Weekend Actuals (Page 40): Hidden Figures 22.8M | Rogue One 22.1M | Sing 20.7M | Underworld 13.7M | La La Land 10.1M | Passengers 8.8M | A Monster Calls 2.1M

[terrestrial]

8 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

I'm in the camp DS >FB (I liked both) but credit where credit is due. FB held better likely due to better WOM. Critics fanboy'd with DS. It was good but not THAT good. All Marvel stuff that's rote in other movies is rote here as well. 

But, anyway, is it me or FB is going to have higher OS than Rogue One?

IMDb (not that I give much about it)

DS 7.9 

FB 7.7

 

RT audience

DS

89% liked it Average Rating: 4.2/5

User Ratings: 90,614

 

FB

82% liked it Average Rating: 4/5

User Ratings: 73,423

 

I still say WOM is too similar for an impact based on WOM anyway

But the stories appeals partly to the same audience and partly to a different audiences. It has magic as common part, but the rest is pretty much something else.

 

In my POV it makes no sense to try to compare different franchises based on very much another genre-mix per BO or even WOM.

 

Each should in my opinion viewed / to be seen for itself

 

And yes, FB will have a higher OS as DS will reach, even after Japan DS opens at the end of the month.

Was anyone expecting something else?

Bcs. DS surpassed OS expectations already. E.g. look into the OS of the HP franchise including the first films, based on huge book sales... the franchise started OS way higher as the MCU, look into MCUs 1st instalments (and surpassed IM 2s OS, might even reach Thor 2 beside worse exchange rates) in OS and guess why I say already surpassed expectations. See also Ant-Man... for a more recent release. 

 

DS

Total Lifetime Grosses

Domestic:	$230,920,918	35.0%
+ Foreign:	$427,944,834	65.0%
= Worldwide:	$658,865,752

FB

Total Lifetime Grosses

Domestic:	$229,181,573	28.8%
+ Foreign:	$565,700,000	71.2%
= Worldwide:	$794,881,573

 

 

[JonathanLB]

10 minutes ago, Mr Terrific said:

Valonquar is now explicitly referring to minority movies as something that don't interest him.  

Unless there is some translation issue, that is direct bigotry. 

HF has clear, direct portrayals of POC being treated terribly. If that makes it a "minority" movie, that's a scary way to define things. 

 

Thats exactly what I'm saying. At base Hidden Figures is about the inspirational story of 3 PEOPLE who overcome great odds against them to achieve remarkable success. It's not like it's a story about 3 people rising to assistant manager at Taco Bell here. Their stories are great in the way any great achievement is something to be celebrated.

 

I can understand if on the face of it the subject matter doesn't interest you because of math / space / etc. but trust me when you see the movie it's much less about the math or anything else besides a well told inspirational and often funny story about how 3 people achieved great success and helped change the world.

[BadAtGender]

34 minutes ago, Telemachos said:

Heck, think back to the early 80s. For you young 'uns, imagine how you're feeling about LA LA LAND's expansion -- checking every week to see if it's coming to your town (or nearby). Then rushing to see it when it does. That's what every large movie was like -- although by the time of JEDI releases were getting wide enough that it wasn't too difficult to find a theater. 

 

Somewhat oddly, while Jedi was the first movie I remember seeing in the theater, so I shouldn't have had an issue finding a movie, I grew up on military bases, so the only movie option was the base theater, which usually had one screen, and had to cycle through things to get to all releases. So I may have ended up waiting on things regardless. (Though I was young enough that I didn't really know or care.)

[grey ghost]

21 minutes ago, miketheavenger said:

Why does a movie starring/dealing with some kind of a minority always lead to political discussions? Why do people think that they always have to follow some kind of agenda? Isn't it possible that they just made e.g. Hidden Figures because it seemed like a story worth telling, regardless of the race or gender of the people involved? Them being black women is obviously an added positive, but it doesn't make the movie better or worse. But the fact that they are black women also doesn't mean that the filmmakers are anti-white or some BS like that. It's just a movie made for entertainment, nothing more.

 

I wouldn't say it's only entertainment.

 

It's also meant to educate and inspire young girls, neither of which are an agenda anyone should oppose.

 

Sometimes oppossing a so-called liberal agenda is far worse than the agenda itself.

 

 

[WrathOfHan]

20 minutes ago, CoolioD1 said:

it feels like wackos are jumping down down peoples throats about PC culture and leftist propaganda and all that jazz every weekend thread these days. it used to be every once in a while but now discussions don't seem to get far without it. those type of toxic discussions have infected the internet all over tho. just the current needlessly hostile landscape

And it's all without BKB!

[JonathanLB]

1 minute ago, grey ghost said:

 

I wouldn't say it's only entertainment.

 

It's also meant to educate and inspire young girls, neither of which are an agenda anyone should oppose.

 

Sometimes oppossing a so-called liberal agenda is far worse than the agenda itself.

 

 

 

Right, film has the ability to inspire and since many young women may not know this story - I mean I sure didn't - then it gives them a feeling like, "Hey, you know, they did it. Maybe I could too!" Nothing wrong with that. 

[James]

Funny thing, I'm looking at Collateral Beauty and all the flack it received. Considering it still has Germany, Japan and Brazil on the way and it is still making money from the other markets, i will likely close to 100m WW. Not a win, but I doubt it will lose WB any money. It might actually get some profit with home media and TV.  

[MrPink]

1 minute ago, James said:

Funny thing, I'm looking at Collateral Beauty and all the flack it received. Considering it still has Germany, Japan and Brazil on the way and it is still making money from the other markets, i will likely close to 100m WW. Not a win, but I doubt it will lose WB any money. It might actually get some profit with home media and TV.  

 

The A- Cinemascores paying off in spades!

[DeeCee]

I have to wait until February to see that NASA movie. 

[junkshop36]

Maybe it's just me but that seems like some fairly crappy drops for both RO and Sing. 

 

I looked back at the second weekends of January for last few years and most everything dropped in the 30s and 40s percent wise. Hopefully the weather had some affect on that and they'll rebound a little this week. 

[misafeco]

32 minutes ago, grey ghost said:

 

They let in millions of decent men, women and children who became productive members of society.

 

A few idiotic terrorists don't erase the millions of good people who improved their new countries.

 

There are plenty of studies that prove that immigrants help their new countries more than hurt them.

 

The pro-Brexit and pro-Trump pundits lied compulsively to scare average people and convince them that a small segment of the population who are recent immigrants were the source of all their problems. 

 

But lets ignore the scientists, the academics, the journalists, the intelligence agencies, the intellectuals, etc. All the people who do massive research for a living and believe an orange clown who fails any moderate scrutiny or fact checking cause his political incorrectness is so "refreshing". 

The rising of terrorism in Europe is connected to the past years' migration. The EU handling of this wave is problematic at best. I'm all for helping war refugees but the majority of these migrants are only here for economic reasons. And of course there are many terrorists among them. The safety of the European citizens should be more important than any of these people's right for a better life. No one asked the people of Europe if they want millions of people from third world countries or not. Why is anyone surprised that the far right is gaining popularity?

[grey ghost]

30 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

 

Because if someone who isn't a minority has no interest to watch a minority movie, there's always someone who lashes out at them. Nice for HF but I don't care for the story. Not gonna root against it but won't contribute to the boxoffice either because I don't relate and simply am not interested. I think that some posters think that everyone here is an American and has to care about American race politics and that's not the case. Sorry if that sounds harsh but I'm not an American, I don't care for American history and race relations, I don't clamor for more black or other PoC Hollywood movies (I'll see Black Panther cause Marvel but that's it). I'm not against them but I won't watch them cause their problems, culture, etc don't interest me and many times I can't understand half of slang they use in those movies to make them authentic and some shit. Say what you will about white movies but they are generic and as such understandable and relatable to everyone. Frozen is much more relatable and understandable than Hawaii thing in Moana. Like, good on you if you care but don't expect everyone to give a crap. 

 

White movies are more relatable and understandable?

 

You do realize people of color empathize with white protagonists ALL THE TIME, right?

 

Why limit the stories you can enjoy simply because the hero has a different eye/hair/skin color.

 

Do you rule out American movies because you're not American? You probably have more in common with a few non-whites from your country than certain whites in America. 

 

 

Edited January 8, 2017 by grey ghost

[JonathanLB]

1 minute ago, junkshop36 said:

Maybe it's just me but that seems like some fairly crappy drops for both RO and Sing. 

 

I looked back at the second weekends of January for last few years and most everything dropped in the 30s and 40s percent wise. Hopefully the weather had some affect on that and they'll rebound a little this week. 

 

Garbage. You can spin drops all sorts of ways but there's nothing pretty about those drops. I honestly thought Rogue One $30M and still thought a chance Sing could win the weekend. But I did the same thing with TFA.

 

Next time around I'm predicting a 60% drop for Episode VIII this time next year so I'm not bummed when it "only" falls 54%. This weekend and month in general is a pile of crap at the box office. Holidays end and nobody shows up anymore.

[terrestrial]

48 minutes ago, Telemachos said:

Heck, think back to the early 80s. For you young 'uns, imagine how you're feeling about LA LA LAND's expansion -- checking every week to see if it's coming to your town (or nearby). Then rushing to see it when it does. That's what every large movie was like -- although by the time of JEDI releases were getting wide enough that it wasn't too difficult to find a theater. 

 

We had to buy a certain weekday newspaper and look into the cinema adds to find out what will be screened, no hints on how long... No possibility to reserve or buy tickets early, meant long drives in the hope to get tickets. People living country-side usually never went during OW

 

11 minutes ago, DamienRoc said:

Somewhat oddly, while Jedi was the first movie I remember seeing in the theater, so I shouldn't have had an issue finding a movie, I grew up on military bases, so the only movie option was the base theater, which usually had one screen, and had to cycle through things to get to all releases. So I may have ended up waiting on things regardless. (Though I was young enough that I didn't really know or care.)

 

see above.

 

Sometimes a movie discussion specialised TV-series thing recommended a certain film, that never got released in any cinema we could get information about.

 

4 minutes ago, DeeCee said:

I have to wait until February to see that NASA movie. 

 

Me too

 

2 minutes ago, grey ghost said:

White movies are more relatable and understandable.

You do realize people of color empathize with white protagonist constantly, right?

Why limit the stories you can enjoy simply because the hero has a different eye/hair/skin color.

Do you rule out American movies because you're not American? You probably have more in common with a few non-whites from your country than certain whites in America. 

He thinks Finn is unpopular and wants to get his role reduced based on that - as a kind of 'recommendation' for SW 8. He so has no idea what others say and think about Finn (I know what my pupils say at least), not saying that all other people are fans of him, but as general as he thinks - definitively not correct.

[Brainiac5]

22 minutes ago, James said:

Funny thing, I'm looking at Collateral Beauty and all the flack it received. Considering it still has Germany, Japan and Brazil on the way and it is still making money from the other markets, i will likely close to 100m WW. Not a win, but I doubt it will lose WB any money. It might actually get some profit with home media and TV.  

It has had pretty good legs for its opening.

Plus it still has China I believe.

 

Edited January 8, 2017 by Brainiac5

[grey ghost]

8 minutes ago, misafeco said:

The rising of terrorism in Europe is connected to the past years' migration. The EU handling of this wave is problematic at best. I'm all for helping war refugees but the majority of these migrants are only here for economic reasons. And of course there are many terrorists among them. The safety of the European citizens should be more important than any of these people's right for a better life. No one asked the people of Europe if they want millions of people from third world countries or not. Why is anyone surprised that the far right is gaining popularity?

 

What if someone said you and millions of other innocent people should be deported simply because you had the same eye color or religion as a few terrorist?

 

Would that be fair?

 

 

[terrestrial]

Gitesh Pandya ‏@GiteshPandya  21 minutes ago

Americans of all backgrounds are coming out for #HiddenFigures. Audience breakdown: 43% white, 37% black, 13% Latino, 7% Asian & "other".

[aabattery]

Hidden Figures and Manchester by the Sea both come out on the 26th of January here. Should be a good day at the cinema.

[Brainiac5]

21 minutes ago, MrPink said:

 

The A- Cinemascores paying off in spades!

A well deserved A-

[Valonqar]

21 minutes ago, grey ghost said:

 

White movies are more relatable and understandable?

 

You do realize people of color empathize with white protagonists ALL THE TIME, right?

 

Why limit the stories you can enjoy simply because the hero has a different eye/hair/skin color.

 

Do you rule out American movies because you're not American? You probably have more in common with a few non-whites from your country than certain whites in America. 

 

 

 

They are not more relatable because they have white leads but because they created a generic "anyone can project themselves into" type of characters. In short, they are neutral. There's nothing culturally specific about most of those big blockbuster heroes. They all have generic Anglo-Irish names, are vaguely Christian but rarely explicitly, they all speak in a TV host accent (understandable to everyone though no locals anywhere speak like that), they don't have a culturally specific background, their personal woes are garden variety of "someone killed _____(loved one)" or "_____(loved one died, hero blames himself)". Will Smith is that type of a character in his biggest movies. He isn't white but he plays a typical "white" character. Neutral. Anyone can project themselves into the character. 

 

OTOH, movies that insist on some cultural specific that is incomprehensible to non-members of the culture poses a barrier. I'll give you an example. I watched some dance movie that happens in an African American college. I didn't understand what the rules were, what the whole thing was about. I think it was Stomp the Yard but can't be sure. There were some complicated rules that those who made the movie assumed the audience is familiar with so they didn't explain anything and I didn't know WTF was going on, who was winning and why. OTOH, I understood everything in Step Up even though I have no dance education. 

 

My point is, I've no problem with minority-headlined movies that are "neutral" or "generic" but can't follow stuff that's specific for the culture and clearly made for members of the said culture. 

Edited January 8, 2017 by Valonqar