Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets | July 21, 2017 | FLOP OF THE YEAR

[Elessar]

14 minutes ago, redfirebird2008 said:

 

That didn't stop people from predicting it to flop back in 2009. 

 

One more in a long list of bad predictions...

 

Pretty sure not many predicted it to outright flop, though. Most had it doing decent if unspectacular numbers if i remember correctly.

Edited June 25, 2017 by Elessar

[redfirebird2008]

Just now, Elessar said:

 

One more in a long list of bad predictions...

 

Jimmy got the last laugh twice (Titanic obviously). Nobody giving him crap anymore. 

[The Futurist]

The comparison to Avatar has more to do with being able to do a giant world building with modern CGI/VFX than box office tho.

[Zakiyyah6]

I think it's far too early to say that the leads were miscast.  

[marveldcfox]

2 hours ago, That One Guy said:

 

Where did you pull the first part out of?  Sounds unreliable.

he is right. It was supposed to screen at Cannes, but they cancelled it even after the movie is complete.

[dudalb]

1 hour ago, redfirebird2008 said:

 

Except it was never gonna compete with them at the box office. Jupiter Ascending also had crazy visuals and was always destined to be a bust at the box office. Distributors are idiots if they fell for a pitch comparing Marvel to Valerian. 

Agreed. Problem is "The French Flavor" might not agree with audiences as much as the Star Wars films do.

And if Valerian under performs world wide Besson will have a hell of a time selling the sequel to distribution companies. It's they that will take the bath if this does not make a profit.

And Cameron and Besson is just a bad comparasion as far as filmmaking styles go. Cameron is realitively straightforward, Besson is, for lack of a better world, more "intellectual" in his approach. This can be both good and bad.

I guess I am weird because I prefer Besson's more "grounded" films to his sci fi fantasies.

 

[Harley]

1 hour ago, antovolk said:

it has been screened already in the past week to U.S. critics.

Ah ok. I must have misunderstood the tweet.

[That One Girl]

54 minutes ago, marveldcfox said:

he is right. It was supposed to screen at Cannes, but they cancelled it even after the movie is complete.

 

Maybe they needed to polish some VFX work?  That doesn't automatically mean they're not confident in its quality.

[a2k]

1 hour ago, Zakiyyah6 said:

I think it's far too early to say that the leads were miscast.  

Both Cara & DeHaan seem to have good chemistry in the promos.

I think Cara is very well cast and DeHaan could be too as long as he is not grinning non-stop in the movie, like he did in ASM2.

[babz06]

The problem is that they're trying to make Dane Dehann Leo 2.0, but hes not as cute and not as talented. So it's not going to work.

[Elessar]

1 hour ago, babz06 said:

The problem is that they're trying to make Dane Dehann Leo 2.0, but hes not as cute and not as talented. So it's not going to work.

 

Or you are just making that up...

[Barnack]

5 hours ago, redfirebird2008 said:

Covered 96% of the budget with pre-sales? Force Awakens didn't even do that. Sounds like a very questionable statement by Besson given the fact we know this movie isn't going to perform like TFA at the box office. 

 

I doubt Disney pre-sales much for a movie like Force Awakens, they distribute themselves in most market and do not sales their movie revenues that much, they don't need it specially not on a safe shot like a Star Wars.

 

5 hours ago, redfirebird2008 said:

 

Distribution rights would be a much better phrase than pre-sales. 

 

Not sure I fully get the distinction between the 2, pre sales is I think the short way to say pre-sales of distribution rights, they are synonym.

Edited June 25, 2017 by Barnack

[The Futurist]

4 minutes ago, Barnack said:

 

I doubt Disney pre-sales much for a movie like Force Awakens, they distribute themselves in most market and do not sales their movie revenues that much, they don't need it specially not on a safe shot like a Star Wars.

 

 

Not sure I fully get the distinction between the 2.

This pre-sales word is having people so confused.

[redfirebird2008]

33 minutes ago, Barnack said:

 

Not sure I fully get the distinction between the 2, pre sales is I think the short way to say pre-sales of distribution rights, they are synonym.

 

In America, the term pre-sales can refer to movie tickets sold in advance to the public. 

 

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/12/16/force-awakens-100m-in-presales-and-rave-reviews.html

 

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/rogue-one-a-star-wars-story-ticket-presales-are-big-951164

Edited June 25, 2017 by redfirebird2008

[alisson23]

I really want this be a success, but the historical for non-sequel independent films at overseas box office isn't so good.

The bigger one is Django with $262.5m, I guess.

List of independent movies:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/widestindie.htm?page=WIDESTINDY&sort=gross&order=DESC&p=.htm

I hope V can surpass it at least.

[That One Girl]

52 minutes ago, alisson23 said:

I really want this be a success, but the historical for non-sequel independent films at overseas box office isn't so good.

The bigger one is Django with $262.5m, I guess.

List of independent movies:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/widestindie.htm?page=WIDESTINDY&sort=gross&order=DESC&p=.htm

I hope V can surpass it at least.

 

This is NOT an independent film.

[ddddeeee]

Track from Desplat's score.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otledtPyTRs

[Morieris]

31 minutes ago, ddddeeee said:

Track from Desplat's score.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otledtPyTRs

 

 

Whoa. I didn't doubt him but there's something about the tiny additions that sneak in at points that made me like that a lot.

[marveldcfox]

35 minutes ago, ddddeeee said:

Track from Desplat's score.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otledtPyTRs

Is it just me or it felt like that score was made for a star wars film but somehow didn't make the cut..great tracks though

[ddddeeee]

Another track... and it's spectacular.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbgfNEjBv3A