Phil in the Blank Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Its okay baumer, you will like big boy movies one day! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Gary Scott Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Schmacher made the best comedy of all time batman and robin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omario Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Baumer what are you smoking mate....and where can I get some?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumer Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Not smoking anything. I just don't have to worry about what others think of me. It's okay to have an unpopular opinion. I know what I like. And if you can't see the brilliance in films like Falling Down and Lost Boys, your loss. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Marston Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 There was more of an emotional impact in Armageddon and Pearl Harbour than the majority of Nolans movies lol.true. I can't tell you how many people say they felt sad or emotional at the end of Armageddon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stingray Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 (edited) Baumer can get awfully defensive at times. But yeah, Schmucher got nothing on Nolan. I'm saying that even though I looove Falling Down! The dude in the clip who said that is just a poor excuse for a human being. I'll post this again: Nolan's 5 last movies: Batman Begins - 85% on RT The Prestige - 76% The Dark Knight - 94% Inception - 86% The Dark Knight Rises - 87% Average ~ 86% Schumacher's 5 last movies: The Phantom of the Opera - 33% on RT The Number 23 - 8% Blood Creek - 33% Twelve - 4% Trespass - 10% Average ~ 18% Edited January 19, 2013 by Don Niam The Stingray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumer Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Why does critical reception play a part in this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squaremaster316 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 The only film Nolan has done that would rand down with Schumacher's best would be Following, and only due to the restrictive budget. Though I will say with regards to Lost boys, Whedon owes Schumacher royalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumer Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 That's your opinion and you are entitled to it, but I think the only film that Nolan has done that is better than Falling Down is TDK. Inception and Falling Down would rank the same to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acsc1312 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Because: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashrendar44 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 50 reasons why The Dark Knight Rises sucks:http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/features/116994-fifty-reasons-why-the-dark-knight-sucks.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumer Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) 35. Anne Hathaway doesn’t go topless. You called the movie the Dark Knight Rises, it’s your fault... 23. The Bat’s autopilot is working, but Bruce decides to stay in the thing with about 6 seconds left before bailing because he just loves dramatic tension and has always wanted to contract leukemia. Maybe he had a fridge on the Bat... 22. There are mere hours left before the city is obliterated and Batman takes hours to create a burning symbol of a bat on one of Gotham’s bridges. Of course, this act probably would have led to the “citizen” detonating the fusion bomb (seeing how it was a direct act of defiance), but Batman does love his theatrics. 12. Batman learns nothing. In the Dark Knight Returns when Bats is beaten by the mutant leader, he comes back for a rematch, but uses what he learned from the first fight to win the second. No such thing here. He just goes after Bane again, and really he should have just had his ass handed to him again if not for an inadvertent elbow and a lucky plot device. Edited January 21, 2013 by baumer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4815162342 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 23. The Bat’s autopilot is working, but Bruce decides to stay in the thing with about 6 seconds left before bailing because he just loves dramatic tension and has always wanted to contract leukemia. Maybe he had a fridge on the Bat... Bruce didn't actually stay in until 6 seconds were left, it's simple editing trickery. You show a shot of Bruce close-up, then you show a shot of the timer, and then you have the wide-angle shot of the Bat disappearing then the explosion. While the editing makes people think the shot of Bruce is chronologically right before the shot of the timer, it's a simple cinematic trick when really Bruce could have ejected at any point immediately following the previous exterior shot of the Bat (where the timer is substantially more than 6 seconds). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Alfred Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) I have seen TDKR 8 times and it got huge applause in the end every time. People loved it. It's inevitable that there are a groups of saddos, who start digging out mistakes and criticize a lot of things just because TDKR isn't a classic like TDK. It's still a mini triumph for Nolan and the haters can come back when someone else makes a decent third franchise film in this genre. Edited January 21, 2013 by Alfred Unchained 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashrendar44 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Bruce didn't actually stay in until 6 seconds were left, it's simple editing trickery. You show a shot of Bruce close-up, then you show a shot of the timer, and then you have the wide-angle shot of the Bat disappearing then the explosion. While the editing makes people think the shot of Bruce is chronologically right before the shot of the timer, it's a simple cinematic trick when really Bruce could have ejected at any point immediately following the previous exterior shot of the Bat (where the timer is substantially more than 6 seconds).So Bruce is a friggin' liar,-To Gordon who took care of him while he was frail after his parents death,-To Alfred who brought him up as a watchful protector since his birth just to be left alone as a poor old man with the burden of failing him-To Selina ("No autopilot") to buy her kiss and stroke his Dark Knight. Just for the sake of manipulating audience with a cheap cinematographic trick. That shot is useless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4815162342 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Oh no someone lied and they're not 100% perfect, oh the horror.That's a useless excuse to rag on the film, personally disagreeing with the morality of someone's actions. The fact is, you're disregarding the plausible reading because you're butthurt about other parts ofthe film and want to plow into it as much as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Alfred Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Maybe you guys haven't noticed but Bruce is far from being perfect. He's not a superhero. Just a man. I understand that for some people it's difficult to digest, Nolan's trilogy isn't campy, isn't cheesy, isn't supernatural. It's above anything else in the genre. IT's out of its genre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashrendar44 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) Maybe you guys haven't noticed but Bruce is far from being perfect. He's not a superhero. Just a man. I understand that for some people it's difficult to digest, Nolan's trilogy isn't campy, isn't cheesy, isn't supernatural. It's above anything else in the genre. IT's out of its genre. No, it's pompous, overserious and pretentious melodrama with a man disguised in a Batsuit. There's no "transcending the genre" or "above the genre" giggity at play, it's squirming through the genre. ("Stop nitpicking it to death, it's just a comic book movie" has sure been popping through this thread. Right when it suits your agenda). Oh no someone lied and they're not 100% perfect, oh the horror. That's a useless excuse to rag on the film, personally disagreeing with the morality of someone's actions. The fact is, you're disregarding the plausible reading because you're butthurt about other parts ofthe film and want to plow into it as much as possible. Yeah, so your grand finale is build on a lie and what was the point of that movie again? That Gotham's peace was bought by Dent's Act which was purely based ON A LIE and THAT IS MORALLY BAAAAD!!! So Nolan failed on wrapping his story up to a greater achievement because in the end, it's tarnished by the fact that Bruce Wayne had to LIE AGAIN. Yeah, Bruce's way to inspire and shine GOOOOODNESSS in people's heart, Lesson 1: Lying to your beloved close relations by faking your own death. So, Nolan's goal was that Bruce started as immoral in comforting Gotham into a lie just to repel at the end in a comfortable lie...That's what you call a complete character's arc when one learns nothing from their bad deeds especially dealing with the morals of being a superhero?! Please... Sure, Nolan is human. He ain't a super God of filmmaking like his Zealots are keen to believe. Only butthurt fanboys like you defend that piece of crap like it's the Second Coming. But Alfred Unchained said it, and that's a glaring reveal: That's not a superhero movie, that's a Bruce Wayne movie because Nolan hates the superhero genre and Batman too. Edited January 21, 2013 by dashrendar44 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4815162342 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) Yeah, so your grand finale is build on a lie and what was the point of that movie again? That Gotham's peace was bought by Dent's Act which was purely based ON A LIE and THAT IS MORALLY BAAAAD!!! So Nolan failed on wrapping his story up to a greater achievement because in the end, it's tarnished by the fact that Bruce Wayne had to LIE AGAIN. Yeah, Bruce's way to inspire and shine GOOOOODNESSS in people's heart, Lesson 1: Lying to your beloved close relations by faking your own death. So, Nolan's goal was that Bruce started as immoral in comforting Gotham into a lie just to repel at the end in a comfortable lie...That's what you call a complete character's arc when one learns nothing from their bad deeds especially dealing with the morals of being a superhero?! Please... Dent Act- Turned Gotham into a police state with massive crackdown on civil liberties/due process. Bruce Faking Death- Turns Batman into a symbol that inspires, setting the stage for a new hero to take the mantle, one who the police department won't hunt down like a dog every chance they get. I fail to see how the two lies are even remotely comparable. TDKR has a number of problems, but Bruce faking his death to achieve immortality for the Batman and get a happy ending is not one of them. Furthermore, treating all lies as equally bad is idiotic and ignorant of how the world works, especially since the people who care about Bruce the most learn otherwise very quickly. I am sure Alfred accepts being lied to in the end because the result is that Bruce is able to cleanly get away and get the life Alfred always wanted for him (Alfred's facial expression and nod at the end show that). Edited January 21, 2013 by 4815162342 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashrendar44 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) Dent Act- Turned Gotham into a police state with massive crackdown on civil liberties/due process. Bruce Faking Death- Turns Batman into a symbol that inspires, setting the stage for a new hero to take the mantle, one who the police department won't hunt down like a dog every chance they get. I fail to see how the two lies are even remotely comparable. TDKR has a number of problems, but Bruce faking his death to achieve immortality for the Batman and get a happy ending is not one of them. Furthermore, treating all lies as equally bad is idiotic and ignorant of how the world works, especially since the people who care about Bruce the most learn otherwise very quickly. I am sure Alfred accepts being lied to in the end because the result is that Bruce is able to cleanly get away and get the life Alfred always wanted for him (Alfred's facial expression and nod at the end show that). Oh, there's such thing of "good lie" and "bad lie" like there's "good crime" and "bad crime", now? Wow. Nolan had to rest upon that ill-conceived dream-like twist ending when Alfred and Bruce part ways smiling at each other to brush away the fact that he made him believed he failed him and that failure made him responsible of his death, that Bruce lied to him. So Bruce comes every day at that very same table in that italian cafe expecting Alfred to come just to share a smile so he can now be rest assured he is not responsible for his (fake) death. If that poor old man Alfred had suffer a heart stroke from the grief of bearing Bruce's death on his conscience, he would still come every day waiting for him to show up? Laughable. Edited January 21, 2013 by dashrendar44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
