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[dashrendar44]

Everybody forgot the obvious...David Bowie. The fact that he was also an actor is Oscar bait fodder for any actor.

 

As for MJ, yes, a biopic can be made, pedo or not. All the worshipped rockstars were sexing minors going back to Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis, Mick Jagger (and Bill Wyman), Jimmy Page, Bowie, Iggy Pop, Steven Tyler up to Jared Leto.

[The Futurist]

R.Kelly biopic please.

Now !

You ll believe  a man can fly.

Edited January 15, 2019 by The Futurist

[Premium George]

A NWA biopic exists which was massive hit too despite dre being a asshole who has multiple charges of assault against women. Guess what, they didn't showed any of that in the movie.

A MJ biopic can be easily made, and if it has his songs in it than the box office will be huge too.

Edited January 15, 2019 by Premium George

[Valonqar]

1 hour ago, MovieMan89 said:

 

A Beatles biopic has the most potential by far to be huge. But Yoko would surely want all kinds of say in it and would probably need to die for the best movie to be made. 

well, Queen members had a lot of say in how BR shaped up (make them look good) and the movie's a 800M+ juggernaut. When people love you, like they love Freddie, it doesn't matter if survivors adjusted facts to shed a good light on them. People still cry during the movie, for Freddie. So Yoko wouldn't hurt the four assuming they nail casting like BR. 

Edited January 15, 2019 by Valonqar

[John Marston]

the MJ movie will be part biopic and part courtroom drama with the climax being MJ being found not guilty 

[DAJK]

MJ biopic would be huge. Bowie could be too, but I doubt on the level of BR.

 

Curious to see how Rocketman does in May. Could make money, but it'll be the All Eyez on Me to BR's Straight Outta Compton box office wise IMO. 

[Godzilla]

2 hours ago, FantasticBeasts said:

Yeah... a Michael Jackson biopic would be terrific... Bring the Stranger Things kids to play the boys he abused too.

 

1 hour ago, The Futurist said:

Michael Jackson had to die so the world could fall inlove with his art again.

Before his death, he had become a total pariah and a subject of scorn and mockery.

And yes, he was a pedophile.

I read a biography of MJ by a very respected french musical journalist and oh boy, that chapter when we learn that in the mid-1990's, MJ kinda lost it and was parading with a what, 14 yo old boy he would take in his hotel rooms, alone.

Everybody from his entourage knew but nobody said a thing.

Ykes.

 

 

1 hour ago, MovieMan89 said:

Good lord, an MJ biopic, what an absolute disaster that would be. RIP everyone involved careers if that ever happens.

 

Grunge is way too niche for a Nirvana biopic to be huge. You’d have a small demo of mainly 40 something guys to tap into, and very few others would show up. 

 

A Beatles biopic has the most potential by far to be huge. But Yoko would surely want all kinds of say in it and would probably need to die for the best movie to be made. 

MJ was found to be innocent in a court of law and a 10 year+ FBI investigation. The fact that his name is still in the dirt when he went through hell to disprove the malicious allegations says a lot about our society and media. 

[The Futurist]

The reason the #Metoo movement existed is because 99% of the times :

 

you can't prove a rape, a sexual assault or harassment, pedophilia  in a court of law.

 

You just can't, sorry that s how biology and psychology and the nervous system work.

 

It always end up in a what he said/she said situation.

 

All the actors and directors you all spend your time calling out never had a trial and yet they are treated like Hollywood Pariah who should never work again in the industry.

 

It's amusing.

 

But MJ was innocent !

 

The standard.

It doubled.

Edited January 15, 2019 by The Futurist

[filmlover]

26 minutes ago, John Marston said:

the MJ movie will be part biopic and part courtroom drama with the climax being MJ being found not guilty 

It would have to focus on specific period during his successful years. Anything from later in his life would ensure that the Jackson Estate would never grant the rights to his music.

[The Futurist]

All the aspects of MJ s live apart from the Art are bleak and depressing and horrible really.

 

Between the violent upbringing, the shit he saw while touring in America as a kid, the plastic surgery gone mad and the love life/kid issues you basically have all the ingredients of a Trauma production.

 

MJ was like Icarus, he burnt his wings way too soon.

[Eric Duncan]

It should be mentioned that Netflix is making a MJ biopic...only it's stop-motion and from the perspective of Bubbles. But again, if this is solid, I think a MJ biopic would be fine quality and box office wise.

 

https://deadline.com/2017/05/bubbles-michael-jackson-chimpanzee-movie-netflix-cannes-film-festival-1202096715/

 

Frank Sinatra could also do decent, but the Sinatra estate hated Scorsese's treatment that focused on his Mafia ties, so that probably won't happen any time soon. I'd also argue a Whitney Houston movie would do well too. Iconic musician, interesting backstory, well-liked figure, compelling story.

Edited January 15, 2019 by CoolEric258

[Barnack]

11 minutes ago, The Futurist said:

It always end up in a what he said/she said situation.

 

Often he said they said and if multiple people that do not know each other come up with very similar story it can be used in a court of law in many country including the US.

 

1 hour ago, dashrendar44 said:

As for MJ, yes, a biopic can be made, pedo or not. All the worshipped rockstars were sexing minors going back to Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis, Mick Jagger (and Bill Wyman), Jimmy Page, Bowie, Iggy Pop, Steven Tyler up to Jared Leto.

Sex with a minors (legal definition of minors would change jurisdiction by jurisdiction and over time) does not equal pedophilia.

 

Pedophilia is termed pedophilic disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), and the manual defines it as a paraphilia involving intense and recurrent sexual urges towards and fantasies about prepubescent children that have either been acted upon or which cause the person with the attraction distress or interpersonal difficulty.[4] The International Classification of Diseases (ICD-11) defines it as a "sustained, focused, and intense pattern of sexual arousal—as manifested by persistent sexual thoughts, fantasies, urges, or behaviours—involving pre-pubertal children

 

Pedophile are attracted to pre-puberty children (Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12,[3] criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13), that a different condition than someone sexing a post-puberty minor.

[Hermia]

1 hour ago, dashrendar44 said:

Everybody forgot the obvious...David Bowie. The fact that he was also an actor is Oscar bait fodder for any actor.

 

As for MJ, yes, a biopic can be made, pedo or not. All the worshipped rockstars were sexing minors going back to Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis, Mick Jagger (and Bill Wyman), Jimmy Page, Bowie, Iggy Pop, Steven Tyler up to Jared Leto.

 

A David Bowie movie would have been amazing, but it needs a very charismatic actor and his son doesn't want this. It's a pity

[filmlover]

6 minutes ago, CoolEric258 said:

It should be mentioned that Netflix is making a MJ biopic...only it's stop-motion and from the perspective of Bubbles. But again, if this is solid, I think a MJ biopic would be fine quality and box office wise.

 

https://deadline.com/2017/05/bubbles-michael-jackson-chimpanzee-movie-netflix-cannes-film-festival-1202096715/

 

Frank Sinatra could also do decent, but the Sinatra estate hated Scorsese's treatment that focused on his Mafia ties, so that probably won't happen any time soon. I'd also argue a Whitney Houston movie would do well too. Iconic musician, interesting backstory, well-liked figure, compelling story.

Wasn’t there a Whitney Houston biopic on Lifetime not too long ago?

[Godzilla]

36 minutes ago, The Futurist said:

The reason the #Metoo movement existed is because 99% of the times :

 

you can't prove a rape, a sexual assault or harassment, pedophilia  in a court of law.

 

You just can't, sorry that s how biology and psychology and the nervous system work.

 

It always end up in a what he said/she said situation.

 

All the actors and directors you all spend your time calling out never had a trial and yet they are treated like Hollywood Pariah who should never work again in the industry.

 

It's amusing.

 

But MJ was innocent !

 

The standard.

It doubled.

What are you talking about? Michael had a trial and he was found not guilty... He also had an extensive decade long FBI investigation that found nothing on him. Also I never deemed anyone guilty without a trial...

[Premium George]

26 minutes ago, Barnack said:

 

Often he said they said and if multiple people that do not know each other come up with very similar story it can be used in a court of law in many country including the US.

 

Sex with a minors (legal definition of minors would change jurisdiction by jurisdiction and over time) does not equal pedophilia.

 

Pedophilia is termed pedophilic disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), and the manual defines it as a paraphilia involving intense and recurrent sexual urges towards and fantasies about prepubescent children that have either been acted upon or which cause the person with the attraction distress or interpersonal difficulty.[4] The International Classification of Diseases (ICD-11) defines it as a "sustained, focused, and intense pattern of sexual arousal—as manifested by persistent sexual thoughts, fantasies, urges, or behaviours—involving pre-pubertal children

 

Pedophile are attracted to pre-puberty children (Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12,[3] criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13), that a different condition than someone sexing a post-puberty minor.

He's talking about legal terms. Tell me, is it normal for you that a 20 year old have sex with a 14-15 year old? 

[MovieMan89]

39 minutes ago, CoolEric258 said:

It should be mentioned that Netflix is making a MJ biopic...only it's stop-motion and from the perspective of Bubbles. But again, if this is solid, I think a MJ biopic would be fine quality and box office wise.

 

https://deadline.com/2017/05/bubbles-michael-jackson-chimpanzee-movie-netflix-cannes-film-festival-1202096715/

 

Frank Sinatra could also do decent, but the Sinatra estate hated Scorsese's treatment that focused on his Mafia ties, so that probably won't happen any time soon. I'd also argue a Whitney Houston movie would do well too. Iconic musician, interesting backstory, well-liked figure, compelling story.

Ah yes, don’t know how I forgot about Whitney. There’s definitely a lot of box office potential for a well done biopic of her. It would obviously have a tragic ending though. 

Edited January 15, 2019 by MovieMan89

[Barnack]

3 minutes ago, Premium George said:

He's talking about legal terms. Tell me, is it normal for you that a 20 year old have sex with a 14-15 year old? 

I have a strong feeling than no, but in legal terms it is not pedophilia either, pedophilia is a DSM/legal defined has sexual attraction toward prepuber children and most legal system will not have the same sentence for a 20 year's old having sex with a 11 year's old than a 15.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse_laws_in_the_United_States#Minors'_inability_to_consent

A person engaging in sexual activity with a minor below these proscribed ages (16–18), regardless of that minor's seeming "consent" or compliance, commits an offense (terminology varies). In most states, much more severe offenses and/or sentences exist for cases with young children, approximately under 12–13.

 

There is a gray continuum of paraphilia and an adult having sex with a 16-17 year's old (or 18-20 in some state that majority hit at 21) isn't the same than with a children.

[dashrendar44]

29 minutes ago, Barnack said:

 

Sex with a minors (legal definition of minors would change jurisdiction by jurisdiction and over time) does not equal pedophilia.

 

Pedophilia is termed pedophilic disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), and the manual defines it as a paraphilia involving intense and recurrent sexual urges towards and fantasies about prepubescent children that have either been acted upon or which cause the person with the attraction distress or interpersonal difficulty.[4] The International Classification of Diseases (ICD-11) defines it as a "sustained, focused, and intense pattern of sexual arousal—as manifested by persistent sexual thoughts, fantasies, urges, or behaviours—involving pre-pubertal children

 

Pedophile are attracted to pre-puberty children (Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12,[3] criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13), that a different condition than someone sexing a post-puberty

Where do I equate it with pedophilia? I said "sexing minors". Whether they are pre-pubescent or teens, they are all minors.

 

I'm not the poster was that referencing a 14 years old teen in regard to MJ being a pedophile, in that case, that little lecture of yours shouldn't be adressed to me.

[MovieMan89]

An MJ biopic is just a mess anyway you slice it, and the way this page alone in this thread is derailing just discussing it is proof of exactly why it wouldn’t work. No thank you. Just leave what his legacy is be. It doesn’t need a movie.