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[LaughingEvans]

2 hours ago, terrestrial said:

Community has nothing in its summary that's sounds new to me, no in a big way new approach.

I belief its a great series based on a fast skim over the reactions and here to see preference (in BOT), but its story does nothing for me.

 

The impact to/on later more famous writers, TV-series making, female leads in supernatural worlds,... I think Whedon's bigger.

Maybe you shouldn't judge something by its imdb description then. Community broke down every single trope and genre tv and cinema has introduced, with intelligent humour and deep characterization. The direction in the Russo's episodes is amazing. 

 

The only reason community was not more successful is bad management from nbc, and certain cast members meltdowns.

[JGAR4LIFE]

Heard was the monster huh. Fire her from Aquaman 2.

[TMP]

25 minutes ago, LaughingEvans said:

Maybe you shouldn't judge something by its imdb description then. Community broke down every single trope and genre tv and cinema has introduced, with intelligent humour and deep characterization. The direction in the Russo's episodes is amazing. 

 

The only reason community was not more successful is bad management from nbc, and certain cast members meltdowns.

Sounds like Pierce really was a B.

I'd still put the first 3 seasons of Arrested Development over it, but Community is great too.

[TMP]

If they can replace Big Willie Style, the biggest draw to Suicide Squad when that film came out, then sure as shit they can replace Mera. Would be surprised if Heard stayed on at all.

[Darth Lehnsherr]

I haven't even seen the 5th season of Arrested Development yet even though I love the show (even S4 I dug quite a bit). Still waiting for that Community movie.

[TMP]

3 minutes ago, Darth Lehnsherr said:

I haven't even seen the 5th season of Arrested Development yet even though I love the show (even S4 I dug quite a bit). Still waiting for that Community movie.

I've seen the first 3 seasons three times, and I still haven't seen season 5 😕 

[MrGlass2]

The Russos have very little to do with the (all relative) success of Arrested Development or Community. That is like saying that Bryan Singer is to be thanked for House.

 

Joss Whedon, on the other hand, did create Buffy (the TV show) and Angel.

Edited March 13, 2019 by MrGlass2

[LouisianaArkansasGeorgia]

24 minutes ago, TMP said:

If they can replace Big Willie Style, the biggest draw to Suicide Squad when that film came out, then sure as shit they can replace Mera. Would be surprised if Heard stayed on at all.

He was the second biggest draw.

(No, I am not saying that Margot Robbie is a bigger box office draw than proven superstar Will Smith; I am saying that Harley Quinn finally in blockbuster live action form was a much bigger draw than anything else in Suicide Squad)

 

As for Heard, she has proven to be a beloved aspect of Aquaman and an audience favorite, and Mera's relationship with Arthur was the heart of the movie. I bet you anything, **anything,** that Heard/Mera will be in the sequel. 100 % guaranteed.

[Napoleon]

2 minutes ago, LouisianaArkansasGeorgia said:

As for Heard, she has proven to be a beloved aspect of Aquaman and an audience favorite, and Mera's relationship with Arthur was the heart of the movie. I bet you anything, **anything,** that Heard/Mera will be in the sequel. 100 % guaranteed.

I think there would be backlash if they fired Heard over Depp's allegations. She will have to charged with a crime for them to do that. But considering WB has made some questionable decisions with the DC franchise in the past couple of years, I wouldn't be completely shocked with another one.

[terrestrial]

38 minutes ago, LaughingEvans said:

Maybe you shouldn't judge something by its imdb description then. Community broke down every single trope and genre tv and cinema has introduced, with intelligent humour and deep characterization. The direction in the Russo's episodes is amazing. 

 

The only reason community was not more successful is bad management from nbc, and certain cast members meltdowns.

I did understand that, but the general idea is not new. Some wordings here over the yeas let me assume it was 'completely new'.

Not for me bcs its the wrong genre, and probably ... see what I watch, the markers for the series I watch:

 

If I even watch a TV series its multi-episodes-per-case crime shows like Wiseguy or The Wire. Or non-episode-of-the-day Sci-Fi, and Fantasy (hmm is there a supernatural one?).

Also Tv-mini-series, like e.g. I, Claudius, the Sharpe movies, Hornblower, or The Company,... and again, crime and / or Sci-Fi based.

If I am sick/ill/cant sleep for a week (literally) I will binge-watch Sci-Fi / Fantasy / crime series like Star Trek, CSI,..... too. I watched e.g. the Australian TV-series Police Rescue, a case of the day mix with the characters actually changing over the years, but that one too was a binge watch. One of the few episodes-per-day series I like more than average.

After the finale I might watch the whole GoT series for the first time.

The usual series so many love, like where ppl work together in an ER, in an office,.... or are 'only' friends, or comedy 'only' based.... usually bore me very fast. Can't stand romance, teen-based, the most YA based, ...

Without long arc stories preferable with action I see no reason to watch TV, other kind of stories I read.

I read/hear far more than watching TV.

Hearing the favourite genres in English to train myself, in German or English reading mostly 'world literature', lots of history, lots of science, other kind of knowledge books. International news... And sometimes binge reading comics. The last one every 2 years or so.

 

It is not a bit devaluating, if someone simple doesn't click to the basic idea nor the genre.

[terrestrial]

26 minutes ago, MrGlass2 said:

Joss Whedon, on the other hand, did create Buffy (the TV show) and Angel.

+ Firefly/Serenity + Dollhouse (co-?)

Buffy is a great example for what a director... can make out of a script, that the writer never intended.

He wrote Buffy the Movie too, the director's work made him literally cry. Great to compare, its so seldom a writer gets an opportunity to do his own work again, after someone else soured it.

No idea if there is even a 2nd example beside a certain fanchise movie, that only matches this example to a degree, as he wasn't able to start from fresh like Whedon was

 

[LaughingEvans]

@terrestrial my point about Community is that it easily transcends genre, because the only requirement there is to really like it, is to like movies and tv.  It feels a bit awkward in the first episodes till you get used to it, but once you pick up the cues, it's a wild ride, at least till the end of the 3rd season.

 

In any case, there is no description that will do it justice.

[TalismanRing]

 

24 minutes ago, MrGlass2 said:

The Russos have very little to do with the (all relative) success of Arrested Development or Community. That is like saying that Bryan Singer is to be thanked for House.

 

Joss Whedon, on the other hand, did create Buffy (the TV show) and Angel.

 

Singer directed the pilot and one other episode for House.

 

The Russos won an Emmy for the pilot episode of AD   Joe Russo directed another 10 episodes and Anthony another 4.   Of the first 39 episodes they directed 15.

 

They directed the pilot for Community and Exec Produced 47 episodes.  In addition to the pilot Joe Russo directed another 20 episodes and Anthony another 13.

 

Not exactly comparable.

 

I agree though that Whedon had far more creative input and control in his Tv work.  Buffy, Angel etc were his creations and he was the producer. He was also the director and writer for a significant amount of the episodes.

 

Whedon's contribution to the MCU outside of the Avengers films is also underrated.   He contributed re-writes to CA:TFA and other films and oversaw scripts (GOTG) as part of his role as Creativity Consultant for the MCU.  All of this probably contributed to his burnout by AOU (which unlike The Russos he wrote and directed)

 

 

[2kt09]

21 minutes ago, TalismanRing said:

 

 

Singer directed the pilot and one other episode for House.

 

The Russos won an Emmy for the pilot episode of AD   Joe Russo directed another 10 episodes and Anthony another 4.   Of the first 39 episodes they directed 15.

 

They directed the pilot for Community and Exec Produced 47 episodes.  In addition to the pilot Joe Russo directed another 20 episodes and Anthony another 13.

 

Not exactly comparable.

 

I agree though that Whedon had far more creative input and control in his Tv work.  Buffy, Angel etc were his creations and he was the producer. He was also the director and writer for a significant amount of the episodes.

 

Whedon's contribution to the MCU outside of the Avengers films is also underrated.   He contributed re-writes to CA:TFA and other films and oversaw scripts (GOTG) as part of his role as Creativity Consultant for the MCU.  All of this probably contributed to his burnout by AOU (which unlike The Russos he wrote and directed)

 

 

Did the Russos guide phase 3?

[terrestrial]

12 minutes ago, LaughingEvans said:

@terrestrial my point about Community is that it easily transcends genre, because the only requirement there is to really like it, is to like movies and tv.  It feels a bit awkward in the first episodes till you get used to it, but once you pick up the cues, it's a wild ride, at least till the end of the 3rd season.

In any case, there is no description that will do it justice.

Is there a thrill/action/a reason to watch instead to read in more or less every episode? Are the episodes carrying a complex story over e.g. 10 to more episodes?

I like movies, but I do not like all genres in general.

E.g. I can't stand comedy, I hate slapstick. I tend to like action-comedy, preferably if its listed not as main genre.

I absolute hate romance on screen. It makes me literally cringe, it feels like torture to me. You could offer me $1000 and I wouldn't watch it (nothing against porn). I like only a handful of movies where romance is a strong genre. Like Harold and Maude, but not for its romance part. I am not a runner, more of a lifter, but a comedic romance... you'll see me running (away) like never before.

I hate slasher, 99% of the usual horror movies too (but again, I do like a handful),...

If one of those genres is listed at a 3rd or 4th place in a description (assuming they are weighted listed) than I have usually no problem.

I like to watch crimes, problems, or ~ puzzles solved (see spy, crime, history too).

I love movies or series or miniseries that dive deep into a story, and/or where the characters actually change a lot. Or are based on RL/history or are greatly researched or...

I do like the MCU movie for their fun-action mix and bcs they are in the sum to me something like a big cinema-movie-series mix thing, in its sum complex. (I do not like all of them, but that is often the same with a series, some episodes... less than others)

LotR, Dune (yes its only one movie, but I watched the others too), I like the Bourne movies as action-spy-whatever, but hate them but one with passion too for being one of the worst book-movie adaptations I know. All what makes the books special (book 1-3), more rich and complex, isn't in the movies or gets twisted to something generic or cliché where there wasn't one in the books

I am a big Kurosawa fan, my favourite actor was (is it was or is the late?) Charles Laughton.

I have probably seen every version of Macbeth that you can buy on disc (I wont watch ever Romeo & Juliet again, they are all stupid behaving, no matter who, incl all of the adults, teens).

I do like 'event' movies to see on the big screen, for the wide landscapes, fast chases,... space, thrill. I love to watch sword fights,... too.

 

So, what do you say, do you really think I should still try?

 

[eddyxx]

49 minutes ago, terrestrial said:

Is there a thrill/action/a reason to watch instead to read in more or less every episode? Are the episodes carrying a complex story over e.g. 10 to more episodes?

I like movies, but I do not like all genres in general.

E.g. I can't stand comedy, I hate slapstick. I tend to like action-comedy, preferably if its listed not as main genre.

I absolute hate romance on screen. It makes me literally cringe, it feels like torture to me. You could offer me $1000 and I wouldn't watch it (nothing against porn). I like only a handful of movies where romance is a strong genre. Like Harold and Maude, but not for its romance part. I am not a runner, more of a lifter, but a comedic romance... you'll see me running (away) like never before.

I hate slasher, 99% of the usual horror movies too (but again, I do like a handful),...

If one of those genres is listed at a 3rd or 4th place in a description (assuming they are weighted listed) than I have usually no problem.

I like to watch crimes, problems, or ~ puzzles solved (see spy, crime, history too).

I love movies or series or miniseries that dive deep into a story, and/or where the characters actually change a lot. Or are based on RL/history or are greatly researched or...

I do like the MCU movie for their fun-action mix and bcs they are in the sum to me something like a big cinema-movie-series mix thing, in its sum complex. (I do not like all of them, but that is often the same with a series, some episodes... less than others)

LotR, Dune (yes its only one movie, but I watched the others too), I like the Bourne movies as action-spy-whatever, but hate them but one with passion too for being one of the worst book-movie adaptations I know. All what makes the books special (book 1-3), more rich and complex, isn't in the movies or gets twisted to something generic or cliché where there wasn't one in the books

I am a big Kurosawa fan, my favourite actor was (is it was or is the late?) Charles Laughton.

I have probably seen every version of Macbeth that you can buy on disc (I wont watch ever Romeo & Juliet again, they are all stupid behaving, no matter who, incl all of the adults, teens).

I do like 'event' movies to see on the big screen, for the wide landscapes, fast chases,... space, thrill. I love to watch sword fights,... too.

 

So, what do you say, do you really think I should still try?

 

[LaughingEvans]

1 hour ago, terrestrial said:

 

So, what do you say, do you really think I should still try?

 

 

Yes. To give you an idea, every episode has a theme. There is an episode about mafia movies. There is an episode about action movies. There is an episode about horror movies. There is an episode about procedurals like Law & Order. There is an episode about different dimensions.  The whole series is a rabbithole of awesomeness.

 

Also, the attention to detail is incredible, the things you can catch on a second watch will amaze you.

 

[TMP]

Rank the sitcoms of the century so far

1) 3/5 of Arrested Development

2) It's Always Sunny

3) 7/9 of The Office

4) Community

5) Parks & Rec

Still need to see Veep and 30 rock though

[dudalb]

19 hours ago, Thanos Legion said:

Ah, looks like it isn’t even new news, but from a several days old Depp filing. Given the lack of traction since then I’m going to file it away as unlikely to be credible.

The Heard Depp divorce is going to be long and ugly, with probably neither one looking good.

[dudalb]

5 hours ago, TalismanRing said:

 

 

Singer directed the pilot and one other episode for House.

 

The Russos won an Emmy for the pilot episode of AD   Joe Russo directed another 10 episodes and Anthony another 4.   Of the first 39 episodes they directed 15.

 

They directed the pilot for Community and Exec Produced 47 episodes.  In addition to the pilot Joe Russo directed another 20 episodes and Anthony another 13.

 

Not exactly comparable.

 

I agree though that Whedon had far more creative input and control in his Tv work.  Buffy, Angel etc were his creations and he was the producer. He was also the director and writer for a significant amount of the episodes.

 

Whedon's contribution to the MCU outside of the Avengers films is also underrated.   He contributed re-writes to CA:TFA and other films and oversaw scripts (GOTG) as part of his role as Creativity Consultant for the MCU.  All of this probably contributed to his burnout by AOU (which unlike The Russos he wrote and directed)

 

 

Whedon also actually wrote some comics for Marvel;he did a X Men series back in the early 2000s.