards are going to Bryan Singer. 

The Editing win was probably for the entire situation in how the movie had to be salvaged in the editing room after his firing.

[MovieMan89]

1 hour ago, RichWS said:

Green Book winning Screenplay is Birdman-level bad.

The Favourite was far and away the best in that cat, but GB was second. The entire reason that movie works is the script. 

Edited February 25, 2019 by MovieMan89

[Mulder]

1 minute ago, MovieMan89 said:

The Favourite was far and away the best in that cat, but GB was second. The entire reason that movie works is the script. 

First Reformed absolutely blows Green Book out of the water script wise.

[That One Girl]

1 minute ago, MovieMan89 said:

The Favourite was far and away the best in that cat, but GB was second. The entire reason that movie works is the script. 

 

The entire reason Green Book even comes close to being tolerable is because they hired two great actors (Viggo and Mahershala) who had great chemistry with each other.  That's easily the only aspect of the movie that works.

[MovieMan89]

38 minutes ago, That One Guy said:

 

The entire reason Green Book even comes close to being tolerable is because they hired two great actors (Viggo and Mahershala) who had great chemistry with each other.  That's easily the only aspect of the movie that works.

It had great acting and a great script. That will get you Best Picture far more reliably than any other combo of exceptional technical aspects. 

[Mulder]

2 minutes ago, MovieMan89 said:

It had great acting and a great script. That will get you Best Picture far more reliably than any other combo of exceptional technical aspects. 

"You don't know how to eat fried chicken" is definitely the peak of 2018's scripts.

[Valonqar]

5 minutes ago, MovieMan89 said:

It had great acting and a great script. That will get you Best Picture far more reliably than any other combo of exceptional technical aspects. 

this. relatable aspects make the audience connect with the movie. pretty pictures alone do not. 

Edited February 25, 2019 by Valonqar

[MovieMan89]

2 minutes ago, Mulder said:

"You don't know how to eat fried chicken" is definitely the peak of 2018's scripts.

Made perfect sense for Viggo’s character to say at that point in his arc. Point out where the flaws in the script are or stop trying to be combative for the sake of it.

[Mulder]

Just now, MovieMan89 said:

Made perfect sense for Viggo’s character to say at that point in his arc. Point out where the flaws in the script are or stop trying to be combative for the sake of it.

The thing is the movie never points it out as a bad thing, it does it to show Doc Shirley as 'out of touch' and it's just a charming attribute of Viggo's character that's never fully addressed. 

[Rebeccas]

Green Book's screenplay is basic as hell. It's essentially every white savior movie cliché all wrapped up in one.

 

This had a better script!

 

[Barnack]

9 minutes ago, Mulder said:

The thing is the movie never points it out as a bad thing, it does it to show Doc Shirley as 'out of touch' and it's just a charming attribute of Viggo's character that's never fully addressed. 

Not sure to follow, how it is a bad thing for someone to show how the working class people live and eat to the elite out of touch others in a movie ?

 

That a really really common trope in rich pass time with poorer movies, The Upside Hot Dog scene and so on (and that being the big Green Book flaw, how unoriginal it is).

Edited February 25, 2019 by Barnack

[Mulder]

2 minutes ago, Barnack said:

Not sure to follow, how it is a bad thing for someone to show how the working class people live and eat to the elite out of touch others in a movie ?

 

That a really really common trope in rich pass time with poorer movies, The Upside Hot Dog scene and so on (and that being the big Green Book flaw, how unoriginal it is).

Because it's 

A. Inaccurate to how Doc Shirley was in real life ((As said by his family)) 

 

And B. A stereotype being forced upon him which is somehow bad that he doesn't have

[CoolioD1]

 

[MovieMan89]

Just now, Barnack said:

Not sure to follow, how it is a bad thing for someone to show how the working class people live and eat to the elite out of touch others in a movie ?

 

That a really really common trope in rich pass time with poorer movies (and that being the big Green Book flaw, how unoriginal it is).

Don’t bother trying to reason with anyone on this one. Some people are desperate to find something that isn’t there. Just like the movie where a black man is the cultured, intelligent one that teaches the ignorant white guy how to be less ignorant and racist is somehow a “white savior” movie. Because what a horrific concept for a racist to realize the error of their ways and change. We don’t want that in the world. More “race war is inevitable” messages please. 

[Valonqar]

You can't compete with accessible and likable if your product is inaccessible and/or unlikable. people vote for what they like. If a book's a masterpiece but has dry or incomprehensible writing style, I won't finish it and won't vote for it. same goes for movies. people won't watch won't finish watching or will simply compare and go for what they enjoyed.

Edited February 25, 2019 by Valonqar

[Jake Gittes]

13 minutes ago, Rebeccas said:

Green Book's screenplay is basic as hell. It's essentially every white savior movie cliché all wrapped up in one.

 

This had a better script!

 

04:12-04:22 is about the fried chicken in Green Book. And 05:00-05:16 gets at what's fundamentally bullshit about it.

[Barnack]

1 minute ago, Mulder said:

Because it's 

A. Inaccurate to how Doc Shirley was in real life ((As said by his family)) 

 

And B. A stereotype being forced upon him which is somehow bad that he doesn't have

That a completely different point you are making, ( maybe we are in 2 different conversation right now), my message was:

 

The thing is the movie never points it out as a bad thing, 

 

Point what has a bad thing ?

 

 just a charming attribute of Viggo's character that's never fully addressed. 

 

How is it not charming the poor people showing is way of life to the elites, what should be addressed ? Was DiCaprio character showing how the poor dance and have fun to the elite in Titanic a big issue, that should have been addressed ? Yes it promote some weird false stereotype that elites do not have funs in parties and are make it bigger how out of touch they are, but that what movie do, make stuff bigger than life for amusement.

 

Maybe Viggo character started has more refined, less caricature of a racist, those end up meeting in the middle learning of each other story are interesting has how big the cap was.

 

Take The Imitation Game, that was really far from Turing personality apparently, but that how you turn it in a successful movie.