MLK Weekend Thread: Bad Boys 62.5/73.03 (2nd biggest January debut) | Dolittle 21.84/28.3 | 1917 21.98/26.9

[grim22]

Great OD for Bad Boys 3. 65M weekend looking likely, with 80 for 4 days?

 

Bad for Dolittle. Jumanji looks like 300 will happen. TROS will be about 10M behind Rogue One at the same point on Monday.

[Eric Duncan]

So TIL I learned that not only do The Black Eyed Peas have a song in the new Bad Boys, but The Black Eyed Peas sans Fergie all got back together a couple years back? I don't know how to feel about that.

[Ipickthiswhiterose]

Knives Out still churning out 1m+ days and has gone past Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and will overtake Detective Pikachu tomorrow. Will be 17th Dom for 2019 at that point (next would be SLOP2 at 158m). Per theatre average is OVER Jumanji and Star Wars and 4th highest of the wide releases.

 

This is an outstanding run. 

Edited January 18, 2020 by Ipickthiswhiterose

[Avatree]

5 minutes ago, Nova said:

Jumanji came out on December 13th though. Which makes it one week. 

 

5 minutes ago, misafeco said:

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl755467777/?ref_=bo_hm_rd

 

4 minutes ago, Cheebs86 said:

Why are you making stuff up?

 

Jumanji: The Next Level came out:

December 13, 2019

 

 

 

my bad. I forgot it came out a week later in america. Calm down guys!

[MrGlass2]

Since when is a huge flop the proof that the lead actor is a draw?

[misafeco]

2 minutes ago, MrGlass2 said:

Since when is a huge flop the proof that the lead actor is a draw?

There is a possibility the movie would flop even harder with a different actor. 

Maybe RDJ saved Dolittle of becoming one of the biggest flops of all time.

[Avatree]

9 minutes ago, druv10 said:

I thought you didn't even know when RoS was released.😉

some people on here are so dense...

[filmscholar]

 

23.5..............Yes!!

 

 

Edited January 18, 2020 by filmscholar

[PenguinHyphy]

36 minutes ago, filmlover said:

Dolittle not completely flopping like all the signs were pointing to definitely feels like a testament to the goodwill RDJ has (for now, at least). Hopefully the movie's poor reception and the fact it's gonna be a huge money-loser that won't be getting a sequel will indicate to him to pick his projects more carefully going forward instead of only accepting everything that promises him the big paychecks until no one cares anymore.

 

In what universe is Doolittle not a bomb? We have to be in the Twilight Zone. The entire rationale about a project losing $100,000,000 in place of $150,000,000 equating to whoever starring being a draw is some of the most perplexing shit that I have ever seen. You do not pay someone $20,000,000 to potentially lose less money than whatever starring whoever else. You pay them that to earn more money than whatever starring whoever else. It is also moot because it will not cost nearly as much without whatever supposed a-list star starring, so you are effectively neutralizing whatever higher gross with lower expenditures. 

Edited January 18, 2020 by PenguinHyphy

[filmlover]

1 minute ago, PenguinHyphy said:

 

In what universe is Doolittle not a bomb? We have to Be in the Twilight Zone. The entire rationale about a project losing $100,000,000 in place of $150,000,000 equating to whoever starring being a draw is some of the most perplexing shit that I have ever seen. You do not pay some $20,000,000 to potentially lose less money than whatever starring whoever else. You pay them that to earn more money than whatever starring whoever else. It is also moot because it will not cost nearly as much without whatever supposed a-list star starring, so you are effectively neutralizing whatever higher gross with lower expenditures. 

It's a bomb yeah, but it could've been worse. It could've pulled Pan numbers and not even reached $40M total.

[Avatree]

11 minutes ago, MrGlass2 said:

Since when is a huge flop the proof that the lead actor is a draw?

It's not proof, but Dolittle had the potential for a much lower OW.

"flop" is only based on the cost to the studio, which does not directly influence audience's attendance.

 

If Dollittle opened to for example a $200M opening weekend, but the studio spent $1 billion on the budget and it was a huge "flop", I think it'd be fair to say that RDJ was a draw, or that the film drew a big crowd?

 

Conversely, if a RDJ film grossed $1 million total domestic, but only cost 100 bucks to produce, then I don't think people would say RDJ was a draw to the movie, despite the film being a financial success.

 

It's why Denzel Washington opening every film to $20M regardless of budget shows that he's a draw; even if the movie didn't make back its money and is a flop.

Or, Leonardo Dicaprio opening every film to $40M, some of them might be underwhelming based on budget, but it's still a draw.

Edited January 18, 2020 by Avatree

[Ipickthiswhiterose]

7 minutes ago, misafeco said:

There is a possibility the movie would flop even harder with a different actor. 

Maybe RDJ saved Dolittle of becoming one of the biggest flops of all time.

 

Mortal Engines is an interesting comparison.

 

Another huge budget family film based on an established-but-not-exactly-premier IP that was sent out to dry with limited advertising, bad views and the expectation of a complete bomb - the only differences are that Mortal Engines looked more spectacular, had a big producers name and was released at Christmas, while Doolittle has name actors (apologies to Hugo Weaving), no production names, and was released in the January dumping ground opposite a surprise breakout hit.

 

Mortal Engines opened with $7.5 Opening Weekend. I don't think it's unreasonable to put anything that Doolittle earns above that at the feet of the star names in Doolittle, chiefly Downey Jr. Whether that is enough to constitute "star power" or not, of course, is subjective.

Edited January 18, 2020 by Ipickthiswhiterose

[LonePirate]

That overperformance by BB3 probably has studio execs reviewing their early 2000s slate to find other franchises where another sequel can be made. Rush Hour, Spy Kids, Shrek and The Princess Diaries are probably all near the top. It's no wonder they are making another National Treasure movie.

[reddevil19]

Will Smith in blue CG form and Disney = huge hit

Will Smith in shitty de-ageing CG form = flop

Will Smith and Martin Lawrence in BB3 = hit

 

Martin Lawrence = huge draw and should star in Aladdin 2

 

[MrGlass2]

3 minutes ago, Ipickthiswhiterose said:

Mortal Engines is an interesting comparison.

It is one of the biggest bombs of all time so every movie will look good compared to Mortal Engines.

 

[Godzilla]

4 minutes ago, reddevil19 said:

Will Smith in blue CG form and Disney = huge hit

Will Smith in shitty de-ageing CG form = flop

Will Smith and Martin Lawrence in BB3 = hit

 

Martin Lawrence = huge draw and should star in Aladdin 2

 

Gemini Man had awful reviews. 

[baumer]

1 hour ago, Eric Dolittle said:

Yes obviously Dolittle is going to be a money loss (everybody knows that) and maybe Downey shouldn't have gotten that huge paycheck. But for a movie that had a slew of production problems reported by entertainment sites, had bad, if arguably non-existent marketing by the time of release, godawful reviews, and was consistently trending downwards in tracking and presales, the fact that it's looking to do 30M for the 4-Day is kind of a miracle, and it really only comes down to two things: the last major kids movie release being Frozen II (sorry Spies in Disguise), which you can make a compelling argument for, and Robert Downey Jr. making people interested. If Henry Cavill or some shit was the lead for Dolittle, this would've been lucky to get 20M for the 4-Day, and we'd be debating how long he'd last in Hollywood.

 

Besides, it's unfair to talk about Downey only being a draw as Iron Man because he's only played Iron Man for the past 5 years. How else are we supposed to judge if he can sell something on his own? And while yes The Judge wasn't big, and I know these movies were an eternity, but do you really think the Ritchie Holmes movies would have made the numbers they made without RDJ in there?

 

@baumer If you really want to use your logic here, then how come The Rock is lumped in with Leo? In the past couple years, his biggest hits were Jumanji, Fast & Furious, and Moana, all of which were franchise fare or had the Disney Princess brand to help them out. Rampage was based on a video game. When he was forced to use his starpower alone with Skyscraper, it tanked. Is he suddenly not a draw?

 

Everyone is going to have a movie or two that doesn't do well.  But to be fair to Skyscraper, it did make more than 300 WW.  I think The Rock for themost part picks projects that are suited to his drawing power.  I don't think he is in the same class as Leo, but he's pretty consistent.  

[filmlover]

7 minutes ago, LonePirate said:

That overperformance by BB3 probably has studio execs reviewing their early 2000s slate to find other franchises where another sequel can be made. Rush Hour, Spy Kids, Shrek and The Princess Diaries are probably all near the top. It's no wonder they are making another National Treasure movie.

Didn't Hathaway actually mention in an interview a while back they were considering making a Princess Diaries 3?

[Ninenin]

Guys everyone knows the biggest draw is Andy Serkis

[baumer]

Ism't it a bit early to say that Dolittle is anything?  Do we absolutely know for sure it won't do well interntionally?