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[CoolioD1]

I think if they gotta push it either early october in the "joker" slot (venom 2 so isn't going to make that date they didn't even finish filming when it shut down) or just next summer.

[grim22]

3 minutes ago, antovolk said:

Since Top Gun was filmed in IMAX it automatically takes priority over anything else. This exact situation happened with Valerian and Dunkirk in July 2017. Valerian lost the screens as soon as Nolan announced that date. Besson even complained about that on the press circuit

What about when WW84 takes that slot though, that is when Top Gun 2 runs into trouble as IMAX's precedence goes

 

IMAX Film > IMAX Digital > formatted for IMAX

 

Will be an interesting release date tug of war. Wonder Woman moving to Christmas will pretty much mean Top Gun can't take over IMAX screens as they want to, Tenet won't be moving to Christmas, too much audience overlap. Wonder Woman most likely will. 

 

I can see an Aquaman/Bumblebee type split in digital IMAX but Wonder Woman retaining film IMAX screens if that happens.

[antovolk]

15 minutes ago, grim22 said:

What about when WW84 takes that slot though, that is when Top Gun 2 runs into trouble as IMAX's precedence goes

 

IMAX Film > IMAX Digital > formatted for IMAX

 

Will be an interesting release date tug of war. Wonder Woman moving to Christmas will pretty much mean Top Gun can't take over IMAX screens as they want to, Tenet won't be moving to Christmas, too much audience overlap. Wonder Woman most likely will. 

 

I can see an Aquaman/Bumblebee type split in digital IMAX but Wonder Woman retaining film IMAX screens if that happens.

Much like Tenet can't move to December because of Top Gun, neither can Wonder Woman. Especially because it's not Nolan. They don't differentiate between shot on IMAX film or shot on IMAX digital releases. Though 'formatted for IMAX' releases like MCU and Deakins can be as short as a week.

 

Edit: missed your other post re: priority films - Top Gun is definitely a priority film for them as of the latest earnings call, they're going all in with the 'this was shot in IMAX' for it.

Edited April 2, 2020 by antovolk

[lorddemaxus]

20 minutes ago, grim22 said:

It wasn't one of their priority movies. IMAX laid out the 4 movies they had as priority which were their IMAX film movies

Those were a list of major films shot in 70mm in an article from indiewire about that format. Hat nothing to do that with IMAX, but I agree with you.

[grim22]

2 minutes ago, antovolk said:

Much like Tenet can't move to December because of Top Gun, neither can Wonder Woman. Especially because it's not Nolan. They don't differentiate between shot on IMAX film or shot on IMAX digital releases. Though 'formatted for IMAX' releases like MCU and Deakins can be as short as a week.

Wonder Woman definitely can. We already saw Aquaman and Bumblebee share IMAX. Nolan won't want to share IMAX, but Wonder Woman can, especially since it will get PLF sharing as well. Bond gets its 3 weeks, Wonder Woman moves to Dec 18 to get IMAX from Bond, it maintains IMAX Film theaters like Universal, Lincoln Square, Museums and shares showtimes with Top Gun 2 elsewhere. 

 

Top Gun 2 will be hurt more by WW84 moving to Dec 18 than WW84 will be by Top Gun 2. That is what I see WB doing if theaters don't open by July. Tenet goes to October, WW84 goes to Dune's slot to become the big movie of Christmas. There's enough of a demographic difference between WW84 and Top Gun 2 for both to survive and make money there.

[Maggie]

Just now, grim22 said:

 Tenet goes to October, WW84 goes to Dune's slot to become the big movie of Christmas. There's enough of a demographic difference between WW84 and Top Gun 2 for both to survive and make money there.

This is how will most likely play out.  But what about IMAX screens? Top Gun looks like THE movie to see in IMAX this Christmas, but WW84 will likely get the IMAX screens.

[grim22]

1 minute ago, Maggie said:

This is how will most likely play out.  But what about IMAX screens? Top Gun looks like THE movie to see in IMAX this Christmas, but WW84 will likely get the IMAX screens.

Wonder Woman was filmed in IMAX, so they can't dump it after 5 days unlike what they can do with Dune. So WW84 will keep the screens from 18th to 23rd and after that WW84 will keep the IMAX 15/70 screens as it is in IMAX film (so about 100 of the IMAX screens in the US) and the remaining screens will be split between WW84 and Top Gun 2 like they were between Aquaman and Bumblebee in 2018.

[antovolk]

9 minutes ago, grim22 said:

Wonder Woman definitely can. We already saw Aquaman and Bumblebee share IMAX. Nolan won't want to share IMAX, but Wonder Woman can, especially since it will get PLF sharing as well. Bond gets its 3 weeks, Wonder Woman moves to Dec 18 to get IMAX from Bond, it maintains IMAX Film theaters like Universal, Lincoln Square, Museums and shares showtimes with Top Gun 2 elsewhere. 

 

Top Gun 2 will be hurt more by WW84 moving to Dec 18 than WW84 will be by Top Gun 2. That is what I see WB doing if theaters don't open by July. Tenet goes to October, WW84 goes to Dune's slot to become the big movie of Christmas. There's enough of a demographic difference between WW84 and Top Gun 2 for both to survive and make money there.

Aquaman was a 'specially formatted' release so it could. Wonder Woman won't. And 'film IMAX' cinemas getting just WW in the scenario screen sharing happens - IMAX won't make that differentiation, it's only like 50 venues worldwide at the moment that can do 1.43 by laser or 70mm, it's not even a guarantee WW84 will get 70mm prints unlike Tenet (for which 30-50 are expected worldwide)

Edited April 2, 2020 by antovolk

[babz06]

7 minutes ago, grim22 said:

Wonder Woman definitely can. We already saw Aquaman and Bumblebee share IMAX. Nolan won't want to share IMAX, but Wonder Woman can, especially since it will get PLF sharing as well. Bond gets its 3 weeks, Wonder Woman moves to Dec 18 to get IMAX from Bond, it maintains IMAX Film theaters like Universal, Lincoln Square, Museums and shares showtimes with Top Gun 2 elsewhere. 

 

Top Gun 2 will be hurt more by WW84 moving to Dec 18 than WW84 will be by Top Gun 2. That is what I see WB doing if theaters don't open by July. Tenet goes to October, WW84 goes to Dune's slot to become the big movie of Christmas. There's enough of a demographic difference between WW84 and Top Gun 2 for both to survive and make money there.

Yeah WB is not scared of Top Gun. WW 1984 or Tenet is going to December  and they will move Dune to 2021.

[grim22]

1 minute ago, antovolk said:

Aquaman was a 'specially formatted' release so it could. Wonder Woman won't. And 'film IMAX' cinemas getting just WW in the scenario screen sharing happens - IMAX won't make that differentiation, it's only like 50 venues at the moment that can do 1.43 by laser or 70mm, it's not even a guarantee WW84 will get 70mm prints unlike Tenet (for which 30-50 are expected)

You are coming from a position of Top Gun 2 will need to be the only IMAX movie in theaters when the IMAX execs themselves say they are looking to see screen splits in the future. 

 

Nolan isn't moving to Christmas, so let's remove that scenario out. The only scenario which makes sense for WB is Wonder Woman moving to Dune's slot. It's pretty much going to be WW with IMAX Film and Top Gun 2/WW sharing IMAX in other screens. WB is a big enough IMAX partner for them to get that treatment as needed as well.

[Maggie]

 

1 minute ago, babz06 said:

Yeah WB is not scared of Top Gun. WW 1984 or Tenet is going to December  and they will move Dune to 2021.

I seriously doubt Tenet is moving to December now. The movie already has low hype for a Nolan movie. I think TG2 would destroy it

[antovolk]

4 minutes ago, babz06 said:

Yeah WB is not scared of Top Gun. WW 1984 or Tenet is going to December  and they will move Dune to 2021.

You guys aren't getting this - neither film is gonna share IMAX screens with Top Gun. Since Top Gun moved first and it was shot in IMAX like WW and Tenet (digital, yes, but apart from maybe for Tenet they're gonna treat these equally) neither film would be able to just go there either and take over Top Gun screens.

 

 

Edited April 2, 2020 by antovolk

[antovolk]

2 minutes ago, grim22 said:

You are coming from a position of Top Gun 2 will need to be the only IMAX movie in theaters when the IMAX execs themselves say they are looking to see screen splits in the future. 

 

Nolan isn't moving to Christmas, so let's remove that scenario out. The only scenario which makes sense for WB is Wonder Woman moving to Dune's slot. It's pretty much going to be WW with IMAX Film and Top Gun 2/WW sharing IMAX in other screens. WB is a big enough IMAX partner for them to get that treatment as needed as well.

They may have screen splits in future in general but *not* with two 'shot on IMAX' titles. And the number of 'IMAX Film' venues that would retain just WW in your scenario is minimal anyway.

[grim22]

1 minute ago, antovolk said:

You guys aren't getting this - neither film is gonna share IMAX screens with Top Gun. Since Top Gun moved first and it was shot in IMAX like WW and Tenet (digital, yes, but apart from maybe for Tenet they're gonna treat these equally) neither film would be able to just go there either and take over Top Gun screens 

You literally mentioned how Dunkirk took over Valerian even though it moved later. Unless IMAX has signed an exclusivity contract with Top Gun 2 (which i strongly doubt seeing how it was all bulk delays), there is nothing stopping sharing, especially with other "filmed in IMAX" movies.

 

WW84 and Top Gun 2 will end up sharing in the end. Put a pin in this and you will see in December when that turns out to be the case.

[grim22]

1 minute ago, antovolk said:

They may have screen splits in future in general but *not* with two 'shot on IMAX' titles. And the number of 'IMAX Film' venues that would retain just WW in your scenario is minimal anyway.

Coronavirus is enough to activate any force majeure clauses as needed.

 

The screen sharing will happen for sure. You are assuming a lot of things which won't be borne out in the real world. If WB decides to move WW84 to Christmas, IMAX will accommodate them.

[antovolk]

2 minutes ago, grim22 said:

You literally mentioned how Dunkirk took over Valerian even though it moved later. Unless IMAX has signed an exclusivity contract with Top Gun 2 (which i strongly doubt seeing how it was all bulk delays), there is nothing stopping sharing, especially with other "filmed in IMAX" movies.

 

WW84 and Top Gun 2 will end up sharing in the end. Put a pin in this and you will see in December when that turns out to be the case.

The IMAX filming factor is the sole reason Dunkirk was able to take over Valerian's screens! 

Edited April 2, 2020 by antovolk

[Ryan Reynolds]

Valerian was an indie movie, no way IMAX would screw over a major like Paramount, even for Nolan , they would share at worst

[grim22]

Just now, antovolk said:

The IMAX filming factor is the sole reason Dunkirk was able to take over Valerian's screens! By 'filming with IMAX', that's the exclusivity deal. Not even Specially Formatted films get that.

Again, unless the contract is specifically mentioned, there is nothing stopping WW84 moving to Christmas and sharing screens. Corona complicates things in that aspect as well.

 

Your entire starting position of "Since Top Gun moved here, it blocks everything else" is flawed.

[lorddemaxus]

10 minutes ago, Maggie said:

 

I seriously doubt Tenet is moving to December now. The movie already has low hype for a Nolan movie. I think TG2 would destroy it

TG2 has low hype for a Tom Cruise movie tho.

[antovolk]

2 minutes ago, grim22 said:

Again, unless the contract is specifically mentioned, there is nothing stopping WW84 moving to Christmas and sharing screens. Corona complicates things in that aspect as well.

 

Your entire starting position of "Since Top Gun moved here, it blocks everything else" is flawed.

If Top Gun wasn't filmed in IMAX then WW84 or Tenet moving and most likely kicking out Top Gun would work.

 

I'd bet that Jenkins and WB won't be happy to share IMAX screens with Top Gun after the effort to shoot on the format (which is the key here) and likewise for Cruise/Kosinski and Paramount (IMAX even created a whole new camera certification program for them). You're basing your argument on the assumption that two IMAX filmed releases can share IMAX screens, when they've made a point of making sure IMAX filmed stuff gets a clear run specifically for the filmmakers relationships.