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ban1o Blockbuster

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Ugh 

54 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

 

They are not more relatable because they have white leads but because they created a generic "anyone can project themselves into" type of characters. In short, they are neutral. There's nothing culturally specific about most of those big blockbuster heroes. They all have generic Anglo-Irish names, are vaguely Christian but rarely explicitly, they all speak in a TV host accent (understandable to everyone though no locals anywhere speak like that), they don't have a culturally specific background, their personal woes are garden variety of "someone killed _____(loved one)" or "_____(loved one died, hero blames himself)". Will Smith is that type of a character in his biggest movies. He isn't white but he plays a typical "white" character. Neutral. Anyone can project themselves into the character. 

 

OTOH, movies that insist on some cultural specific that is incomprehensible to non-members of the culture poses a barrier. I'll give you an example. I watched some dance movie that happens in an African American college. I didn't understand what the rules were, what the whole thing was about. I think it was Stomp the Yard but can't be sure. There were some complicated rules that those who made the movie assumed the audience is familiar with so they didn't explain anything and I didn't know WTF was going on, who was winning and why. OTOH, I understood everything in Step Up even though I have no dance education. 

 

My point is, I've no problem with minority-headlined movies that are "neutral" or "generic" but can't follow stuff that's specific for the culture and clearly made for members of the said culture. 

[mod edit]. What the fuck does "neutral and generic" even mean. Black people have different experiences than white people. There's nothign wrong with a movie acknowledging that. On the other hand "race neutral" roles 99% of the time go to white actors in hollywood. 

 

Anyway you said 12 years a slave was torture porn so anything you say is invalid. 

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Friday the 13th got it almost as bad.  It had an 80 PERCENT second weekend drop.  Yikes...

That one is a little more understandable, given that it opened on the 13th and on a holiday weekend. Still, franchise horror is ridiculously front-loaded.

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People who say they are "white people are evil" movies just have some weird guilt complex. These movies clearly show some of the characters as kind, good people and some are not. They seem well balanced. To be honest I'm not thinking about anything personal when I watch a movie that depicts racism, I'm not thinking "I feel guilty being white" because that's just weird, I am not responsible for everything a white person has ever done lol. I am usually thinking as a human though, if I could reach through the screen and shove a cattle prod right up this racist fuckhead's ass, I would do it! Scenes like that just make me angry and disgusted (I'm sure that's the intended reaction! Lol) and make me want revenge for our protagonist. It's really no different than any other injustice in that you can understand it as a human; it's not just a race thing. 

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One of the many reasons I am so very much against so early HV releases....

 

Times have changed dramatically now though.

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Ugh 

[mod edit]. What the fuck does "neutral and generic" even mean. Black people have different experiences than white people. There's nothign wrong with a movie acknowledging that. On the other hand "race neutral" roles 99% of the time go to white actors in hollywood. 

 

Anyway you said 12 years a slave was torture porn so anything you say is invalid. 

 

Did I ever say there's something wrong? No. Did I ever say they should not make those movies? No. I've just said that I'm not interested to watch them. Movies are not cheap so I put my money into what interests me. Also, just because it isn't PC to say that one doesn't have interest in those movies, it doesn't mean that there is no audience that isn't interested. I could have said nothing and just continued to ignore those movie's existence and shrug when someone starts wondering aloud why those movies don't make as much money as comparable movies with the mainstream cast. Moreover, in many countries it is not un-PC to say that you are not interested in those movies. In fact, they rarely get them cause there's no interest whatsoever. 

 

If Hollywood wants to make movies only for America and not for the world, that's fine. But they can't force onto foreign markets something that foreign markets aren't interested in. Some movies will fly overseas and some will not. They should make diverse movies but don't expect the same big boxoffice for all of them and don't throw "racist" and "bigot" accusations at the audience.

 

You don't want to see this from any other perspective, that's fine. But reality is that I'm not the only one who feels this way. I'm just not afraid to say it out loud. But yes, many people think the same and walk the walk, they just don't talk the talk. 

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1 minute ago, Valonqar said:

 

Did I ever say there's something wrong? No. Did I ever say they should not make those movies? No. I've just said that I'm not interested to watch them. Movies are not cheap so I put my money into what interests me. Also, just because it isn't PC to say that one doesn't have interest in those movies, it doesn't mean that there is no audience that isn't interested. I could have said nothing and just continued to ignore those movie's existence and shrug when someone starts wondering aloud why those movies don't make as much money as comparable movies with the mainstream cast. Moreover, in many countries it is not un-PC to say that you are not interested in those movies. In fact, they rarely get them cause there's no interest whatsoever. 

 

If Hollywood wants to make movies only for America and not for the world, that's fine. But they can't force onto foreign markets something that foreign markets aren't interested in. Some movies will fly overseas and some will not. They should make diverse movies but don't expect the same big boxoffice for all of them and don't throw "racist" and "bigot" accusations at the audience.

 

You don't want to see this from any other perspective, that's fine. But reality is that I'm not the only one who feels this way. I'm just not afraid to say it out loud. But yes, many people think the same and walk the walk, they just don't talk the talk. 

 

I understand what you're saying in that America's space race and the struggle of women within NASA may not interest you but it's the WAY you said it, I think, that people take issue with.

 

When you make a movie into "that kind of movie" you're basically saying here, I'm putting this movie into this hole, and it's about "those people" and I'm not one of those people so I won't understand or like it. Well, im not a black woman, but I am a human being and the inspirational story of people achieving greatness amidst adversity is universal. The situations may change but the core story doesn't. I don't live in Rome and I don't live thousands of years ago but I felt human emotions for Maximus in Gladiator and wanted him to get revenge for his family. It's not like I said well I'm not Italian or European so I really can't relate to him. Yeah those crazy Europeans, always getting all bent out of shape when their family is murdered. They can show us those stories in America all they want but don't be surprised when we don't "get it." Hell most of us would breathe a sigh of relief if our families were wiped out in brutal fashion! Lol see what I am saying? People are just saying you're making it into that this movie doesn't have anything for people who aren't black American women but that's simply not true.

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9 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

 

Did I ever say there's something wrong? No. Did I ever say they should not make those movies? No. I've just said that I'm not interested to watch them. Movies are not cheap so I put my money into what interests me. Also, just because it isn't PC to say that one doesn't have interest in those movies, it doesn't mean that there is no audience that isn't interested. I could have said nothing and just continued to ignore those movie's existence and shrug when someone starts wondering aloud why those movies don't make as much money as comparable movies with the mainstream cast. Moreover, in many countries it is not un-PC to say that you are not interested in those movies. In fact, they rarely get them cause there's no interest whatsoever. 

 

If Hollywood wants to make movies only for America and not for the world, that's fine. But they can't force onto foreign markets something that foreign markets aren't interested in. Some movies will fly overseas and some will not. They should make diverse movies but don't expect the same big boxoffice for all of them and don't throw "racist" and "bigot" accusations at the audience.

 

You don't want to see this from any other perspective, that's fine. But reality is that I'm not the only one who feels this way. I'm just not afraid to say it out loud. But yes, many people think the same and walk the walk, they just don't talk the talk. 

I'm not going to argue with you because you seem to be beyond arguing with but there's so much bullshit with what you said. 

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Well I'm about to see the movie about terrorists blowing up a government building and stealing architectural plans for further terrorist acts. It's a sad movie with a lot of officers of peace dying in the name of security and safety for all but it has a mostly happy ending where all of the terrorists are killed or captured to await their sentencing. I think the producers just wanted to set it up for a sequel though because they introduce some other leader of the terrorist cell at the end who gets the plans for yet another incident of mass murder. Quite a plot twist there because I was so stoked watching Vader bring these murderous thugs to justice and then at the last they escape! I just hope in the next movie Darth Vader returns to stop the terrorists once and for all but I have a feeling with box office grosses as they were we're going to get more and more of these movies. 

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2 minutes ago, JonathanLB said:

Well I'm about to see the movie about terrorists blowing up a government building and stealing architectural plans for further terrorist acts. It's a sad movie with a lot of officers of peace dying in the name of security and safety for all but it has a mostly happy ending where all of the terrorists are killed or captured to await their sentencing. I think the producers just wanted to set it up for a sequel though because they introduce some other leader of the terrorist cell at the end who gets the plans for yet another incident of mass murder. Quite a plot twist there because I was so stoked watching Vader bring these murderous thugs to justice and then at the last they escape! I just hope in the next movie Darth Vader returns to stop the terrorists once and for all but I have a feeling with box office grosses as they were we're going to get more and more of these movies. 

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