HAN SOLO MEMORIAL (day weekend) THREAD | Solo Flops Domestically with 83M/101M weekend. Spectacularly Bombs Overseas with 65M weekend.

[Lordmandeep]

I think the number one mistake a lot of the traditional media and a lot of users made on this website is they kept believing in this idea that Youtubers and Fanboys who endlessly complained ( ) about this movie had no influence on the word of mouth and reception to the TLJ. 

 

I know a ton of people who watched TLJ and found it okay or even pretty good but once they watched a Youtube Video about TLJ (and before you dismiss them, you have to realize these videos have hundreds of thousands or even millions of views) or read a blog post or heard their SW fan who is a friend or family member endlessly complain about it, they sort of changed their minds...

 

I started to hear the common complaints 
"why didn't Holdo  tell Poe the Plan"

"Casino Planet was lame"

"Leia scene was awful"

(insert a billion complaints about Luke)

 

These are not complaints I think casual SW fans would have but they heard about them.

 

For example when I first watched TLJ, I did not have an issue with Luke but when I heard others or watched a video I changed my mind because I sort of did not buy Luke could have changed that much in 30 years.

 

That is all very very very very subjective and as a result, that is why TLJ is a divisive film and will likely always remain one. 

 

 

I know people like the movie a lot and as a result, people can choose to dislike the movie as well. 

 

 

Edited May 28, 2018 by Lordmandeep

[filmscholar]

Terrible opening, IMO for Star Wars Standards, no way to spin it.  That's a pretty bad freefall from different tracking out there, no where near Pirates 3 numbers.  Matter fact looking like under HOII numbers for Memorial Day.  Still Top 10 All Time but should of done better than that.  Ironically it's about where "Clones" was after it's first 3 Days.  I felt this was probably the toughest sell all along. Look, Star Wars is a unique franchise.  I don't think you can really do 2 films a year with this franchise.  The fanbase kinda needs that breather between films.  George established this.  "Solo" was hit by the perfect storm of circumstances including a pretty crowded Memorial Day Competition.  Though I felt everything could co-exist, that doesn't mean competition doesn't hurt each other.   DP2 dropped hard because of it.  IW held pretty well I must say this weekend.  We all knew that the Spin Offs would do less than the Episodes but then "Rogue One" kind of shattered that putting up Episode-Like numbers. 

 

"Solo" Brings the Anthology films back down to Earth.   They should be more manageable budgeted films and not the same as the Episodes.   The film was good, I enjoyed it but again I knew this was going to be the hardest sell mainly because of how Iconic Harrison is as a person.  Was there some Polarization from TLJ?  Sure but it wasn't the determining factor but a movie 6 months later didn't help.  Star Wars isn't like Marvel in that way.  From the very beginning I never agreed with to many Star Wars films being release back to back but I gave it a shot.  Now we got 4 and I'm like, nope they need to have a nice gap between movies.  Star Wars is a franchise where fans anticipate each film after waiting for several years since the last one.  That made every single film an event.  "Solo" might of been the first Star Wars movie that wasn't really an Event because we just had the Event 6 months ago with TLJ.  Also I was clearly wrong because some of you were telling me that it should "Move it to Dec, there's no Comp"  and you guys were right for sure. 

 

I don't fault them for trying to move back to the summer but it was too soon after TLJ.   People are still processing their feelings from the last film.   This is what George understood.  I was upset after "Clones" but I had 3 years to reconcile my feelings before "Sith" made me very happy man.   Star Wars needs breathing room.  Id say 2 year gap or a bare minimum Year and 1/2 gap but definitely not under a year like they just did.  So this was a tough lesson for them to learn that 4 Star Wars movies in 2 1/2 years can cause some fatigue in the franchise.   Thankfully Episode IX is 19 Months away and they have time to regroup and finish this Trilogy with a Bang.  It was an amazing achievement by Kathleen to get that many Star Wars movies done and the numbers overall are fantastic will hit over 4.5 Billion even after "Solo" numbers.    Going forward just make sure there's space and time for the fans to anticapte the next film.  

Edited May 28, 2018 by filmscholar

[Tyrian]

On the theforce.net (Star wars) forums right now, half the fanbase think its 'obvious' that TLJ was a huge and negative factor contributing to Solos unfolding failure. The other half is saying TLJ had no impact.

 

https://imgur.com/Z2yBmtH

Edited May 28, 2018 by Tyrian

[Lordmandeep]

2 minutes ago, Tyrian said:

On the theforce.net (Star wars) forums right now, half the fanbase think its 'obvous' TLJ was a huge and negative factor contributing to Solos unfolding failure. The other half is saying TLJ had no impact.

 

https://imgur.com/Z2yBmtH

 

 

TLJ is so polarizing we cant agree if its polarizing 

 

Looks like we have 18 months of endless arguments before the issue is settled lol 

Edited May 28, 2018 by Lordmandeep

[GirafficPark]

2 minutes ago, Tyrian said:

On the theforce.net (Star wars) forums right now, half the fanbase think its 'obvous' TLJ was a huge and negative factor contributing to Solos unfolding failure. The other half is saying TLJ had no impact.

 

https://imgur.com/Z2yBmtH

As with most things, the reality is somewhere in the middle. It was a factor sure, buy not the primary cause.

Edited May 28, 2018 by GirafficPark

[Valonqar]

You can tell by mixed bag marketing that they knew this was a bust. Lets look at all the red flags:

 

Building the hype for Solo around Solo's co-star cause he had a hit song

 

Hiding the said Solo in first previews

 

Paying Harrison "I don't care for Solo movie" Ford to "surprise" Alden on the talk show (and steal the show from him lol)

 

Pansexual Lando announcement 

 

Claiming that Solo pre-sales were beating BP pre-sales despite many shows not even close to being sold out (as many of our posters proved with screen caps and reports) 

 

Announcement that more spin-offs set in the same era are in the works a day or two before the movie's opening which distracted attention (who the fuck does that?) 

 

MESS

 

 

[Darth Lehnsherr]

Well at least there's a clear result for what happened to Solo this weekend. I was fearing that it was gonna land in that murky area where people would have argued back and forth whether the Opening Weekend was good or not for 300 Pages. Feel bad for the production team involved but alot of the mess was self inflicted by Disney and Lucasfilm. 

 

EDIT: @Valonqar Tbf it was the Hollywood Reporter and not Lucasfilm that did the report because usually Lucasfilm would try to make the announcements themselves like with Lord and Miller, Rian Johnson new trilogy, Benioff and Weiss and Jon Favreau. 

 

This is more in line with the Obi-Wan film reports. 

Edited May 28, 2018 by Darth Lehnsherr

[Valonqar]

2 minutes ago, Darth Lehnsherr said:

Well at least there's a clear result for what happened to Solo this weekend. I was fearing that it was gonna land in that murky area where people would have argued back and forth whether the Opening Weekend was good or not for 300 Pages. Feel bad for the production team involved but alot of the mess was self inflicted by Disney and Lucasfilm. 

Edited May 28, 2018 by Valonqar

[nevermore]

3 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

You can tell by mixed bag marketing that they knew this was a bust. Lets look at all the red flags:

 

Building the hype for Solo around Solo's co-star cause he had a hit song

 

Hiding the said Solo in first previews

 

Paying Harrison "I don't care for Solo movie" Ford to "surprise" Alden on the talk show (and steal the show from him lol)

 

Pansexual Lando announcement 

 

Claiming that Solo pre-sales were beating BP pre-sales despite many shows not even close to being sold out (as many of our posters proved with screen caps and reports) 

 

Announcement that more spin-offs set in the same era are in the works a day or two before the movie's opening which distracted attention (who the fuck does that?) 

 

MESS

 

 

Well Solo did beat BP's pre-sales, but only for the first 24 hours. Doesn't really mean much.

[RascarCapat]

9 minutes ago, GirafficPark said:

As with most things, the reality is somewhere in the middle. It was a factor sure, buy not the primary cause.

 

Well, yes but it could be middle greyish white or middle greyish black.

 

I don't know if it is the primary cause but it is definitly an important one.

 

Some of my friends were so disapointed with TLJ (even though they like RO) that they are waiting for the VOD release even though I insisted that they should give it a try.

 

Yeah, of course my example is not a generality but nevertheless their reasons is that they did not like TLJ (they actually hated it) and don't trust Lucasfilm to make Star Wars anymore.

[baumer]

4 hours ago, Darth Lehnsherr said:

Wise words by George Lucas

 

 

Truly incredible.  I've never seen this video before.  The Mo Cap stuff is fascinating to watch.  What a weird process film making is today.  

 

Thanks for posting this.  

[lab276]

I suppose the silver lining is that there won't be another Star Wars film until next, next December, which is ages away. I'm feeling the distance already.

[Valonqar]

2 minutes ago, nevermore said:

Well Solo did beat BP's pre-sales, but only for the first 24 hours. Doesn't really mean much.

Turned out, it didn't mean anything. Who wanted to see it, bought tickets in the first 24 hrs and that was the end of it. 

[Darth Lehnsherr]

2 minutes ago, baumer said:

 

Truly incredible.  I've never seen this video before.  The Mo Cap stuff is fascinating to watch.  What a weird process film making is today.  

 

Thanks for posting this.  

It's a superb documentary and I love how it doesn't shy away from when Lucas makes mistakes or has doubts on the production. 

[Valonqar]

8 minutes ago, Darth Lehnsherr said:

Well at least there's a clear result for what happened to Solo this weekend. I was fearing that it was gonna land in that murky area where people would have argued back and forth whether the Opening Weekend was good or not for 300 Pages. Feel bad for the production team involved but alot of the mess was self inflicted by Disney and Lucasfilm. 

 

EDIT: @Valonqar Tbf it was the Hollywood Reporter and not Lucasfilm that did the report because usually Lucasfilm would try to make the announcements themselves like with Lord and Miller, Rian Johnson new trilogy, Benioff and Weiss and Jon Favreau. 

 

This is more in line with the Obi-Wan film reports. 

I see. Thanks! 

[Captain Craig]

I've not seen Solo yet but am still surprised at this, it's like Justice League all over again.

It should be huge, how did it manage to get to this state?

 

My own Memorial Weekend just hasn't allowed for time to see it. 

 

I don't buy TLJ theory as factor. It's like saying Civil War came in low so expect Infinity War to not reach expectations.

 

I think Disney has managed to oversaturate Star Wars, using only nostalgia, in a way no one saw coming.

The CBM don't have that yet. Post Avengers 4, depending on what they do the burnout could happen. 

Potter didn't burnout cause the films were all first time fresh, even though they were coming out so close.

 

Star Wars must move away from the Skywalkers and that supporting cast AND be spaced more so as to allow once again for a sense of "event". The saga has lost that.

[baumer]

3 hours ago, Darth Lehnsherr said:

It's a superb documentary and I love how it doesn't shy away from when Lucas makes mistakes or has doubts on the production. 

 

"We'll never beat Titanic.  We just won't.  It's one of those things that comes along once in a life time."

 

Smart man.

[aabattery]

Director and the Jedi is pretty great too. Doesn't go in quite as hard as the prequel docos but still gives some really interesting insight into how these movies are put together.

 

Plus Tele's (⚰️) friend edited it.

[lab276]

4 minutes ago, baumer said:

 

Truly incredible.  I've never seen this video before.  The Mo Cap stuff is fascinating to watch.  What a weird process film making is today.  

 

Thanks for posting this.  

 

Oh gosh, back when we first got the SW movies on DVD, after ROTS came out I devoured the making of features. Multiple times even. They are really good and really comprehensive. You've probably seen Empire of Dreams, but if you haven't, you absolutely need to.

[Thrylos 7]

4 minutes ago, Captain Craig said:

I've not seen Solo yet but am still surprised at this, it's like Justice League all over again.

It should be huge, how did it manage to get to this state?

 

My own Memorial Weekend just hasn't allowed for time to see it. 

 

I don't buy TLJ theory as factor. It's like saying Civil War came in low so expect Infinity War to not reach expectations.

 

I think Disney has managed to oversaturate Star Wars, using only nostalgia, in a way no one saw coming.

The CBM don't have that yet. Post Avengers 4, depending on what they do the burnout could happen. 

Potter didn't burnout cause the films were all first time fresh, even though they were coming out so close.

 

Star Wars must move away from the Skywalkers and that supporting cast AND be spaced more so as to allow once again for a sense of "event". The saga has lost that.

Civil war and TLJ are not the same thing.