THE UNMARVELOUS WEEKEND THREAD | FEATURING MELTDOWNS, ARMCHAIR ANALYSIS, AND SEXISM

[Ryan Reynolds]

The Marvels maybe under 40m opening if Dune 2 came out

[Mojoguy]

3 minutes ago, Ryan Reynolds said:

The Marvels maybe under 40m opening if Dune 2 came out

It was lucky to move away from Barbenheimer.

[Valencia]

57 minutes ago, TheFlatLannister said:

 

This could get ugly fast. Hopefully, Marvel learned from the mistakes of The Marvels and don't proceed with Young Avengers film. Could that film even do $300M? I'm not so sure 

[Noctis]

Its overseas numbers are somehow even more terrible than the States. UTTER rejection.

 

This is for sure finishing below $250m worldwide.

 

 

 

[Bob Train]

1 hour ago, TheFlatLannister said:

 

This could get ugly fast. Hopefully, Marvel learned from the mistakes of The Marvels and don't proceed with Young Avengers film. Could that film even do $300M? I'm not so sure 

If they are dumb enough to make this, the BO performance will make Shazam 2 look like Endgame. 

[Ohana]

5 minutes ago, Noctis said:

Its overseas numbers are somehow even more terrible than the States. UTTER rejection.

 

This is for sure finishing below $250m worldwide.

 

 

 

It's seems well below 200M at this stage...

[Arlborn]

2 hours ago, emoviefan said:

So can we stop the Mission Flop or not thing. Neither of our sides is going to concede to the other one unless we get a Paramount Exec to tell us whether they see it as flop or not.  That lurker a while back is right. it's embarrassing we are doing this. 

Honestly? This has always been BOT. We definitely go in circles. Just wait until the eventual Star Wars movies rankings part of this weekend thread, it's literally a given for every big weekend thread...

 

Also have you followed The Marvels thread for the past month? Literal hundreds of pages of the same conversations going in circles ad nauseam.

2 hours ago, Belakor said:

Star Wars is basically a dead franchise.

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, TheFlatLannister said:

 

This could get ugly fast. Hopefully, Marvel learned from the mistakes of The Marvels and don't proceed with Young Avengers film. Could that film even do $300M? I'm not so sure 

 

Surely this is dead as a movie and Feige knows it, right? No way a movie with a bunch of Disney+ shows characters as leads gets made after The Marvels flopping, right?? I really doubt it.

 

41 minutes ago, TheFlatLannister said:

 

 

Making canon content for Disney+ is a bad idea imo. They should focus on content that are completely separate from the main storyline like DareDevil, X-men 97, What-if

 

That pretty much seems to be the plan now, with Echo already confirmed as being separate and Daredevil probably following the same idea.

 

21 minutes ago, Giorno said:

 

Expected by now, has been for a couple of weeks. Probably closer to 45M in fact.

[Arlborn]

20 minutes ago, Ohana said:

It's seems well below 200M at this stage...

Assuming slightly above 2X OW legs like Quantumania and 45% DOM / 55% OS split  that has sorta happened for the last 4 or 5 MCU movies, I give it just over 200M WW:

 

95M DOM

110M OS

 

205M WW

 

Edited November 12, 2023 by Arlborn

[Blaze Heatnix]

Does anybody know if Marvel stills remembers the three eyed Dr Strange from Multiverse of Madness? What happened to him? Where's Shang Chi? Where's Harry Styles character? What about the Blade offscreen voice in Eternals? 

 

Not only the quality is falling fast in MCU. The lack of plan is very clear. They don't know where to go with the story.

[grim22]

5 minutes ago, Blaze Heatnix said:

Does anybody know if Marvel stills remembers the three eyed Dr Strange from Multiverse of Madness? What happened to him? Where's Shang Chi? Where's Harry Styles character? What about the Blade offscreen voice in Eternals? 

 

 

 

All of them died on the way to their home planet.

[Johnny Tran]

1 hour ago, TheFlatLannister said:

 

This could get ugly fast. Hopefully, Marvel learned from the mistakes of The Marvels and don't proceed with Young Avengers film. Could that film even do $300M? I'm not so sure 

 

 

That is looking like a Great Lakes Avengers lineup.  

[TheFlatLannister]

55 minutes ago, grim22 said:

 

A movie starring a character from their least viewed show and their biggest bomb, a character from their second biggest bomb, and one from their second least viewed show sounds like a fabulous idea and something they should invest 250M in right now so that box office trackers can be amazed by the numbers being seen.

Feige or whoever is running things at Marvel right now are so out of touch with their demo that they probably think a YA film is a guaranteed hit. 

[Ohana]

5 minutes ago, Arlborn said:

Assuming slightly above 2X OW legs like Quantumania and 55% DOM / 45% OS split  that has sorta happened for the last 4 or 5 MCU movies, I give it just over 200M WW:

 

95M DOM

110M OS

 

205M WW

110 OS seems too high, If it gets 50M OS opening weekend, then 100M is the max 
(IMO it will finish in the zone of 85M)

[Zakiyyah6]

1 hour ago, TheFlatLannister said:

 

This could get ugly fast. Hopefully, Marvel learned from the mistakes of The Marvels and don't proceed with Young Avengers film. Could that film even do $300M? I'm not so sure 

A Young Avengers movie would make $12 at the box office. Feige would never.

[Mojoguy]

I fell bad for Brie, she didn't deserve this. Feige, writers, and marketing all let her down. Also worst luck in the world with the 2 strikes.

[Mr Impossible]

Biggest box office disaster of all time? Heard the budget for this is closer to $300 million and they spend at least $100 million on marketing. $200M loss for sure, maybe $300M?

[Mr Impossible]

3 minutes ago, Mojoguy said:

I fell bad for Brie, she didn't deserve this. Feige, writers, and marketing all let her down. Also worst luck in the world with the 2 strikes.

Well it’s not like she elevated the material. She brought not real charm or charisma to the role. Emily Blunt could’ve pulled it off better with the same material.

[Barnack]

3 hours ago, TheFlatLannister said:

Mi7 lost the studio money. How is that not a flop? Am I missing something?

 

Flop sometime are used for big underachiever, Mission impossible will get a sequel and the structure of the back to back covid production challenge make things a bit hard to call a flop.

 

DBO/WWexcluding China box office

5: 195/562m

6: 220/606m

7: 172/519m

 

It dropped 22% domestic, 15% ww from the franchise peak, but under a normal $200MM or so budget (which maybe it had if all insurance check get in), not really a big flop.

 

And we do not know it lost the studio money (and maybe they wont until the how much that co-shot a bit at the same time production will end up costing for the 2 movies, what they will do), how it was structured between them, David Ellison, Cruise, C2 motion.

 

For example:

https://deadline.com/2023/08/mission-impossible-tom-cruise-transformers-paramount-financiers-c2-bron-1235450302/

 

Studio are often the first to get their money back (but make a lower profit multiplier when it turn out to be a big success)

 

 

 

[Arlborn]

3 minutes ago, Mr Impossible said:

Biggest box office disaster of all time? Heard the budget for this is closer to $300 million and they spend at least $100 million on marketing. $200M loss for sure, maybe $300M?

Hard to know for sure when we are never sure on the budget or on the marketing spending, but it feels like The Flash was both more expensive and had a bigger marketing push.

 

It's splitting hairs at this point though, they'll probably both lose a similar fortune.

[John Marston]

The Marvels is making less than Batman & Robin domestic and worldwide