94th Academy Awards Discussion Thread | WHAT JUST HAPPENED

[Flopped]

So he has a history of slapping people? He seems like a spoiled mama's boy whose mama disciplined him with slaps. Not even punches, slaps lololol. Hope this ends his mediocre career for good. 

 

 

[BoxOfficeFangrl]

 

 

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Sunday’s show finished well ahead of the final numbers from last year’s scaled-down ceremony, which had all-time lows of 10.4 million viewers and a 2.12 rating in the 18-49 demographic. The Oscars improved by 60 percent in total viewers and 77 percent among adults 18-49.

 

Good rebound, but they've got to work out how to add a streaming component. The Super Bowl has done it while still coming on TV and the streaming figures were included in the overall viewership numbers.. Let those fancy Disney lawyers do their jobs!

Edited March 29, 2022 by BoxOfficeFangrl

[Valonqar]

Rebound from 2021 was easy. That doesn't guarantee that Oscars 2023 will go up from 2022. Historically, if you look at ratings from different years, kind of nominated movies and stars played a role in bumps. The biggest ratings ever that never got matched was of course Titanic win, 55M. From Deadline:

 

2021: 10.4 million, Nomandland (No host)
2020: 23.6 million, Parasite (No host)
2019: 29.6 million, Green Book (No host)
2018: 26.5 million, The Shape of Water (Jimmy Kimmel)
2017: 32.9 million, Moonlight (Jimmy Kimmel)
2016: 34.4 million, Spotlight (Chris Rock)
2015: 37.3 million, Birdman (Neil Patrick Harris)
2014: 43.7 million, 12 Years a Slave (Ellen DeGeneres)
2013: 40.3 million, Argo (Seth MacFarlane)
2012: 39.3 million, The Artist (Billy Crystal)
2011: 37.9 million, The King’s Speech (Anne Hathaway/James Franco)
2010: 41.3 million, The Hurt Locker (Steve Martin/Alec Baldwin)
2009: 36.3 million, Slumdog Millionaire (Hugh Jackman)
2008: 32.0 million, No Country For Old Men (Jon Stewart)
2007: 40. 2 million, The Departed (Ellen DeGeneres)
2006: 38.9 million, Crash (Jon Stewart)
2005 42.1 million, Million Dollar Baby (Chris Rock)
2004: 43.5 million, The Lord Of The Rings: The Return of the King (Billy Crystal)
2003: 33.0 million, Chicago (Steve Martin)
2002: 41.8 million, A Beautiful Mind (Whoopi Goldberg)
2001: 42.9 million, Gladiator (Steve Martin)

 

You can se that years that had big movies as winners or at least nominees that stood a good chance of winning (eg. Avatar, Gravity) and/or big star nominees (Eg. Leo, Gaga) had a bump.

 

[filmlover]

The only reason there's some sort of perception in the social media echo chamber that the Oscars (and awards shows in general) are too political now is because we just had to put up with four years of a POTUS whose pre-politics career was highlighted by being an obnoxious media-made personality who would often get into public feuds with other celebrities (something he would continue to do even throughout his presidency) and attend many of the lavish awards shows that he and his followers would whine about. We're coming up on 20 years since Michael Moore was famously booed off the stage for calling out Bush Jr. at the height of The War in Afghanistan and 50 since Sacheen Littlefeather.

Edited March 29, 2022 by filmlover

[filmlover]

Jada's official statement:

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[VENOM]

Really we should be comparing it to 2020 as comparing it to 2021 is a false dawn.

 

With that in mind the decline has accelerated.

[filmlover]

Schumer's been getting a lot of flack the past day or so for that Kirsten Dunst/seat filler bit with Jesse Plemons (especially since it came not too long after The Slap) but she just confirmed it was a planned gag between them. Photos from inside the event reveal that Dunst was off on the side for the whole joke.

 

Amy Schumer clarifies Oscars joke poking fun at Kirsten Dunst after criticism over apparent dig (yahoo.com)

[VENOM]

24 minutes ago, filmlover said:

Jada's official statement:

 

 

hollywood elites are so full of shit.. just vague pr drivel in front of a pretty background.. nothing to see here

Edited March 29, 2022 by VENOM

[titanic2187]

I feel bad hamaguchi and all DMC cast, they came from Japan for Oscar, likely not able to fully understand the entire award show since it was conducted in English, only to be further confused by will smith act. 

[Eric Lasagna]

 

[Dragoncaine]

17 minutes ago, VENOM said:

hollywood elites are so full of shit.. just vague pr drivel in front of a pretty background.. nothing to see here

Gotta love a Pinterest quote

[grim22]

48 minutes ago, filmlover said:

Jada's official statement:

 

 

That's a statement? Feels like one of those "Monday motivation" things

[baumer]

The Oscars having better ratings than last year is like saying the Americans had a better showing at the 1984 Olympics than they did in 1980.

[vale9001]

I think Hollywood just makes less movie like Forrest Gump, that's all. Today the budget for a movie like that would be probably around 75-80M dollars.

 

So they prefer to make a remake, sequel, cinecomic, reboot of something with already a sort of audience instead of taking risks.

 

The only original things they do is kind of horror-thriller movies. They usually have an appeal upon teenagers and you don't need stars to sell them (it's one of the genre you can marketizing the story), so they are low budget.

 

 

Everyone was asking why the last duel was on screens and not released on Netflix. So...

 

Now there are not a that kind of drama Oscar movies anymore. So they should just open to other genres.

 

If they give Best Picture to a movie there is just  inexistent in terms of" excellence in cinematic achievements,  artistic and technical merit " (it's not an opinion, look at its nominations) why the shoudn't nominate No time to die, A quiet place 2 or Spider man. They are a better example in filmaking than coda lol

 

Maybe this crap movie win is for this reasion. They gave the Best Picture to a movie without directing, editing, sound, score, cinematography so next year no one can say Dog or Top Gun are not good enough. It's so simple to be a better well crafted movie than Coda. 

 

 

[Barnack]

2 hours ago, filmlover said:

We're coming up on 20 years since Michael Moore was famously booed off the stage for calling out Bush Jr. at the height of The War in Afghanistan and 50 since Sacheen Littlefeather.

Which I feel is why people think they were a shift, there was a recent era where doing overt partisan political statement during the show would make the crowd boo.

 

The Academy refused for Littlefeather to read Brando letter during the show and listen to the crowd reaction when she talk about the treatment of American Indian by the film industry, she got booed, unfathomable to imagine that it would happen today.

 

It was less of an echo chamber and felt are more divided crowd by the viewer, with more people feeling is side represented.

Edited March 29, 2022 by Barnack

[Valonqar]

51 minutes ago, baumer said:

The Oscars having better ratings than last year is like saying the Americans had a better showing at the 1984 Olympics than they did in 1980.

 

This. I mean rebound is rebound but context matters. Without covid-19, 2021 would have likely had bigger ratings than what it ended up with (though down from the previous year) and 2022 would have likely dropped from that. 

 

Anyway, Oscars and other awards are simply an outdated form of entertainment that doesn't attract the young while the old ones are changing their viewing habits (streaming getting more popular by a day) and some went to greener pastures. Who the hell wants to sit through an overlong circle jerk with commercial breaks? No more than 16.6M apparently. 

 

I saw many great points written here and one that really stuck with me is that, with the death of star system, a major attraction for Oscars died too. Now most of nominees and presenters are literal who's or "that guy/girl from _____". Not a reason for majority of viewers to tune in. Couple that with the fact that Hollywood is not going to award a crowd-pleasing epic with an insane boxoffice and strong critical response a la ROTK anymore (it's been almost 20 years since) and no wonder even loyal crowd has given up. IMO, if TDK and Avatar won back to back in 2009 and 2010 than Oscars would have bought itself several years assuming they went back to awarding only smaller movies. But TDK snub and Avatar loss to the smallest boxoffice of winners ever kinda broke the camel's back and accelerated. And then they didn't even bother to give DH Pt 2 a filler spot despite stellar reviews, being #1 movie of the year and expanded Best Picture field (and then Skyfall snub a year later). Many fans really wanted that to happen judging by comments. Oh well. They amde their own bed. 

 

 

Edited March 29, 2022 by Valonqar

[Barnack]

8 minutes ago, vale9001 said:

I think Hollywood just makes less movie like Forrest Gump, that's all. Today the budget for a movie like that would be probably around 75-80M dollars.

 

Back in the days it was around 108million of today dollars (plus what Tom Hanks/Zemeckis spent out of their own pocket to finance budget overrun during the production) with really generous first dollars gross deal to the big name.

 

Forrest Gump was a giant actor with a giant director fighting for a mid budget movie to happen, in recent time

The Martian (110 millions)

Ford V Ferrari in 2019 (100 millions)

Ad Astra (80 millions)

Almost every DiCaprio movie (Once upon a time and so on)

Gravity (100 millions)

 

Mid budget original that can please adult still exist if rarer, the giant budget relative to the competition one are getting really rare since Avatar (the Gladiator, Titanic), but that in part because the competition with an IP can rise the bar because of known in advance revenues, but Nolan still make one from time to time.

 

Are not that far and Gump was competing against 4 much smaller budget affair (Pulp fiction (8 millions), quiz show (31 millions), shawshank (25 millions), Four weddings (4.4 millions))

[BestPicturePlutoNash]

10 hours ago, Tarintino said:

No the problem is all these film studies classes taught new filmmakers that metaphors and political matters brought into movies are more important than a good story. Now we have really well made movies with ridiculous and unrelatable stories so people naturally show less interest. 

 

 

 

Worst post of the year already

[Valonqar]

Oscars 2019 had Lady Gaga as a double nominee (Actress and Song plus she performed), Bohemian Rhapsody (900M), Black Panther (1.3B), ASIB (400M) as Picture nominees, and stars like Cooper and Bale as nominees with Malek poised to win for playing beloved Freddie Mercury. The telecast jumped from previous year but couldn't reach 30M. I think Oscars will be in low 20s at best, under 20M at worst from now on. If all star + big movie line-up couldn't bring 30M back on table, nothing will. 

Edited March 29, 2022 by Valonqar

[Barnack]

18 hours ago, grey ghost said:

I would say both but especially the latter. Today's oscar bait is far less accessible and compelling to the general audience. 

 

Hard to imagine more accessible than something like Coda or GreenBook, they are not Platoon or The Deer Hunter. Even Parasite, subtitle aside, Joon-Ho make really accessible large audience crowd pleaser for the most part (Mother maybe a bit less) like a David Fincher/Tarantino. And I am sure when people watch them at home, giant proportion of people (specially of the same age that oscar voter are) like them.

 

Platoon was beating movie like Children of a Lesser god, The Mission, A Room with a View in 1986.

 

There is different type of Oscar bait, the making a movie the average 60 years' old love a la Spotlight, The King Speech is extremely accessible, the high emotion roller coster/bit of nice accessible social message a la CODA-Greenbook-Slumdog Millionaire has well.

 

Hurt locker was more in what you have in mind, but I am not sure they are a majority of the front runner most years.