MLK Weekend Thread: Bad Boys 62.5/73.03 (2nd biggest January debut) | Dolittle 21.84/28.3 | 1917 21.98/26.9

[sfran43]

 

[Avatree]

10 minutes ago, Ipickthiswhiterose said:

 

Mortal Engines is an interesting comparison.

 

Another huge budget family film based on an established-but-not-exactly-premier IP that was sent out to dry with limited advertising, bad views and the expectation of a complete bomb - the only differences are that Mortal Engines looked more spectacular, had a big producers name and was released at Christmas, while Doolittle has name actors (apologies to Hugo Weaving), no production names, and was released in the January dumping ground opposite a surprise breakout hit.

 

Mortal Engines opened with $7.5 Opening Weekend. I don't think it's unreasonable to put anything that Doolittle earns above that at the feet of the star names in Doolittle, chiefly Downey Jr. Whether that is enough to constitute "star power" or not, of course, is subjective.

Sorry for being anal but how is Mortal Engines a family film like Dr Dolittle with talking animals?

It's also an original film whereas this is the fourth theatrical Dr Dolittle movie.

 

[Eric Duncan]

10 minutes ago, LonePirate said:

That overperformance by BB3 probably has studio execs reviewing their early 2000s slate to find other franchises where another sequel can be made. Rush Hour, Spy Kids, Shrek and The Princess Diaries are probably all near the top. It's no wonder they are making another National Treasure movie.

Memento 2 baybee

[grim22]

11 minutes ago, Eric Dolittle said:

Memento 2 baybee

Isn't that out in March? I think it's called Bloodshot. Guy Richie's character is the villain this time

[John Marston]

Another Mummy movie with Brendan Fraser and Rachel Weisz Back seems like a no brainer and i’m surprised it hasn’t been done yet.  I know Fraser is kind of retired but I’m sure they could coax him

out for this 

Edited January 18, 2020 by John Marston

[a2k]

		Movie	Distr	Gross	%YD	%LW	Thr	Per Thr	Total Gross	D
1	N	Bad Boys For Life	Sony Pictures	$23,500,000			3,775	$6,225	$23,500,000	1
2	N	Dolittle	Universal	$6,300,000			4,155	$1,516	$6,300,000	1
3	(1)	1917	Universal	$6,200,000	+103%	-56%	3,612	$1,717	$60,816,984	24
4	(5)	Jumanji: The Next Level	Sony Pictures	$2,175,000	+199%	-35%	3,323	$655	$263,087,975	36
5	(3)	Star Wars: The Rise of Sk…	Walt Disney	$1,978,000	+84%	-49%	3,058	$647	$485,623,801	29
6	(6)	Just Mercy	Warner Bros.	$1,650,000	+145%	-55%	2,457	$672	$15,262,643	24
7	(4)	Little Women	Sony Pictures	$1,630,000	+65%	-25%	2,503	$651	$80,121,052	24
8	(7)	Like a Boss	Paramount Pi…	$1,210,000	+120%	-69%	3,081	$393	$14,293,588	8
9	(8)	Knives Out	Lionsgate	$1,150,000	+145%	-30%	1,667	$690	$142,827,387	52
-	(9)	Underwater	20th Century…	$954,000	+123%	-62%	2,791	$342	$10,174,707	8
-	(10)	Frozen II	Walt Disney	$774,000	+136%	-37%	2,080	$372	$461,925,690	57
-	(12)	Spies in Disguise	20th Century…	$503,000	+156%	-51%	1,761	$286	$56,329,867	24
-	(-)	Jojo Rabbit	Fox Searchlight	$379,000	+822%	+586%	1,005	$377	$22,508,072	92
-	(-)	Ford v. Ferrari	20th Century…	$287,000	+222%	+30%	1,080	$266	$112,097,388	64
-	(13)	The Grudge	Sony Pictures	$265,000	+39%	-75%	977	$271	$19,397,641	15
-	(15)	Bombshell	Lionsgate	$178,000	+12%	-59%	410	$434	$28,842,908	36
-	(-)	Once Upon a Time…in Holly…	Sony Pictures	$85,000	+1,916%	+732%	705	$121	$141,243,021	176
-	(-)	A Beautiful Day in the Ne…	Sony Pictures	$80,000	+24%	-47%	365	$219	$60,283,849	57
-	(-)	Chhapaak	FIP	$32,000	+109%	-64%	100	$320	$462,994	8
-	(-)	Maleficent: Mistress of Evil	Walt Disney	$15,000	+183%	-14%	105	$143	$113,693,295	92
-	(-)	A Hidden Life	Fox Searchlight	$13,000	-34%	-47%	55	$236	$1,581,268	36

[Ipickthiswhiterose]

13 minutes ago, Avatree said:

Sorry for being anal but how is Mortal Engines a family film like Dr Dolittle with talking animals?

It's also an original film whereas this is the fourth theatrical Dr Dolittle movie.

 

 

They are both based on IPs as I said. It's based on a series of YA Fantasy novels, and I have no doubt was intended to be popular with families when it was being pitched. Dolittle also has a patchy history as a property, with the first big-budget version of the story also being a massive flop. I don't think it's a stretch to say that both were based off of IPs of some status but limited proven popular pull, which was all I said. 

 

I am merely establishing a baseline for a visually spectacular attempting to be populist, but badly reviewed and sent out to fail movie and how much it would make. 

 

I'm not commenting on how Dolittle 2019 is doing, because as Baumer has already stated, it's not even a point where we can determine how poorly the movie has actually done yet, especially not OS.

[Ipickthiswhiterose]

30 minutes ago, MrGlass2 said:

It is one of the biggest bombs of all time so every movie will look good compared to Mortal Engines.

 

And yet the point I was making is that Mortal Engines establishes a baseline for a huge budget blockbuster that tries to appeal to families, was based on an IP of limited pull and was hung out to dry by a studio that had seemingly given up on it. Like Dolittle but without any famous people.

 

I'm not trying to make anyone look good. I'm establishing what the baseline is from which star contributions can be measured give that the conversation was all about star power and star contribution. I don't see what is hard to understand about that. 

Edited January 18, 2020 by Ipickthiswhiterose

[Avatree]

Mortal Engines was a book adaptation, there was never an existing movie. Dr Dolittle from 1998 adjusts to $300M domestic.

 

I don't understand how you equate Mortal Engines and Dr Dolittle as having the same brand awareness.

[Legion Again]

5 hours ago, baumer said:

It also came out in November. Seems perfectly normal to me.

They’ve been bad compared to the usual post-holiday legs of November Disney animation. Great total, but last two weekends were disappointing and odds are the next couple follow.

[Legion Again]

5 hours ago, cdsacken said:

Lmao yep audience everywhere agree. Sequels that suck often do 1.45B world wide, a nice jump even with horrible exchange rates.

I wouldn’t say “suck” and “bad songs,” but the 1.45B finish owes a lot to F1’s goodwill. Reception and legs have been nothing special. If F2 was great would have been 1.6+

[lorddemaxus]

42 minutes ago, baumer said:

Ism't it a bit early to say that Dolittle is anything?  Do we absolutely know for sure it won't do well interntionally?

I don't think doing "well" internationally well help the movie much though. Like, it could make 300 mil OS (which I think is decent) and still be a flop.

[a2k]

1 minute ago, Arendelle Legion said:

I wouldn’t say “suck” and “bad songs,” but the 1.45B finish owes a lot to F1’s goodwill. Reception and legs have been nothing special. If F2 was great would have been 1.6+

F2 is looking at 3.65x multi which is great for it's ow. Dory did 3.6x, TS4 3.58x and TS3 3.77x.

(Personally felt the movie sucked and feel 1.45b ww is astonishing for it's quality,)

[Avatree]

In my experience people seem to really enjoy Frozen 2 too though...? People seem to think it's great. It has higher audience score on Rotten Tomatoes than the first one. I've heard nothing but good things from families who have seen it.

[Legion Again]

Just now, a2k said:

F2 is looking at 3.65x multi which is great for it's ow. Dory did 3.6x, TS4 3.58x and TS3 3.77x.

(Personally felt the movie sucked and feel 1.45b ww is astonishing for it's quality,)

Raw multi is misleading given the calendar config imo. 10-day was a huge multi of OW thanks to Thanksgiving, and several strong weekends once winter break kicked in. Outside of holidays has held kind of poorly. 

[YM!]

17 minutes ago, Arendelle Legion said:

They’ve been bad compared to the usual post-holiday legs of November Disney animation. Great total, but last two weekends were disappointing and odds are the next couple follow.

It’s a sequel. What did you expect.

[sfran43]

 

[sfran43]

WIDE (1000+)

#	TITLE	WEEKEND		LOCATIONS		AVG.	TOTAL	WKS.	DIST.
1	Bad Boys For Life	$54,700,000	—	3,775	—	$14,490	$54,700,000	1	Sony / Columbia
2	Dolittle	$24,000,000	—	4,155	—	$5,776	$24,000,000	1	Universal
3	1917	$21,900,000	-41%	3,612	178	$6,063	$76,516,984	4	Universal Pictures
4	Jumanji: The Next Level	$9,500,000	-32%	3,323	-581	$2,859	$270,412,975	6	Sony Pictures
5	Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker	$8,600,000	-43%	3,058	-1221	$2,812	$492,245,801	5	Disney
6	Just Mercy	$6,400,000	-34%	2,457	82	$2,605	$20,012,643	4	Warner Bros.
7	Little Women	$6,100,000	-22%	2,503	-713	$2,437	$84,591,052	4	Sony Pictures
8	Like a Boss	$4,600,000	-54%	3,081	3	$1,493	$17,683,588	2	Paramount Pictures
9	Knives Out	$4,200,000	-25%	1,667	-393	$2,519	$145,877,387	8	Lionsgate
10	Frozen II	$4,100,000	-31%	2,080	-575	$1,971	$465,251,690	9	Disney
11	Underwater	$3,400,000	-51%	2,791	0	$1,218	$12,620,707	2	20th Century Fox
12	Spies in Disguise	$2,400,000	-54%	1,761	-910	$1,363	$58,226,867	4	20th Century Fox
13	Jojo Rabbit	$1,400,000	587%	1,005	880	$1,393	$23,529,072	14	Fox Searchlight
14	Ford v. Ferrari	$1,000,000	31%	1,080	513	$926	$112,810,388	10	20th Century Fox

LIMITED (100 — 999)

#	TITLE	WEEKEND		LOCATIONS		AVG.	TOTAL	WKS.	DIST.
1	The Grudge	$950,000	-73%	977	-1665	$972	$20,082,641	3	Sony Pictures
2	Bombshell	$635,000	-56%	410	-879	$1,549	$29,299,908	6	Lionsgate
3	Once Upon a Time In Hollywood	$300,000	764%	705	651	$426	$141,458,021	26	Sony Pictures
4	A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood	$295,000	-44%	365	-154	$808	$60,498,849	9	Sony Pictures
5	Cats	$140,000	-75%	146	-672	$959	$26,787,835	5	Universal Pictures
6	Chhapaak	$115,000	-64%	100	0	$1,150	$545,994	2	FIP
7	Maleficent: Mistress of Evil	$75,000	-8%	105	-23	$714	$113,753,295	14	Disney
8	Queen & Slim	$65,000	-83%	120	-322	$542	$43,713,410	8	Universal Pictures
9	Midway	$60,000	-30%	113	-65	$531	$56,814,641	11	Lionsgate

PLATFORM (1 — 99)

#	TITLE	WEEKEND		LOCATIONS		AVG.	TOTAL	WKS.	DIST.
1	Harriet	$90,000	21%	95	-27	$947	$43,040,890	12	Focus Features
2	A Hidden Life	$45,000	-54%	55	-64	$818	$1,613,268	6

 

Boxoffice PRO’s 4-Day Weekend Estimates

1. Bad Boys for Life ($63.5 million)
2. Dolittle ($29.5 million)
3. 1917 ($25.8 million)
4. Jumanji: The Next Level ($11.8 million)
5. Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker($10.6 million)

Edited January 18, 2020 by sfran43

[baumer]

10 minutes ago, Arendelle Legion said:

I wouldn’t say “suck” and “bad songs,” but the 1.45B finish owes a lot to F1’s goodwill. Reception and legs have been nothing special. If F2 was great would have been 1.6+

 

Seems like you are picking arbitrary numbers here. Not sure why 1.6 is THE  number it should of had.  1.45 seems pretty darn good in my eyes.  Frozen II has nearly a 3.6X.  For reference, The Lion King had 2.85.  Toy Story 4 had a 3.6.  So seems to me Frozen did pretty well.  

[misafeco]

4 minutes ago, Arendelle Legion said:

I wouldn’t say “suck” and “bad songs,” but the 1.45B finish owes a lot to F1’s goodwill. Reception and legs have been nothing special. If F2 was great would have been 1.6+

All sequels owe a lot to their predecessors's goodwill, that's why they are usually made in the first place. It doesn't mean they cannot drop. It's still quite rare that a sequel of a 400+M DOM grosser is increasing.

Frozen is the box office king of animation, the fact that F2 is increasing by 150M+ was not too evident before release. Most people here expected it to drop WW.

 

It will be interesting to see if F3 can follow the same pattern. That will be the true test of the franchise's reception.